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    Quote Originally Posted by carl View Post
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    information is posted that Gen. Ham wanted to go and was going to send forces despite the word from above and was relieved just seconds after telling people to act.

    You have no idea how much I hope that is true.(...)
    You do seem to vastly under-appreciate the benefits of civilian control over the military.
    It's human and thus not perfect, but orders of magnitude better than a military not under strict civilian control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuchs View Post
    You do seem to vastly under-appreciate the benefits of civilian control over the military.
    It's human and thus not perfect, but orders of magnitude better than a military not under strict civilian control.
    No not at all. That is not what would have (or will) buoyed me up. The hopeful thing is that somebody may have proved himself willing to do the right thing in spite of the personal cost. It was the actions of the man, not the legality of the relief. I would be happier if they had to relieve all the multi-stars in the room to get the job done and then find one in the building down the road (Guess what Chief of European Dental Command, you have a new job.), but like I said, I'll take what I can get.

    It is the evidence of some strong moral character existing among the multi-stars that would be the good thing.

    But then maybe none of this is true. If it is true, what a black mark upon the Americans, a general relieved in this circumstance.
    "We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again." Gen. Nathanael Greene

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuchs View Post
    You do seem to vastly under-appreciate the benefits of civilian control over the military.
    It's human and thus not perfect, but orders of magnitude better than a military not under strict civilian control.
    Not sure I agree fully... but can see where you, as a German, are coming from .
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