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Old 01-16-2017   #521
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Trump predicts breakup of EU, says Europeans will need visas, and offers Russia a deal to lift sanctions. Also attacks Merkel.

AGAIN trump does not know international relations..foreign policy nor international trade....

Requiring EU citizens to have visas to enter the US would be immediately answered by requiring US citizens to have EU visas for all countries visited...WHY the EU grants a US citizen up to 90 days visa free and then that was followed by US side....IF Us removes then EU removes....

Try to convince an American businessman doing export business in say Holland ...then onto Belgium and finally landing in Germany for his return trip he will need THREE separate visas all coupled with visa fees....

AND then ask him if he is going to vote for Trump the next time around????

BY THE WAY...I had posted to this thread that the outgoing US EU ambassador stated that the Trump transition team was sending him questions concerning who was leaving the EU and how long could the EU survive...ALL questions indicated to him that the Trump transition team had a great interest in the EU failing.....

WHY Trump dislike the second largest trading block and he feels it is anti US focused....

Someone needs to point out to Trump that up through the mid to late 70s 96% of all US consumer needs were met by Made in the US...THEN the US suffered a number of recessions and job loses and then the Us turned to export focused business and suddenly jobs were created and now the US exports well these days....

WHY did that occur...because the US consumer just as EU consumers are...totally focused on price and without exports US products were simply to expensive and not well made...make things again in the US and the common man who voted for Trump will see an increase in their cost of living above what they earn in pay raises....that is the effect of global trade these days...

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Trump's comments that he trusts Merkel & Putin both equally & that NATO is "obsolete" should alarm everyone in Europe. This is a big deal.

Trump wants to lift Russia sanctions in exchange for nuclear reductions. Muddled thinking. Sanctions are over aggression against Ukraine.

Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg zum #Trump-Interview: „Er scheint von der @NATO nicht viel Ahnung zu haben.“

Well at least Putin has his own personal biker gang so why not Trump....
What planet is this? Trump's inauguration will be protected by a biker "Wall of Meat". OK, I'm officially afraid.

This is prior restraint of free speech. FoxNews spreads propaganda of 200k strong Bikers 4 Trump to suppress Inauguration protest.

WTH country am I in?? BIKERS 4 TRUMP will "prevent protests" at Inauguration & take part in "1/2time show":https://twitter.com/Deplorable_Left/...285760/video/1


Wonder if Trump knows about this...common event for many rich Russians who voice anti American/EU/NATO/Germany statements but then shop in EU....

Pro-Putin firebrand MP @Alexey_Pushkov who daily lambasts Europe and decadent West on Twitter spotted shopping in Spain because of course it is cheaper and better than in Russia...and he uses black money

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Strong German and EU comments coming out of Europe after Trump interview...

.@ischinger
„Donald Trump hat die EU bisher überhaupt nicht verstanden.“
Auch zu Trumps Einschätzungen zur NATO und Russland starke Kritik.

1. Trump does not understand EU
2. Trump estimate of NATO and Russia are totally wrong....

IF the Russian controllers of Trump want the destruction of EU and NATO...Trump is the way forward....and there is no Russian connections????

APPEARS he ignored the CIA Directors' comments yesterday aimed straight at him....

European integration is profoundly in the interest of the peace and prosperity of all European nations. If it doesn't suit Trump, so be it.

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APPEARS Trump is now channeling Sanders and the European health insurance model...of single payer and state determining medicine prices...

BTW..WHAT many demanded during the ACA/Obamacare debate which the Republicans rejected...

Trump vows 'insurance for everybody' in replacing Obamacare
http://reut.rs/2jngO5R

BUT in the end the average Trump voter will end up paying far more than currently paying...for less coverage and less quality care...
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This is what happens when intel chief tells @realDonaldTrump something he doesn't want to hear. He doesn't listen; just shoots the messenger

Trump is now officially at war with the entire US Intelligence Community...a war he cannot possibly win and it will be one of a death by a thousand cuts as they sit on information over his last 30 years of Russian activities and his money laundering days with his casino's....and they will leak it...

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 8h
8 hours ago

.@FoxNews "Outgoing CIA Chief, John Brennan, blasts Pres-Elect Trump on Russia threat. Does not fully understand." Oh really, couldn't do...

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 8h
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much worse - just look at Syria (red line), Crimea, Ukraine and the build-up of Russian nukes. Not good! Was this the leaker of Fake News?

Trump is a great user of the Russian propaganda SIX Ds.....which are being used here.....DEFLECT...DISMISS....DISTORT...

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From Post 483 by Outlaw09 in part:

Yes Mr Steele is a British national, who served in MI6 / SIS, an intelligence agency that like the other British agencies has exceptionally close links to it's American "cousins" (although GCHQ is reportedly even closer to the NSA it's "cousin"). Could his loyalties and networking in the private sector serve more than one paymaster and other "interested parties"? Yes, quite clearly.

Secondly until July 2015 the FT newspaper and other electronic options were owned by the UK-based Pearson Group, but it was then sold to Nikkei, a Japanese media company. A compnay that has a mixed reputation according to this, almost funny now, Russian author:https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...as-a-new-owner

Pearson Group also sold its 50% share in The Economist to the Agnelli family, from Italy where their interests include Fiat. The Pearson Group has largely UK-based corporate owners.

It is a moot point if in 2017 the FT reflects a distinct British flavour, let alone reports in the UK's national interest. More likely the international corporate financiers IMHO.

From Post 485 by Outlaow09 cited in part:

That is quite simply "spin" and may originate from within the agencies or Whitehall-Westminster. There is IMHO the widely held belief that any spy (HUMINT source), would not, except when jointly run, reveal the true identity of a spy anywhere. The information reports gained, well that is quite different and we know that sometimes the "jigsaw" can be assembled to identify a spy.
David, isn’t it rather curious that a Russian intelligence operation to insert a Russian agent into the heart of American politics and even the White House, which began 5-8 years ago, and which is so secret and so sensitive that it is controlled directly from the Putin’s PA rather than the SVR or GRU, was revealed to various Russian businessmen and then to a former SIS officer? How is it that the tentacles of this elaborate plot are all to be found by way of open-source intelligence?

Does it not surprise you to learn that the SIS has outstanding human intelligence in Russia, in marked contrast to SIS penetration during the Cold War?

Does it also not surprise you that this network of British agents was unable to alert London about Russian intentions regarding Georgia, Ukraine and Syria?

Given that Mr. Steele’s agents include senior FSB officers and members of the PA, would the process of elimination – pliers plus blowtorch plus bullet – be very difficult for Putin?
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This is what happens when intel chief tells @realDonaldTrump something he doesn't want to hear. He doesn't listen; just shoots the messenger

Trump is now officially at war with the entire US Intelligence Community...a war he cannot possibly win and it will be one of a death by a thousand cuts as they sit on information over his last 30 years of Russian activities and his money laundering days with his casino's....and they will leak it...

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 8h
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.@FoxNews "Outgoing CIA Chief, John Brennan, blasts Pres-Elect Trump on Russia threat. Does not fully understand." Oh really, couldn't do...

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much worse - just look at Syria (red line), Crimea, Ukraine and the build-up of Russian nukes. Not good! Was this the leaker of Fake News?

Trump is a great user of the Russian propaganda SIX Ds.....which are being used here.....DEFLECT...DISMISS....DISTORT...
Does Trump really think Dir CIA had the power to unilaterally decide US policy on Syria, Ukraine or could've reduced Russian arsenal!?

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PEOTUS @realDonaldTrump tells @KaiDiekmann that he would have preferred safe zones in Syria. Full interview @BILD:
http://m.bild.de/bild-plus/politik/a...e.html#…

Trump says Putin's intervention in Syria is very bad, US should have enforced red line back then, Aleppo was awful.

All the Putin and Assad fanboys who were cheering on Trump won't like this

Is Trump saying he would have bombed Syria after the August 21st 2013 attacks and stopped Russia's invasion of Ukraine?

Noting that Trump is more critical of Angela Merkel, the leader of a treaty ally, than he has ever been of Vladimir Putin.
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openDemocracy @openDemocracy
Kakistocracy is a term meaning a state or country run by the worst, least qualified, and most unscrupulous citizens.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/democr...racy-and-back#
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Here is now Trump's problem...he has been largely delegitimized by the whole discussion around the Russian hacking…
Which has nothing to do with bitterness on the part of Clinton, her supporters and the Democrats in general, of course. Which has nothing to do with the interventionists in the military and intelligence communities who were champing at the bit to be set loose by Clinton.

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AND now the Buzzfeed raw intel reports which are now being slowly seen to be more than accurate...even the sex tape/tapes are open for debate...
So you’re basically at the stage where affirmation will serve for confirmation. The sex tape was the core of the Dossier. The rest was filler that I had already read from various sources, you included.


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Ex-MI6 agent's frustration as FBI sat on Trump file for months…NOW the actual question is WHY did the FBI not respond...exactly the question the DOJ Inspector General is asking actually AND Trump cannot block the DoJ IG investigation...
Again, you’re conflating investigations here. So what was Comey paid by the Russians then? What compromising materials do they have on him?

No comment on the AG’s meeting with Bubba? No comment on her interference in an ongoing FBI investigation? No comment on bipartisan support for Comey’s ethics until after the election?

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Azor....as someone who has worked the dark side and HUMINT/HUMINTER sides Steele was sitting on solid reporting sources and that for a long while if he was pointing to this already...
More affirmations, like a woman's Facebook photo album or collection of fridge magnets.

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1. the key to Steele and his abilities is who he handled as a field agent....and that is massive if you understand the individual poisoned on Putin's orders

3. you have to separate the sex from the rest of the 17 reports and the rest is the critical point....WHY....IMHO you cannot even begin to blackmail Trump with sex...sex tapes and or 500 women all claiming sexual assault...we saw just how elegant he moved around the 2005 video footage and then the outcry....he has built this image around sex and YES even his very own voters will tell you it is not an issue for them as he is this great businessman and sometimes they bend the rules/laws....that is why he cannot be blackmailed just with sex...BUT his financial empire built on Russian money is a totally different ballgame...

4. BUT tying him to Russian black money and or that his so called slef made great empire was on the back of money laundering WELL that is a totally different subject matter for Trump and he will fight like crazy to protect that image...WHICH BTW he is doing very well on...
And what intelligence did Litvinenko provide of material value? Obviously, it was only worth GBP 24,000 per year. He played politics with Berezovsky and got the sack, although his murder was atrocious. If that made Steele into a spymaster, then why did he leave the SIS?

Again, you are asserting financial linkages that the Dossier denies. You’re cherry-picking the allegations to suit a narrative that you have pushed throughout the entire election.

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Azor...as always in HUMINT and Steele is no different "follow the money"...now tell me Steele was "wrong in his HUMINT reports"...he was as the Brits say..."spot on"...NO wonder he truly doubted the FBI when he was providing this much detail...
Yet I could have written that report with Google, my laptop and some whiskey to keep my mind lubricated. At face value the Dossier makes little sense.

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Azor...NOW tell me the Trump interview yesterday and his comments concerning the lifting of sanctions DOES NOT tie into the above??????
Are you asking me to be shocked that people and firms will benefit from the lifting of sanctions? What of all of the firms in Europe clamoring for this? If anything, Trump’s remarks on sanctions have become more measured, with their lifting seeming increasingly conditional.

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Brit Christopher Steele is an American hero: worked w/o pay, tried to get US to investigate Trump-Russia. But FBI was on crusade vs Clinton

WHY is that? ESPECIALLY when the FBI is tasked to defend the US from enemies near and far INSIDE the US...it must be impartial BUT the NYC FBI office is a known anti Clinton hot bed or activity when this all came from to begin with.....tied to a Giuliani who was in that center for a number of years and who first leaked that something was going to happen in the next few days but he did not say what it was...now we know...the question is who did he hear it from????
Again, so this is a “vast right-wing conspiracy” plus the FBI plus Russia? All to de-legitimize Trump and to distract from Clinton’s stunning loss. And the Russians benefit, because they want to sow division and to weaken the US government. Unfortunately, by buying into these smears and conspiracy theories, you are playing right into Putin’s hands. As usual, nothing to say about Galeotti’s view of Russian intentions because you disagree with it.

If you are the superior Kremlinogist, then why are you quoting amateurs from the mainstream media? Why quote at all, to be honest?
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Which has nothing to do with bitterness on the part of Clinton, her supporters and the Democrats in general, of course. Which has nothing to do with the interventionists in the military and intelligence communities who were champing at the bit to be set loose by Clinton.



So you’re basically at the stage where affirmation will serve for confirmation. The sex tape was the core of the Dossier. The rest was filler that I had already read from various sources, you included.




Again, you’re conflating investigations here. So what was Comey paid by the Russians then? What compromising materials do they have on him?

No comment on the AG’s meeting with Bubba? No comment on her interference in an ongoing FBI investigation? No comment on bipartisan support for Comey’s ethics until after the election?



More affirmations, like a woman's Facebook photo album or collection of fridge magnets.



And what intelligence did Litvinenko provide of material value? Obviously, it was only worth GBP 24,000 per year. He played politics with Berezovsky and got the sack, although his murder was atrocious. If that made Steele into a spymaster, then why did he leave the SIS?

Again, you are asserting financial linkages that the Dossier denies. You’re cherry-picking the allegations to suit a narrative that you have pushed throughout the entire election.



Yet I could have written that report with Google, my laptop and some whiskey to keep my mind lubricated. At face value the Dossier makes little sense.



Are you asking me to be shocked that people and firms will benefit from the lifting of sanctions? What of all of the firms in Europe clamoring for this? If anything, Trump’s remarks on sanctions have become more measured, with their lifting seeming increasingly conditional.



Again, so this is a “vast right-wing conspiracy” plus the FBI plus Russia? All to de-legitimize Trump and to distract from Clinton’s stunning loss. And the Russians benefit, because they want to sow division and to weaken the US government. Unfortunately, by buying into these smears and conspiracy theories, you are playing right into Putin’s hands. As usual, nothing to say about Galeotti’s view of Russian intentions because you disagree with it.

If you are the superior Kremlinogist, then why are you quoting amateurs from the mainstream media? Why quote at all, to be honest?
What is good for the goose is not via Trump and his transition team good for the gander is it????

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A top aide to President-elect Donald Trump urged President Obama on Sunday to tell fellow Democrats to stop questioning Trump’s legitimacy — and rejected comparisons to Trump’s own well-publicized doubts about#Obama’s eligibility to serve.
The remarks from incoming White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus came after a prominent lawmaker and civil rights activist, Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), said Trump was not a “legitimate president” and more than a dozen fellow Democratic lawmakers announced that they would not attend Trump’s inauguration.
Speaking on ABC’s “This Week,” Priebus#acknowledged Lewis’s “historic contribution to civil rights and voting rights” but said his doubts about Trump’s legitimacy#are#“insanity” and “incredibly disappointing.”
“I think President Obama should step up,” he said,#praising the cooperation from the White House#on other transition issues. “I think the administration can do a lot of good by telling folks that are on the Republican side of the aisle: Look, we may have lost the election on the Democratic side, but it’s time to come together.”
Vice President-elect Mike Pence separately criticized Lewis on Sunday for questioning Trump’s legitimacy in interviews on Fox and CBS, calling his remarks “deeply disappointing.” He also defended Trump’s recent tweets attacking Lewis, saying Trump “has the right to defend himself.”
“I truly do believe this is a time when the American people should be celebrating the peaceful transition of power,” Pence said in a “Fox News Sunday” interview. “I hope that John Lewis, and some others who have joined his plans to take a pass on the inauguration, will rethink that.”
Many Democrats have bristled at the GOP calls to quietly accept Trump’s presidency, pointing to the president-elect’s prominent role in promoting the false “birther” movement to question whether Obama was born in the United States. Trump refused to unequivocally accept Obama’s status as a natural-born#U.S. citizen until September — less than two months before Election Day — and#has never apologized for his role in spreading doubts.
“What [Democrats]#are right about is to talk about the racist past of Donald Trump,” Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Sunday, also on ABC. “We all remember that Trump was one of the leaders of so-called ‘birther’ movement trying to delegitimize the presidency of our first African#American#president, Barack Obama, which is an outrage.”
Priebus said Sunday that questions about Obama’s birth have “been resolved for at least two years in Donald Trump’s mind” and drew a distinction between questioning Obama’s citizenship and accepting the results of the elections that he won.
“This Week” host George Stephanopoulos corrected Priebus, noting that Trump continued to raise questions about Obama’s eligibility to serve#well into his own presidential campaign.
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“But look, George, that’s not the point,” he replied. “The point is not where Barack Obama was born. The point is is that we’ve got congressmen on the Democratic side of the aisle that are questioning the legitimacy of President-elect Trump, who won in an electoral landslide. That’s the issue. That’s where the outrage should be, not old news, but the fact that we are preparing for the transfer of power and we have been working with President Obama hand in glove. And I think that they, including the president, should step up and get his people in line and tell them to grow up and accept the fact that they lost the election.”
Denis McDonough, Obama’s chief of staff, noted in a CNN interview Sunday that Obama called Trump the “freely elected” president in his farewell speech Tuesday; McDonough used that terminology several times to refer to Trump.
“He called him the freely elected president of the United States, so that’s the charge that we have taken,” he said. “By the same token, these Democrats and others have pointed out that they have got significant concerns. … The intelligence shows that the Russians did intervene. They did intervene with the purpose of helping one candidate and hurting the other. So these are by no means trivial concerns.”
Asked about the birther movement by CNN host Jake Tapper, McDonough said Obama is “not going to get in the middle of this right now.”
“The president has made very clear that he believes that [Trump]#is the freely elected president,” he said. “He will be inaugurated on Friday. And he will come into office hopefully strengthened by the kind of transition that we have tried to run in this White House.”
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Which has nothing to do with bitterness on the part of Clinton, her supporters and the Democrats in general, of course. Which has nothing to do with the interventionists in the military and intelligence communities who were champing at the bit to be set loose by Clinton.



So you’re basically at the stage where affirmation will serve for confirmation. The sex tape was the core of the Dossier. The rest was filler that I had already read from various sources, you included.




Again, you’re conflating investigations here. So what was Comey paid by the Russians then? What compromising materials do they have on him?

No comment on the AG’s meeting with Bubba? No comment on her interference in an ongoing FBI investigation? No comment on bipartisan support for Comey’s ethics until after the election?



More affirmations, like a woman's Facebook photo album or collection of fridge magnets.



And what intelligence did Litvinenko provide of material value? Obviously, it was only worth GBP 24,000 per year. He played politics with Berezovsky and got the sack, although his murder was atrocious. If that made Steele into a spymaster, then why did he leave the SIS?

Again, you are asserting financial linkages that the Dossier denies. You’re cherry-picking the allegations to suit a narrative that you have pushed throughout the entire election.



Yet I could have written that report with Google, my laptop and some whiskey to keep my mind lubricated. At face value the Dossier makes little sense.



Are you asking me to be shocked that people and firms will benefit from the lifting of sanctions? What of all of the firms in Europe clamoring for this? If anything, Trump’s remarks on sanctions have become more measured, with their lifting seeming increasingly conditional.



Again, so this is a “vast right-wing conspiracy” plus the FBI plus Russia? All to de-legitimize Trump and to distract from Clinton’s stunning loss. And the Russians benefit, because they want to sow division and to weaken the US government. Unfortunately, by buying into these smears and conspiracy theories, you are playing right into Putin’s hands. As usual, nothing to say about Galeotti’s view of Russian intentions because you disagree with it.

If you are the superior Kremlinogist, then why are you quoting amateurs from the mainstream media? Why quote at all, to be honest?
Azor...sat down this weekend with one of my best IT hacking research teams and we feed the all available open source social media articles....over 2000 names and over 400 Trump companies in both US/Russia/Europe/Asia and ME together with his estimated 80 or so Deleware LLCs and a large number of his real estate deals that are in the public domain....

INTO Palantir...the standard network link analysis tool used by JSOC...the CIA...DIA and the Treasury Department for chasing threat finance.....

Took roughly 18 hours but all was inputted just as they do in CIA..DIA and Treasury...

THEN let Palantir do it's thing in building the linkages and collating the events...places...individuals and countries...AND money flows...all open source by the way...

I am holding the final product and waiting to see what leaks in the coming weeks.....

The few plain civilian efforts at link analysis that I have previously posted here are headed in the correct direction...but without Palantir they have only scratched the surface....

The key to the entire Russian money flows and Trump are in the interconnections of two Trump companies based in Malta ...two Russian banks..also located there and in Cyprus..and the SOHO real estate deal.........the SOHO deal is the cornerstone...

Therein lies the core Trump ties to Russian black money and there is indeed a linkage to be clearly seen...BUT that is the problem...when so much is out there and one is not able to use such a tool as Palantir then you miss it all.

BTW Palantir was R&D'd with start up funds from In-Q-tel a CIA start up fund for advanced/interesting technologies ....and is heavily used inside the government to chase threat finances and fraud.....

BTW once Palantir is fed then it searches the net for additional info...and a lot has not been yet revealed on Trump and his connections and monies.

We then fed those results into a very good visualization tool and it takes your breath away with the connections inside Russia ...banks and individuals....that have not been seen nor heard of before this....Steele had a great source BTW....the sex tape was just a distraction from the core info....

So I am awaiting the final leakage and then will publish it .......am afraid Trump will regret his calling and or equating US IC with Nazi Germany.....

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Azor...secondly we this weekend went through the metadata taken from the conversations between the email server in the Trump Tower and the email server in Alfa bank Moscow....

You do remember that set of servers that Trump and his team stated did not exist...well they did exist and along with them tons of metadata..that was the data we also worked through also this weekend.

REMEMBER the FBI did get one FISA warrant for this same data that Trump and company denied existed.....and it is being looked at as I write here.

I do know who was talking to whom and it is definitely inside the Trump transition team and we now know who was on the other end at Alfa Bank as we have seen his IP address in other locations inside and outside Russia....

We know the leak will come and are holding our research back until it occurs out of law safety sake.....

So when Trump states he and his team are not connected to Russia he is basically lying like a Persian rug.....

Also rumors exist that the NSA was also privy to the email server exchange.....as it crossed into the international internet thus open for monitoring..

So when you think Steele did not get it right.....sit back and wait it out....more to come....
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Putin spokesman gives Trump interview a thumbs-up: "NATO really is a relic, we agree with that."
https://ria.ru/world/20170116/1485770321.html#


BUT WAIT...Trump said nothing about Russian aggression in eastern Ukraine nor about their military annexation of Crimea did he.....
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Azor...this man is the main advisor to Trump and we expect something smart to come out of him and Trump....??

Uplifting reminder: the guy who approved this headline will soon be Chief Strategist to the most powerful man alive.

REMEMBER this is the Trump view of EU...also pushed by Bannon BTW.....
Trump : "EU is only there to harm American trade." (Interview Bild editor Diekmann).
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleto...58728-p2.html#

Trump desperately needs to go to night school and catch up with modern international trade and tariffs...we are not back in 1965...
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Azor...here is a history lesson someone needs to conduct with Trump...Bannon and Flynn......

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In interview, Trump says it's unfair that US buys Mercedes but Germany buys no Chevrolets
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GM purchased a German auto manufacturer in the early 30s using devalued dollars due to the depression....a company called Opel.....

GM then earned massive war time earnings for building trucks and cars for the German Wehrmacht during WW2 AND at the end of WW2....charged the US government for bombing damages to their factories which were making war equipment for the Nazi's.....

JUMP forward.....to the 2008 period and you will read about constant German union statements from the German union IG Metall that GM was draining out of Opel all the profits and not investing in new equipment and laying off workers.

THEN suddenly GM decided to build the Chevy Cruze and reduce production of all other German Opel models and further reductions of workers and attempting to sell off all the land and factories to increase the US profit line....

German unions forced the issue about the total lack of GM involvement outside of taking out profits to the detriment of German workers...and the German government stepped in and basically told GM to either repay all of their tax breaks and leave Germany or invest in the company.

GM not wanting to lose the EU market decided to invest...pulled in a new creative design team...came out with really well designed and KEY well produced quality wise cars and now are rolling again after basically all most crashing the company....

AND pulled the GM Chevy name back out of EU....

By The Way....check this book from 1950 written by US trust busters working during WW2 to break up German cartels.....I spent years trying to find a single copy as it disappeared from bookstores almost instantly when released. Found one in a used book store....

All Honorable Men: The Story of the Men on Both Sides of the Atlantic Who Successfully Thwarted Plans to Dismantle the Nazi Cartel System


A scathing attack on Wall Street’s illegal ties to Nazi Germany before WWII—and the postwar whitewashing of Nazi business leaders by the US government

https://www.amazon.com/All-Honorable.../dp/B01DOU85YU

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Prior to World War II, German industry was controlled by an elite group who had used their money and influence to help bring the Nazi Party to power. After the Allies had successfully occupied Germany and removed the Third Reich, the process of reconstructing the devastated nation’s economy began under supervision of the US government. James Stewart Martin, who had assisted the Allied forces in targeting key areas of German industry for aerial bombardment, returned to Germany as the director of the Division for Investigation of Cartels and External Assets in American Military Government, a position he held until 1947. Martin was to break up the industrial machine these cartels controlled and investigate their ties to Wall Street. What he discovered was shocking.

Many American corporations had done business with German corporations who helped fund the Nazi Party, despite knowing what their money was supporting. Effectively, Wall Street’s greed had led them to aid Hitler and hinder the Allied effort. Martin’s efforts at decartelization were unsuccessful though, largely due to hindrance from his superior officer, an investment banker in peacetime. In conclusion, he said, “We had not been stopped in Germany by German business. We had been stopped in Germany by American business.”

This exposé on economic warfare, Wall Street, and America’s military industrial complex includes a new introduction by Christopher Simpson, author of Blowback:America’s Recruitment of Nazis and Its Destructive Impact on Our Domestic and Foreign Policy, and a new foreword from investigative journalist Hank Albarelli.

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David, isn’t it rather curious that a Russian intelligence operation to insert a Russian agent into the heart of American politics and even the White House, which began 5-8 years ago, and which is so secret and so sensitive that it is controlled directly from the Putin’s PA rather than the SVR or GRU, was revealed to various Russian businessmen and then to a former SIS officer?
Yes, very curious and contrary to how HUMINT works. Unless one considers it is a very clever "smoke & mirrors" ploy to undermine Trump's credibility - which it certainly is for some.

Then there is the "old boys" network in Russia, with ex-KGB & GRU etc being in the "private" sector and mixing with their still-serving friends. I recall there was a big exodus after the USSR fell, but have many returned to state service? Or can we still talk about a separation of interests between the state, a private sector and business?

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How is it that the tentacles of this elaborate plot are all to be found by way of open-source intelligence?
Advocates of open source claim IIRC 90% of information is open. Notably Robert Steele. See:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_David_Steele

That aside. I have my doubts the tentacles have been discovered. Cash still has power and greed remains a powerful desire.

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Does it not surprise you to learn that the SIS has outstanding human intelligence in Russia, in marked contrast to SIS penetration during the Cold War?
SIS undoubtedly aspires to have HUMINT from Russia, I doubt anyone considers it has an 'outstanding' performance. I recall the success of the two best known SIS sources in the Cold War, Oleg Penkovsky (caught) and Oleg Gordievsky (escaped). The later it is stated was convinced by a briefcase of foreign cash; his account is different.

Now does SIS learn much from all the Russian wealthy exiles and resident who live in London, who continue to have links back home. The murder of Alexander Litvinenko, using polonium as a poison may fit in here.

[quote]Does it also not surprise you that this network of British agents was unable to alert London about Russian intentions regarding Georgia, Ukraine and Syria?[quote]

Gauging intentions has always been hard, even more so when decisions are made within a small circle, or even one person. I cannot recall the detail of each episode, but capabilities were either moved or upgraded beforehand - some of which was detected and warnings given.

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No, not very difficult I suspect. So that recent death in Moscow makes me wonder. Hardly time in Putin ruled Russia to have open criminal trials of traitors.
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UPDATE: Trump no longer to visit National African American Museum on MLK Day due to scheduling issues, transition officials tell

MAYBE because he tweeted to much and directly attacked a still living icon of the civil rights movement and MLK WHEN he Trump dodged the VN war draft FOUR times!!!!!! Trump dodged the draft FOUR times...Lewis went to jail 47 times fighting for civil/voting rights.....

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump Jan 14
Congressman John Lewis should spend more time on fixing and helping his district, which is in horrible shape and falling apart (not to......


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mention crime infested) rather than falsely complaining about the election results. All talk, talk, talk - no action or results. Sad!

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump Jan 14
Congressman John Lewis should finally focus on the burning and crime infested inner-cities of the U.S. I can use all the help I can get!

Trump realizes the photo ops of him in front of pictures of John Lewis would make his "no action" tweet look INCREDIBLY IGNORANT
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Azor....something for you....

.@realDonaldTrump invents fake news as he talks about fake news.

Ever truly notice Trump cannot carry a complete thought to the end..he gets sidetracked after 4 or 5 words and repeats things over and over ....

Trump has no earthly idea what "fake news" really is....
Episode number 116 of the StopFake project hosted by @PaulNiland - a must watch
#StopFakeNews #Russia #RuFakeNews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78uV3t9ORLU#

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Is this the usual word salad, or has he (been given a) pre-coordinated "detente" with Putin?

WHAT is extremely interesting Azor....is the comment that Russia is really hurting under the sanctions...THIS faces in the face of repeated Russian FM and Putin statements to the contrary....SO just how does Trump know it is "hurting".....

The actual US trade sanctions are not hurting Russia as the US trade with Russia is extremely low..the EU sanctions on the other hand are hurting and hurting badly....

SO WHY is he going to drop US sanctions for a nuclear deal when the bulk of the Russian sanctions are in place until JUN 2017/DEC 2017 BY EU and cannot be lifted by a US President.....?

BUT WHAT Trump is not saying is the US sanctions are on USD transfers from individuals/banks...that Russia has to flow over the NYC Federal Bank for clearing as all USDs must clear the US federal Banking system at some point....and this impacts greatly those oligarchs and Russian individuals who have been hit as well as those Russian banks named in the sanctions....
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