Should Military Recognize State Concealed Carry Licenses

[Stan]

Actually the point of a broadhead can due severe injury and a well tuned bow is nearly silent.

And much like an old and wise NCO told Tom "(a machete) doesn't click on empty"

Are their more people in both professions who don't act that way? Sure. Most do not -- but there are some that do.

Some are smug in their own ability to have or handle weapons but most aren't so it's complex. Regardless, the attitude existed long before Bill Clinton went to High School and when the NRA had well less than a million members.

The fact that it won't happen is pretty much a given. That some in the services and LE do not think any civilian should have a weapon and some who disapprove of CCW is also a fact. Unlike the first fact, it isn't terribly relevant. It's just a comment on human factors.

Ken,
I was referring to perhaps the worst stage (of over abusing the use of Anti and Pro Second Amendment) of the Clinton and NRA era together under the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act. As I said, I'm an NRA life member and have a nice collection of practical firearms in addition to having had concealed permits. What I don't take stock in is the empty and ludicrous use of "Second Amendment" to support or destroy an argument that is far more complex.

Because most of us herein are military and/or law enforcement, and the subject has more to do with what happens on a military base, I take our opinions and concerns much more seriously. Much more per se than someone arguing for or against gun ownership, standing on the Second Amendment soap box, in a heated political debate without ever having fired a weapon

[Copperhead]

As I said, I'm an NRA life member and have a nice collection of practical firearms in addition to having had concealed permits. What I don't take stock in is the empty and ludicrous use of "Second Amendment" to support or destroy an argument that is far more complex.

Because most of us herein are military and/or law enforcement, and the subject has more to do with what happens on a military base, I take our opinions and concerns much more seriously. Much more per se than someone arguing for or against gun ownership, standing on the Second Amendment soap box, in a heated political debate without ever having fired a weapon

I, too, am a combat veteran, lifelong shooter, own and carry guns and I am an NRA member as well.

So what?

Chuck Schumer and Diane Feinstein own guns and have permits to carry concealed…’nuff said.

The way you simply dismiss the 2A/RKBA argument is far more telling when it comes to your credibility regarding the issue of gun ownership; whether on post or elsewhere. Furthermore, being military or law enforcement doesn’t make any of us all that special…where I live you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting someone who is either current or prior military/LE. It doesn’t make me (or you) any more or less qualified to comment on this thread.

Back to original point of this thread…

The two points I made in my earlier post were that I was frustrated with the notion that we can’t trust soldiers to handle weapons safely and with the surprising number of military and LE personnel (albeit a minority) who are opposed to the idea of the right to own and carry guns as an individual right but rather as something that should only belong to a protected class of citizens of which they are always a part.

I also notice a certain inconsistency in the argument that on the one hand “we (military/LE) are special” while on the other hand “stupid privates” can’t be trusted not to shoot themselves or others in a drunken orgy of destruction in the barracks on any given day; as if “stupid privates” are even LESS qualified to own and carry firearms than their civilian counterparts. Which one is it?

Finally, I am very uncomfortable with this tendency to lump military and law enforcement personnel together. We are very, very different. The fact that many in LE are former military does not change this.

[Stan]

Copperhead,
Thanks for a better detailed post than your previous !

I, too, am a combat veteran, lifelong shooter, own and carry guns and I am an NRA member as well.

So what?

Good point, similar to my distaste with flying the Second Amendment flag vs stating something of substance.

Chuck Schumer and Diane Feinstein own guns and have permits to carry concealed…’nuff said.

Don't know them personally, have no real desire to listen to politicians who purport to hold both the NRA card and spout...could care less too.

The way you simply dismiss the 2A/RKBA argument is far more telling when it comes to your credibility regarding the issue of gun ownership; whether on post or elsewhere. Furthermore, being military or law enforcement doesn’t make any of us all that special…where I live you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting someone who is either current or prior military/LE. It doesn’t make me (or you) any more or less qualified to comment on this thread.

Perhaps you consider my posts to be a dismissal of the Second Amendment where I try not to mask things and hop on that soap box. I'm of the opinion that it is little more than a crutch vs stating and backing up one's opinion with facts. Because this current thread concerns concealed carry on a military installation vis-à-vis what is permitted off-base in Texas, who else would be more qualified to discuss the subject ?

Back to original point of this thread…

The two points I made in my earlier post were that I was frustrated with the notion that we can’t trust soldiers to handle weapons safely and with the surprising number of military and LE personnel (albeit a minority) who are opposed to the idea of the right to own and carry guns as an individual right but rather as something that should only belong to a protected class of citizens of which they are always a part.

Who else should then be making this relatively significant decision? Yet another politician instead of the military that have to live with what comes next. I think those that are opposed to the idea have been up front with why.

I also notice a certain inconsistency in the argument that on the one hand “we (military/LE) are special” while on the other hand “stupid privates” can’t be trusted not to shoot themselves or others in a drunken orgy of destruction in the barracks on any given day; as if “stupid privates” are even LESS qualified to own and carry firearms than their civilian counterparts. Which one is it?

I think I made it quite clear that most of the nut cases were not stupid privates. In fact, I argued that rank and age was not nearly enough to gauge responsible firearms use.

Finally, I am very uncomfortable with this tendency to lump military and law enforcement personnel together. We are very, very different. The fact that many in LE are former military does not change this.

We are different. But, I don't know anyone else that has sufficient background on concealed carry on a military installation and I could care less what Chuck thinks.

[slapout9]

Don't know them personally, have no real desire to listen to politicians who purport to hold both the NRA card and spout...could care less too.

Stan, you don't want to know these people, they eat Tofu and other stuff, they might even be.............Zombies

[Stan]

Stan, you don't want to know these people, they eat Tofu and other stuff, they might even be.............Zombies

And they are active members of the NRA with gun permits

Just googled Diane (really had no clue who she is). Jeez, she was hot back in the day

[Copperhead]

And they are active members of the NRA with gun permits

Stan, just to be clear, I never said they were NRA members...in fact, quite the opposite.

[Stan]

Stan, just to be clear, I never said they were NRA members...in fact, quite the opposite.

Sorry, but it was not a hit on you in any way shape or form.

When you get to know Slap (and me) a little better, you'll understand

We can always disagree. It's that, or the next thread we post together in will be real short... But we'll all be happy

Regards, Stan