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    What follows is based on this article (HTML and PDF), lots of research and more time than I like to think about wandering around in the boonies, wondering where the heck I was.
    Kilcullen has a similar article posted around these parts that addresses the phenomena of smaller assault units and larger suppressive elements in an attack, especially urban.

    A group this size is capable of maneuver, suppression and assault, while being able to communicate and lay down relatively heavy fire support in the short term, pending a call for proper artillery.

    At the same time, this squad is able to absorb casualties and still function effectively, since it would have to take c.60% casualties to seriously cut into its ability.
    It's interesting that you say that, because I'd betcha that once you build to a certain size and decide that it is appropriate for a set task, it won't be able to operate at that level of efficiency once you start taking casualties...because you have all of those 20 men tasked out. This is just another way of saying that a 13-man squad could have performed the same task, IMO.

    The size also adds to the security and policing mission, by having more "boots on the ground" for presence.
    This is another interesting statement. I understand where you are trying to go with this, but "presence patrolling" is not a tactical task. If you need a factor of twenty-something infantrymen, just employ two 13-man squads and retain a third in QRF role, for rearm-refit, etc.

    3. Three of these squads to a company, plus a full sniper platoon of 20 (8x2-man teams, plus PltLdr, PltSgt, 2xRTO), and a 20-man HQ Platoon (including a 10-man mortar section).

    4. Seven of these companies to a battalion, plus HQ, Support (MT/Maint/Supply) and Weapons companies of 100 each.

    This battalion organization puts seven maneuver elements in the field, vs the three we typically have, now.
    Why get stuck on companies as the lowest unit capable of maneuver? The tripod of maneuver elements exists because time and studies have proven that the number three is at the upper limit of what a leader can exercise command and control over. Sure, the study needs to be updated with consideration to the tools we currently use for command and control, but we'd still be pretty hard pressed to find that the planning factor has become irrelevant.

    And snipers organzied at the company-level. Ugh...No way jose, methinks. We have a hard enough time effectively employing them at the battalion level as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcustis View Post
    This is another interesting statement. I understand where you are trying to go with this, but "presence patrolling" is not a tactical task...
    It's also indicative of a potential danger -- organizing a multi purpose force while focusing on one type of warfare rather than on generic war.One has to organize for MCO because that's the hard nut; then one has to adapt -- but not permanently or in mindset -- for other missions.
    The tripod of maneuver elements exists because time and studies have proven that the number three is at the upper limit of what a leader can exercise command and control over.
    That's true but it also -- possibly even more likely -- exists because Frederick the Great organized the Prussian Army that way to force his commanders to use unbalanced and therefor less predictable tactical moves. There are studies IIRC, that posit six to eight as the ideal span of control and ten as the upper limit but that's not in combat. I agree that it could and probably be looked at but not changed without some experimentation.
    And snipers organzied at the company-level. Ugh...No way jose, methinks. We have a hard enough time effectively employing them at the battalion level as it is.
    Hmm. Without getting into TTP, I fully understand the peacetime problems (though I don't think they're significant) but you say "employment." I guess I can't understand why the Battalion is doing that or what the problem happens to be. Back in the Pleistocene, we had snipers in Rifle companies in 1 MarDiv in Korea with no problems so unless it's a control or turf issue, I'm not sure I understand the concern...

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    Ken, it is both a control and a turf issue. More on the turf side sometimes, from what I have seen firsthand.

    That's not to say that snipers haven't been integrated into ops down to platoon-level. It just takes the perfect balance of professional competence on everyone's part to do the job right without a lot of slop.

    And a lot olf the complaints I have picked up on come from the snipers themselves, who decry many (if not most) commanders as not being knowledgeable enough to employ them correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcustis View Post
    More on the turf side sometimes, from what I have seen firsthand.
    You do know that a Bn Sgt Major is a bona fide turf umpire, right? I got so tired of massaging hurt feelings it drove me to drink (Hey, any excuse... ). Good news is I still have my striped shirt.
    ...It just takes the perfect balance of professional competence on everyone's part to do the job right without a lot of slop.
    Yeah, that is too often true...
    And a lot olf the complaints I have picked up on come from the snipers themselves, who decry many (if not most) commanders as not being knowledgeable enough to employ them correctly.
    I will not say the 'T' word but, yep, I can identify with that, totally. The key, of course is to just let the sniper do his job but I know that's asking too much in most cases. Control freaks are a monumental tactical problem and the system builds 'em. I don't know how we develop the self confidence so some can just let people do their jobs.

    That was probably our big advantage in Korea; most of the Co Cdrs had been in WW II and were on their third or fourth Company, very few of 'em interfered in things unless it was necessary. Snipers were pretty much allowed to do what they wanted -- in the later stage, mid '52 on, the Co Cdrs would only get huffy about the Wpn Co 75mm Recoilless Rifles -- they'd sneak up on a ridge and pop a round or two across the valley and that backblast would bring down a hail of 122 and 152 fire; hacked off every body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infanteer View Post
    The balance comes from higher level managed readiness and a good grip on the troops:task ratio. If I know we are going to a jungle, I probably want to focus a chunk of my force on airmobility and living dismounted (or light). I use the appropriate work-up time to focus on these, while still tucking those mounted skills to the back should a more suitable venue come up in the future.
    Well OK, but that assumes good warning time. What about the "2-weeks and we were there" scenario. If you have work up time, then OK.
    What needs to be systematized, or at least more properly thought out, is the proper ratio of training with vehicles to training without vehicles and how driving-gunning-crew commanding fits into the development of an infantry soldier (in conjunction with patrolling, helo ops, crew-served weapons, urban ops and all those other good skillsets) and how we balance rifleman's duties in a vehicle (when the unit is using one) and outside of one.
    Concur, and that would great if you only had one type of vehicle, and money and time were not constrained - which they are.
    That everyone must know to drive and operate the main armament was one of the lessons that came out of UK operations in Basra. How to make that the default setting, when not deployed is problematic.
    How many rounds per year should each soldier in the platoon use to qualify with the main armament?
    How much does it cost to get all the soldiers qualified to drive on public roads?
    Does he need to qualify?
    What about training and vehicle maintenance?
    What this means in practice is Infantry BNs becoming more specialised, not more general - and there are specialist problems associated with turret crew vehicles, as opposed to pure APCs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcustis View Post
    And snipers organzied at the company-level. Ugh...No way jose, methinks. We have a hard enough time effectively employing them at the battalion level as it is.
    Seriously? What's the problem? BN Sniper platoon trains up X-number of Snipers. Snipers are attached to Platoons and companies on operations. How hard is that?

    Sniping is not a dark art and snipers are not masters of a dark art. At best they are a guy with a rifle and some training. Yes, they are very skilled, but so what? They are cheap to train and cheap to equip, compared to all other fire support assets. - and they are fire support.

    Half the problem with UK/US Sniper myth is that they are still stuck in 1917 being the Battalion ISTAR asset, with a unique skills set. This has not been true for a very long time.
    It should be no more difficult to task or employ a sniper than it is a mortar or a GPMG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William F. Owen View Post
    Seriously? What's the problem? BN Sniper platoon trains up X-number of Snipers. Snipers are attached to Platoons and companies on operations. How hard is that?

    Sniping is not a dark art and snipers are not masters of a dark art. At best they are a guy with a rifle and some training. Yes, they are very skilled, but so what? They are cheap to train and cheap to equip, compared to all other fire support assets. - and they are fire support.

    Half the problem with UK/US Sniper myth is that they are still stuck in 1917 being the Battalion ISTAR asset, with a unique skills set. This has not been true for a very long time.
    It should be no more difficult to task or employ a sniper than it is a mortar or a GPMG.

    Yes, I'm absolutely serious. Although I'll argue beside you 'till the cows come home that sniping isn't a dark art, I don't agree that it involves just "some training." Understanding scope theory is not particularly easy, and I say this as a former LCpl who was trained as a DM and had the chance to fire the M40 and Chandler rifles from the 1,000 yd line at Stone Bay, Camp Lejeune, a while back...

    And that is why I had an issue with clinkerbuilt's proposal to organize them down at the company-level. I look around at my Corps and I realize that yes, there remains a great deal of myth and self-fulfilling prophecy that comes with sniping, and right now that's part of why they do not need to be permanent fixtures and a captain's full-time responsibility in garrison, and then in any combat environment. Infantry officers are not trained in sniper employment. Intelligence officers were/are, trained in their employment, but I don't see anything to be gained by changing the paradigm and introducing more instruction at our infantry officer's course.

    We'd be better off, IMO, removing snipers from the T/O altogether, and take that structure to build DMs who could remain organic to squads with suppressed MK-12s and nothing more. Just because sniping is not a dark art, doesn't mean that snipers necessarily belong within an infantry company. I suppose I should have stated as much, as opposed to simply saying that we struggle with their effective employment at higher echelons.

    We do not fight the way we did in Korea, Vietnam, or even Desert Storm. It's a good thing that that we don't in some ways, and a shame in others. The point to it though is that although employing snipers should be an easy task, we have had our share of problems and the risk calculation inevitably gets skewed as a result when snipers die en masse.

    I like snipers in static area security roles, but with the state of optics being what it is, snipers will not hold a hegemony over magnified observation in any future battelfield. Give some experienced expert riflemen a harder hitting rifle and just call it a day, but don't heap shooter/observer training on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcustis View Post
    ...there remains a great deal of myth and self-fulfilling prophecy that comes with sniping, and right now that's part of why they do not need to be permanent fixtures and a captain's full-time responsibility in garrison,
    I know of a number of garrison training problems with Snipers and all the reasons it's difficult -- that's why sniping always dies in peacetime only to be brought back when there's a war. I'm just not sure that's a good reason to dispense with them
    ...and then in any combat environment. Infantry officers are not trained in sniper employment. Intelligence officers were/are, trained in their employment, but I don't see anything to be gained by changing the paradigm and introducing more instruction at our infantry officer's course.
    If the sniper is trained in his employment, that should be adequate unless one believes the myth that a commander has to be able to do everything all his people can do. I say myth because I've seen a lot of Commanders and not one of them ever hit that goal. Given the fact that the Corps has had Snipers back for many years, that they are / were bound to operate in a Company's AO on occasion, that lack of some rudimentary education on what a Sniper is and does is surprising -- but even lacking that, if the Sniper is trained right and has been sprinkled with Holy Water as being qualified...
    ...I suppose I should have stated as much, as opposed to simply saying that we struggle with their effective employment at higher echelons.
    I would never suggest that situations that cause hair pulling are generally a result of a higher echelon than needed being involved in a simple, everyday task. Never.
    We do not fight the way we did in Korea, Vietnam, or even Desert Storm.
    True and also no clue what the next fight will be like...
    Give some experienced expert riflemen a harder hitting rifle and just call it a day, but don't heap shooter/observer training on them.
    I buy that. I'd go for a better weapon and better training for all...

    Snipers are handy in wars of movement, too. I picked up an '03 in Korea in 50 and carried it for a city fight and several long opposed moves. Was having good times with my bruised shoulder until they decided to pick up all the '03s and send 'em back to Quantico to be re-scoped.

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    Given the fact that the Corps has had Snipers back for many years, that they are / were bound to operate in a Company's AO on occasion, that lack of some rudimentary education on what a Sniper is and does is surprising -- but even lacking that, if the Sniper is trained right and has been sprinkled with Holy Water as being qualified...
    In my weeks of training at IOC, the topic never came up, from what I can recall. Not sure if the reasoning behind that was even addressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcustis View Post
    We'd be better off, IMO, removing snipers from the T/O altogether, and take that structure to build DMs who could remain organic to squads with suppressed MK-12s and nothing more. Just because sniping is not a dark art, doesn't mean that snipers necessarily belong within an infantry company. I suppose I should have stated as much, as opposed to simply saying that we struggle with their effective employment at higher echelons.
    Sniper seems a very emotive term. Back in the day, when I used to hang with John Plaster, (yeah, talking like my niece - ) I really marvelled at this level of knowledge, (and skill) but I always came back to, "shouldn't most soldiers be able to do this?"

    I don't care where "Snipers" come from or are trained, but the end-state, not the process, should, IMO, give Company and Platoon commanders, access to Sniper capabilities as and when required.

    Also,there is a pretty counter productive "creeping excellence" tendency amongst some snipers. 7.62mm is good out to 800m, with not too much problem = we need 8.59mm = even easier to hit at 800m, so we'll notch up the training to 1,200m. Flatter trajectory, thus making it easier to hit, should have equalled more snipers, not fewer even better ones!
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    I don't care where "Snipers" come from or are trained, but the end-state, not the process, should, IMO, give Company and Platoon commanders, access to Sniper capabilities as and when required.
    I guess the matter of what comprises "sniper capabilities" has to be laid out before much deliberation goes further.

    Are we talking precision direct fires? Call-for-fire capability? Long-duration and long-range observation capabilities?

    We have the ability to perform most anything a sniper can do, already. The best thing he adds is a heightened ability to engage a man-sized target in a variety of conditions (low light poses challenges) affecting the target and the shooter.

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    Wilf:
    Also,there is a pretty counter productive "creeping excellence" tendency amongst some snipers. 7.62mm is good out to 800m, with not too much problem = we need 8.59mm = even easier to hit at 800m, so we'll notch up the training to 1,200m. Flatter trajectory, thus making it easier to hit, should have equalled more snipers, not fewer even better ones!
    Have the Brits not partially overcome the ‘fewer’ snipers by adding an 8.59 DM at platoon level?

    Which would indeed go a long way towards:

    Jcustis:
    The best thing he adds is a heightened ability to engage a man-sized target in a variety of conditions (low light poses challenges) affecting the target and the shooter.
    That said, I can still see the traditional role for snipers at battalion level, along with recon, and answering to battalion/S2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Infanteer View Post
    This is why a high-end number (40) is better, in my opinion, than the lower end 28-32 I've seen. If you are operating with vehicles, they exist to crew vehicles. These guys aren't permanent crewman - my Platoon has spares and we rotate guys out for a break and to get bayonet time. This leaves 28 to 32 guys on the ground (depending on crew requirements of your platform) to operate but also gives you an extra "section" of your Zulu vehicles. If they are dismounted, those extra guys can become an extra section - or can be used as an "echelon" to help pack the ammo for the crew-served weapons that need to be manpacked now that you're out vehicles - or perhaps run the mule train?
    So if I understand this correctly, your crews form a section, and then there are three dismount sections of 7? So per vehicle the 3 + 7 do not form one section? Just interested in how exactly this platoon works/looks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwigrunt View Post
    Have the Brits not partially overcome the ‘fewer’ snipers by adding an 8.59 DM at platoon level?
    Last I checked, there were going to be L-115A3 8.59mm at the unit level Sniper Platoons and Platoon DMs where going to be the old L96. The original L-115A1, were purchased for the platoons in 16 Air Assault and 3 Commando Brigades, but they apparently got "lifted up," to unit level snipers.

    That said, I can still see the traditional role for snipers at battalion level, along with recon, and answering to battalion/S2.
    Just like 1916? There's a whole basket full of very context specific discussion in that one sentence alone. My current feeling is that ideas in this area really need to be held to rigour, because some things just don't make sense, given modern equipment capabilities and the nature of contemporary operations. Having said all that, you may be right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwigrunt View Post
    So if I understand this correctly, your crews form a section, and then there are three dismount sections of 7? So per vehicle the 3 + 7 do not form one section? Just interested in how exactly this platoon works/looks.
    No, it's a 10 man section with 3 for the crew. However, if I dismount, I take the 28 guys with me and the vehicles (Zulu callsigns) fall under the command of my HQ Sect Commander (the LAV Sgt). I can control those C/S like another section, however, if we are doing a Company-level operation, the LAV Capt will take control of all Zulu C/S while I work with the Coy Comd.

    Having an extra officer (the LAV Capt) at the Coy level is good to; he's like the HQ Platoon/Ops guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infanteer View Post
    No, it's a 10 man section with 3 for the crew. However, if I dismount, I take the 28 guys with me and the vehicles (Zulu callsigns) fall under the command of my HQ Sect Commander (the LAV Sgt). I can control those C/S like another section, however, if we are doing a Company-level operation, the LAV Capt will take control of all Zulu C/S while I work with the Coy Comd.

    Having an extra officer (the LAV Capt) at the Coy level is good to; he's like the HQ Platoon/Ops guy.
    That's exactly how a UK Mech Platoon operated for nearly 30 years.
    ...but your LAVs have stabilised cannon? So why are they operating under a Zulu-type call sign?

    We used to send the 432's off to a Zulu muster or just hold them short of the objective, which was pretty silly mostly, but we only had Pig-turreted GPMG. You've got a 25mm cannon! Surely your LAVs are acting in intimate support? Just like an MICV should (IMO, actually should not!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Infanteer View Post
    No, it's a 10 man section with 3 for the crew. However, if I dismount, I take the 28 guys with me and the vehicles (Zulu callsigns) fall under the command of my HQ Sect Commander (the LAV Sgt). I can control those C/S like another section, however, if we are doing a Company-level operation, the LAV Capt will take control of all Zulu C/S while I work with the Coy Comd.

    Having an extra officer (the LAV Capt) at the Coy level is good to; he's like the HQ Platoon/Ops guy.
    Infanteer,

    I'm very interested in what your T/O looks like. We utilize LAV Gen IIs, and keep the scout capacity down from its design size to a level that helps with crew comfort, but besides having an executive officer in his own vehicle (typically the C2 variant), we do not have anything approximating a LAV Captain.

    In terms of being the HQ Plt/Ops guy, what do his billet duties entail, and what vehicle does he command?

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    Quote Originally Posted by William F. Owen View Post
    That's exactly how a UK Mech Platoon operated for nearly 30 years.
    ...but your LAVs have stabilized cannon? So why are they operating under a Zulu-type call sign?

    We used to send the 432's off to a Zulu muster or just hold them short of the objective, which was pretty silly mostly, but we only had Pig-turreted GPMG. You've got a 25mm cannon! Surely your LAVs are acting in intimate support? Just like an MICV should (IMO, actually should not!)
    I wouldn't doubt it, as our mech tactics were most likely (like everything else) copied from the Brits. The LAV III indeed has a 25mm Bushmaster in a stabilized turret, which is a spectacular system.

    I am unsure of how familiar you are with our system, so I'll go to the basics for everyone's benefit. The Zulu callsigns are a carry over from the M113 days when the taxis went off to a harbour. However the Platoon Commander, when dismounted with his sections, still controls the potent LAVs unless the OC takes them. Instead of moving LAVs around while he's busy fighting the ground fight, he just maintains comms with his HQ Sect Comd (the LAV Sgt) and tells him what needs to happen (ie: punch, cut-off, get guns on that building); the LAV Sgt, as the mounted guy, can issue direction to the individual vehicles better than the Pl Comd on the ground can.

    When not mounted, the LAV Sgt is the fourth (HQ) Sect Comd.

    Quote Originally Posted by jcustis View Post
    Infanteer,

    I'm very interested in what your T/O looks like. We utilize LAV Gen IIs, and keep the scout capacity down from its design size to a level that helps with crew comfort, but besides having an executive officer in his own vehicle (typically the C2 variant), we do not have anything approximating a LAV Captain.

    In terms of being the HQ Plt/Ops guy, what do his billet duties entail, and what vehicle does he command?
    When the Infantry moved from an APC to an IFV, we brought along the idea of the LAV Captain from the Armoured Corps' Battle Captain who filled an important role in our big (19 Tank) Armoured Squadrons (Company or Troop down in the US) which featured a Sqdn 2IC back in the echelon pushing supplies up.

    In the infantry, he basically helps the OC run the fight up front while the 2IC (like you said, in a C2 variant) hangs back and acts as a CP. If the Coy dismounts, the LAV Captain takes control of all the LAVs (15 in a Rifle Coy according to doctrine - this is open source).

    As there is no real doctrine for "out of battle employment", different Coy Comds will treat the postion differently - such as breaking off A+Q (S1/S4) and Ops (S2/S3) duties between the 2IC and the LAV Capt. I've also seen him employed as HQ Platoon Comd, Media Guy, LO, etc, etc. Either way, he has his own vehicle (LAV III) and brings alot of flexibility to C2 in a rifle company, mounted or dismounted.
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    That's an interedting way of utilizing him. Does he serve as the OC's wingman?

    In our community, we have scouts rather than infantry squads, so the platoon commander does not likely dismount as much. He has a sergeant in charge of the scout section. For years there has been a muddled debate on whether the LAV-25s support the scouts, or vice versa. The focus was fairly clear when they were LAI (light armored infantry) battalions, but the LAR (reconnaissance) battalions operate off an almost bastardized version of Army cavalry doctrine, mixed in with an almost unhealthy belief that we can take on anything due to the nature of the 25mm chain gun.

    The Aussies have an equally unique means of employment, since scouts norinfantry are carried in the back of -25s, but in LAV-PC variants that are fairly roomy compared to our biggest variant, the LAV-L (logistics). They were running 2 PCs with 4 -25s to form platoons when I was a part oc Talisman Sabre.

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    This is a rather interesting topic with a lot of great input by experienced members. I will toss in a not so well known view on it. I bolded the perhaps most relevant points.


    THE order of battle is that division and formation of the different arms into separate parts or sections of the whole Army, and that form of general position or disposition of those parts which is to be the norm throughout the whole campaign or war.

    ........

    The greater armies become, the more they are distributed over wide spaces and the more diversified the action and reaction of the different parts amongst themselves, the wider becomes the field of strategy, and, therefore, then the order of battle, in the sense of our definition, must also come into a kind of reciprocal action with strategy, which manifests itself chiefly at the extreme points where tactics and strategy meet, that is, at those moments when the general distribution of the combatant forces passes into the special dispositions for the combat.

    We now turn to those three points, the division, combination of arms, and order of battle (disposition) in a strategic point of view.

    1.—Division.

    In strategy we must never ask what is to be the strength of a division or a corps, but how many corps or division an army should have (or how many sections or teams a platoon should have.) There is nothing more unmanageable than an army divided into three parts, except it be one divided into only two, in which case the chief command must be almost neutralised.

    To fix the strength of great and small corps, either on the grounds of elementary tactics or on higher grounds, leaves an incredibly wide field for arbitrary judgment, and heaven knows what strange modes of reasoning have sported in this wide field. On the other hand, the necessity of forming an independent whole (army) into a certain number of parts is a thing as obvious as it is positive, and this idea furnishes real strategic motives for determining the number of the greater divisions of an army, consequently their strength, whilst the strength of the smaller divisions, such as companies, battalions, etc., is left to be determined by tactics.

    .....

    Certainly it seems that the supreme direction of an army (and the direction of every whole) must be greatly facilitated if there are only three or four subordinates to command, but the commander-in-chief must pay dearly for this convenience in a twofold manner. In the first place, an order loses in rapidity, force, and exactness if the gradation ladder down which it has to descend is long, and this must be the case if there are corps-commanders between the division leaders and the chief; secondly, the chief loses generally in his own proper power and efficiency the wider the spheres of action of his immediate subordinates become.

    ........

    But on the other hand the number of divisions must not be too great, otherwise disorder will ensue. It is difficult enough to manage eight divisions from one head quarter, and the number should never be allowed to exceed ten. But in a division in which the means of circulating orders are much less, the smaller normal number four, or at most five, may be regarded as the more suitable.

    If these factors, five and ten, will not answer, that is, if the brigades are too strong, then corps d'armée must be introduced; but we must remember that by so doing, a new power is created, which at once very much lowers all other factors.

    ........

    This is the abstract view of the case. The particular case may present good reasons for deciding otherwise. Likewise, we must admit that, although eight or ten divisions may be directed when united in a level country, in widely extended mountain positions the thing might perhaps be impossible. A great river which divides an army into halves, makes a commander for each half indispensable; in short, there are a hundred local and particular objects of the most decisive character, before which all rules must give way.

    But still, experience teaches us, that these abstract grounds come most frequently into use and are seldomer overruled by others than we should perhaps suppose.

    We wish further to explain clearly the scope of the foregoing considerations by a simple outline, for which purpose we now place the different points of most importance next to each other.



    As we mean by the term numbers, or parts of a whole, only those which are made by the primary, therefore the immediate division, we say.

    1. If a whole has too few members it is unwieldy.

    2. If the parts of a whole body are too large, the power of the superior will is thereby weakened.

    3. With every additional step through which an order has to pass, it is weakened in two ways: in one way by the loss of force, which it suffers in its passage through an additional step; in another way by the longer time in its transmission.

    The tendency of all this is to show that the number of co-ordinate divisions should be as great, and the gradational steps as few as possible; and the only limitation to this conclusion is, that in armies no more than from eight to ten, and in subordinate corps no more than from four or at most six, subdivisions can be conveniently directed.
    (When thinking about platoons and their divisions/teams one can see that this points seems to be still of value

    2.—Combination of Arms.

    For strategy the combination of the three arms in the order of battle is only important in regard to those parts of the army which, according to the usual order of things, are likely to be frequently employed in a detached position, where they may be obliged to engage in an independent combat. Now it is in the nature of things, that the members of the first class, and for the most part only these, are destined for detached positions, because, as we shall see elsewhere, detached positions are most generally adopted upon the supposition and the necessity of a body independent in itself.

    In a strict sense strategy would therefore only require a permanent combination of arms in army corps, or where these do not exist, in divisions, leaving it to circumstances to determine when a provisional combination of the three arms shall be made in subdivisions of an inferior order.

    But it is easy to see that, when corps are of considerable size, such as 30,000 or 40,000 men, they can seldom find themselves in a situation to take up a completely connected position in mass. With corps of such strength, a combination of the arms in the divisions is therefore necessary. No one who has had any experience in war, will treat lightly the delay which occurs when pressing messages have to be sent to some other perhaps distant point before cavalry can be brought to the support of infantry—to say nothing of the confusion which takes place. (the friction at work, and a case for organic combination of arms

    The details of the combination of the three arms, how far it should extend, how low down it should be carried, what proportions should be observed, the strength of the reserves of each to be set apart—these are all purely tactical considerations.

    3.—The Disposition.

    The determination as to the relations in space, according to which the parts of an army amongst themselves are to be drawn up in order of battle, is likewise completely a tactical subject, referring solely to the battle. No doubt there is also a strategic disposition of the parts; but it depends almost entirely on determinations and requirements of the moment, and what there is in it of the rational, does not come within the meaning of the term "order of battle." We shall therefore treat of it in the following chapter under the head of Disposition of an Army.

    The order of battle of an army is therefore the organisation and disposition of it in mass ready prepared for battle. Its parts are united in such a manner that both the tactical and strategical requirements of the moment can be easily satisfied by the employment of single parts drawn from the general mass. When such momentary exigency has passed over, these parts resume their original place, and thus the order of battle becomes the first step to, and principal foundation of, that wholesome methodicism which, like the beat of a pendulum, regulates the work in war, and of which we have already spoken in the fourth chapter of the Second Book.
    A lot of food for thought, supporting a flexible and thoughtful use of the forces facilitated by the wholesome and common methodicism (drills, procedures, training, doctrine). The LINK to the whole chapter.
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