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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Seems the Armenian President has learned from the "Maidan"--he is now going to met with 10 reps from the demonstrators and journalists and live stream the meeting.

    BUT at the same time the Russian propaganda Corp. "News Media" is putting out that the demonstrators will run and hide when the first shots are fired--there has been a rumor floating that the police will clear the demonstration with force this evening.
    Russia's Federation Council thinks events in Armenia are completely repeating first phase of coup in Ukraine.

    Russia: 'Events in #Armenia repeat 1st phase of #Ukraine coup.' Ditto Budapest '56, Prague '68
    ? #ElectricYerevan pic.twitter.com/yTuxF8Di4V

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    Even Russian media that lies is having a problem now with their own journalists saying something totally different than the “party line”.
    youtube.com/watch?v=4HlezCYC1QY … #Russia's LieNews #fail. Anchor: #Ukrainians did it! Reporter: 'militias' did it! pic.twitter.com/Ec8MDCn7ED

    Ukr border guards beat off 5 RU attacks at #Marinka yesterday, 1 soldier WIA http://inforesist.org/pogranichniki-...kov/?_utl_t=tw

    Militants attacked a checkpoint in Maryinka, wounded one soldier of Ukrainian army pic.twitter.com/vW6pjugMoV http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/24-june...arinka-wounded

    Yle Kioski Investigated: This is How Pro-Russia Trolls Manipulate Finns Online – http://kioski.yle.fi/omat/troll-piece-2-english

    So... according to russian logic bulletproof vests are lethal weapons. https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/stat...32401118343168

    Police force seized weapons in Luhansk region: 4 AK assault rifles, pistol,grenade launchers pic.twitter.com/Tlcy1nKcQC http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/24-june...sk-region-4-ak

    SBU detained two cars with meat, which combat of Ukrainian army tried to take in LNR pic.twitter.com/3RObggmcJX http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/24-june...t-of-ukrainian

    Analysis #Map
    Spent half an hour w/ that extremely interesting Russian video from #CP31.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7qltdSVDK4 … pic.twitter.com/TfP1NvDGoH
    Conclus:
    1.Ukis don't shoot first. Snipers would've no problem if they wanted
    2.Ukis control 15km^2 more than I thought
    3."Scattered" front

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    The coming storm.
    Baltic Sea security report"
    by @edwardlucas
    @cepa http://www.cepa.org/sites/default/fi...compressed.pdf

    Pskov in #Russia LOVED the #Nazis as shown by the mass of #Russian #Nazi supporters in this videohttps://youtu.be/4XuIRBcD-Bk?t=52s

    Great article by @pavelsheremet on life in Transnistria where illegal trade is taking a serious hit http://kommersant.ru/doc/2747241

    Russian-backed militants ‘know about’ OSCE mission movements
    http://www.unian.info/war/1093188-in...movements.html … pic.twitter.com/B76myIDcZ7ers
    REMEMBER 23 members of the current OSCE SMM are Russians.

    Dep Sec of Russian Security Council: If Baltic States "like to be targets" because of NATO anti-missile shield, "it is their choice".

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    Almost 1,200 people are missing in Donbas http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...as-391879.html

    Captured Russian AF sniper who fought in Ukraine received so-called "humanitarian aid" from OSCE in Dec 2014
    Verified in his video interview with the Ukrainian Security Service.

    Russia not backing down from "mythology" created to explain away Ukraine crisis http://bit.ly/1LgpJwu

    People involved in crimes will be arrested when crossing checkpoints-Turchynov on new pass control system in ATO area http://en.censor.net.ua/n341306

    Anti-Americanism Now Russia’s Official Ideology, ‘Nezavisimaya Gazeta’ Says | The Interpreter http://www.interpretermag.com/anti-a...a-gazeta-says/ … via @Interpreter_Mag

    In #Crimea, in the village of Voloshino on the border with Kherson region, russian invaders placed howitzers. https://twitter.com/Dbnmjr/status/613463854564163584

    Russia’s OSCE representative warns of new escalation of conflict in Donbas
    http://www.unian.info/politics/10932...in-donbas.html … pic.twitter.com/wu1MCxFLHv

    Last day, Militants attacked Mariinka checkpoint 4 times & Zolote checkpoint once. 1 wounded - Border guard servicehttp://dpsu.gov.ua/ru/about/news/news_7595.htm

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    Below is interesting as it is probably true as the report has been verified from several Ukrainian sources.

    Interesting in that after Minsk 1 and then 2 it was often stated and especially by Russia that the Agreement was to the determent of the Ukraine and in initial reading it appears that way.

    BUT the Ukraine has elegantly fulfilled the basis of the Agreement and literally thrown it back at the Russians meaning the Russians must pull back all foreign fighters, mercenaries, volunteers, vacationers as part of the disarming process and they must submit to open and fair elections conducted using Ukrainian law ---THIS has been mentioned something Russia would never allow thus it trys continually to change Minsk 2 and or modifiy the Minsk 2 which Hahn is trying here to do.

    What the EU rep seems to have forgotten is that once the eastern region has the so called "federalization" that Putin wants WILL they continue to implement Minsk 2--IMHO NO.

    So the question begs to be asked WHO inside the EU is pushing this concept--it just does not appear out of "heaven" one day and then is carried forth--it would though fit what Germany and France have been trying to do--circumvent their own Agreement to appease Russia and give Putin a "victory" in the hopes he will then pull out.

    Talk about Munich 1938 and driven by Germany and France who should actually know better.

    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/06/2...mlins-demands/

    Europe pressuring Ukraine to meet Kremlin’s demands

    2015/06/24 • News

    Article by: Serhiy Sydorenko, European Pravda, June 23, 2015

    Despite the European Union’s apparent support of Ukraine, Brussels sometimes comes up with ideas that evoke amazement among Ukrainians who wonder how it is possible to have such a wrong perception of reality.

    The only consolation (for Ukrainians) lies in the hope that a public airing of the inappropriateness of the proposals of the EU representatives will convince them to abandon what they have started. Therefore, we hope that our publication will help stop the new initiative of the European Commission, which, to put it mildly, is rather hostile to Ukraine.

    European Pravda has learned that Johannes Hahn, the commissioner for European Neighborhood Policy and Enlargement Negotiations, during his visit to Kyiv last week, tried to convince Ukrainian authorities that Kyiv needs to carry out the “last” points of the Minsk agreement and not wait for Russia and the Russian-controlled militants to carry out their portion of the agreement.

    What are they asking of Ukraine?

    The new proposal so far does not yet have the status of an “official EU requirement.” It is more likely that the EU is currently “testing” the reaction of the Ukrainian side regarding the idea of a “mild renegotiation” of the requirements of the Minsk agreement.

    But even Kyiv’s unconditionally firm response during the first round of the negotiations did not prevent the members of the European Commission from raising the issue again.

    European Pravda’s correspondent was present during a closed session where one of the highest officials of the European Commission responsible for Ukraine (we agreed not to disclose his name) suddenly announced that there were problems in Kyiv’s implementation of the Minsk Agreement.

    “Yes, we are talking about Russia’s violations of the Minsk Agreement,” he said. “But is Ukraine doing everything to comply with the Minsk requirements? Why don’t you move ahead with providing special status to the Donbas? After all, you can do that immediately and demonstrate Kyiv’s good will toward carrying out Minsk,” the official explained.

    The arguments of the Ukrainian politicians who were at the meeting that the Minsk Agreement deliberately consists of separate stages and that there is no point in carrying out the last point when Moscow is not even complying with the first one had no effect on the EU representative. He continued to insist that Ukraine needs to fulfill the Minsk agreement “in advance.”

    The Verkhovna Rada is already aware of the new EU requirement.

    “Rumors emerged last week and were later confirmed,” Ivanna Klympush-Tsintsadze, first deputy head of the Parliamentary Committee on Foreign Affairs, told European Pravda.

    “The Europeans are demanding that we propose a strategy for the special status of Donbas. And they want this status not to be limited to three years (as in the law about the status of certain territories) but to be made permanent,” she said.

    According to Klympush-Tsintsadze, somehow the complex approach to carrying out the Minsk-2 Agreements is being negated suddenly. “Despite the fact that the first steps have not even been carried out — the ceasefire is not respected, the heavy weaponry has not been withdrawn, our hostages have not been returned — but the EU is telling Kyiv to carry out the fifth or seventh step,” she said.

    Kyiv’s Reaction

    Multiple government sources confirmed that this idea first appeared during Hahn’s visit to Kyiv. And one of his meetings turned out to be almost completely dedicated to this idea.

    The official participants in the negotiations with Hahn refuse to comment officially, explaining that the situation is “too sensitive.”

    However, as a result of discussions “not on record” European Pravda was able to put together a scenario of the negotiations.

    “The negotiations that were held in the Verkhovna Rada were incredibly complex and emotional. Voices were raised. The Ukrainian participants considered this idea practically a betrayal on Hahn’s part. Europeans, on the other hand, tried to make the case the Ukraine itself must demonstrate greater flexibility and progress on the Minsk issue in order to remove any claims on the part of Russia,” one of the negotiators told European Pravda

    “At one point the Ukrainian representative even told the commissioner that he is advocating the same position as the Moscow representatives,” another source said. After emotional and fruitless negotiations in the Rada, Commissioner Hahn went to meet the president.

    “There the negotiations were not as emotional. The commissioner was more constructive with President Poroshenko and paid more attention to reports on the violations of the Minsk agreement by Russia,” one of the Verkhovna Rada participants reported. However, another source insisted that during Hahn’s negotiations with Poroshenko the Europeans again — perhaps in milder terms — raised the question of Ukraine “going ahead” in carrying out the Minsk requirements.

    Meanwhile, our source at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs says the situation should not be overly dramatized and that there are no “demands” on the part of the EU.

    According to the diplomat, so far Kyiv is not being asked to grant special status to the Donbas but to “discuss” the possibility of such a provision.

    “The EU wants for all the Minsk questions to be discussed in the subgroups of the Interim Contact Group in order to avoid taboos on certain topics, including this one. But this is an informal discussion, an exchange of ideas. The official dialogue will begin only after the elections with the legitimately elected representatives (of several regions of the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts)” the Foreign Ministry source said.

    Instead of an epilogue

    At present it is difficult to say if this unexpected proposal by the European Commission, which was made twice in just a few days (first in Kyiv during the visit of the European commissioner and then at a closed session at the EU), will advance further.

    Much depends on how categorically this option was refused by the Ukrainian side. For now, all sources without exception say they are against any revision of the Minsk agreements even a “modest revision.”

    “My conversations indicate that at the EU they sometimes act as though they want to achieve elections in the Donbas without thinking too much about how to conduct them at present,” said one of our sources who is involved in the “Minsk dialogue” on the Ukrainian side.

    “They want the imitation of success in the settlement. However, they do not have any answers to our questions about why they’re not reacting to the destruction of Shyrokino, Debaltsevo, Uhlehorsk. This is very frightening because it means we are being left to face Russia alone. But our position is firm: the Minsk agreements are a composite and currently no point of the Minsk agreement is being fulfilled,” he concluded

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    What is interesting about this article is the simple fact that right after Crimea Putin is recorded on Russian TV stating that he had given orders to his Border Security Commander to “secure the border so fighters and weapons could not cross"—NOTICE he says nothing about this nor does the Russain interviewer bring up the Russian TV interview with Putin.


    http://www.interpretermag.com/ukrain...-traffic/#8888

    Russian Security Chief Says Flow of Volunteer Russian Fighters to Ukraine 'Cannot be Stopped'

    00:24 (GMT)

    Nikolai Patrushev, secretary of Russia's Security Council, said that Russian authorities cannot hinder the flow of Russian volunteers to Ukraine to fight with the so-called "militia" in the self-proclaimed "Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics," Kommersant.ru and RBC.ru reported.

    He claimed the US had initiated the conflict in southeastern Ukraine, and repeated a well-worn trope of Russian disinformation. The Interpreter has translated excerpts from the Interview:

    Kommersant: And once again, the US is behind this?

    Patrushev: You have to look objectively at the events. The USA is trying to prove that Russia is a side in the conflict in Ukraine. But that's no so. In fact, the USA itself is the initiator of the conflict in Ukraine.

    Kommersant: How is that?

    Patrushev: You haven't caught my drift...They have initiated all these events. In one of his recent interviews, Barack Obama acknowledged this.

    Kommersant: But he only said that the US was a "facilitator" during the change in government in Kiev...

    Patrushev: The change in government in fact became the impulse for these events which had occurred there. Kerry has an aide [Victoria] Nuland, who published the sum of $5 billion spent on the USA in order to organize these events.

    Kommersant: She said that they had spent $5 billion in support of democratic institutes and civil society.



    Fact Check: The $5 billion is actually all aid given to Ukraine for 20 years, of which some component is for democracy promotion. That means aid given to the Yanukovich regime. Politfact.com, a site that analyzes such claims explained how misleading the Russian claim is that the US "spent $5 billion on anti-government riots" and awarded the claim its "pants on fire" designation which means it is an egregious lie.

    Patrushev: There was a lawfully-elected president, whether you like him or not, it's a question of appraisal, he was legally elected, and no one denies this. But he didn't suit the USA. And although his term as president was coming to an end, and the people of Ukraine would not have re-elected him, they decided to overthrow him forcibly.

    This was their political mistake. If they had waited, then they could have brought in the people they needed lawfully. But they initiated a coup d'etat. If there hadn't been a coup, there wouldn't have been the events in the Crimea and the east of Ukraine.

    Kommersant: But didn't the unrest in Kiev begin after Viktor Yanukovich, under pressure from Moscow, rejected the association with the European Union?

    Patrushev: He postponed the signing of this agreement -- and not under Moscow's pressure. He simply realized that he hadn't sufficiently comprehended the essence of this document and didn't understand what its implementation might lead to. Ukraine is in the free-trade zone of the CIS, and the consequences of this step were simply explained to Yanukovich. He had not taken them into account before and decided to take a pause in order to figure out these issues.

    To accuse Russia of how the events in Ukraine developed is to have cause and effect change places. "The wind blows because the tree is rocking." The initiators of the events in Ukraine are the USA. Through a coup, they brought to power people they control. Meanwhile, the socio-economic situation in Ukraine was worsening, so they had to think up a reason for why that was happening. In their logic, it is explained that Russia is to blame for everything. In fact, they don't care what will happen in Ukraine. They simply have to put pressure on Russia, which the USA is doing.

    Kommersant: You've expressed concern about the presence of Russian volunteers in the ranks of the Islamic State [ISIS]. Why isn't the Russian government concerned about the fact that thousands of Russians head off to fight in the Donbass?

    Patrushev: The Islamic State is a terrorist group, everyone acknowledges that. There are no terrorist groups on the territory of Lugansk and Donetsk regions. Everything could in fact be resolved without a civil war, if the Minsk agreements are followed. But they aren't fulfilled.

    In Ukraine now, even in one family, relatives often take diametrically opposed possitions and argue. This is a civil conflict. We have been providing and continue to provide support to Ukrainian refugees who, in fact, are not accepted either in the EU or in the USR -- but to get involved in a civil conflict is not prudent.

    Kommersant: But the Russian authorities are not hindering Russian Federation citizens from going to fight in the Donbass...

    Patrushev: We don't draft anyone and don't encourage it. But it is impossible really to hinder this. After all, 2 million refugees from Ukraine didn't come to Russia just like that -- they have relatives and friends here. They tell them about the brutalities happening there. And emotions already kicks in -- people go there and take part [in battles--Kommersant.]

    Patrushev said Russia was doing all it could to encourage the Minsk agreements but when asked why they didn't close the border through which armaments and personnel are flowing, Patrushev said:

    We cannot close the border. What can we do, organized a blockade as it was in Leningrad? For the entire population of the Donbass? We're essentially feeding them now, their living conditions are extremely difficult. Although it is said in the Minsk agreements that the Ukrainians themselves must foster the normalization of the social and economic situation both in Lugansk and in Donetsk. But they aren't doing that!

    Here Patrushev dodges the fact that essentially, Russia and the LNR control the border, and do not allow Ukrainian border authorities or the OSCE monitors to inspect the cargo coming in as "humanitarian convoys". OSCE can only monitor, not intercept arms, and it reports regularly of men in camouflage and armor crossing to and from Russia.

    There is no objective reason why Russia couldn't stop the flow of tanks and troops and submit to border inspection; it battled to force Ukrainian border guards away from certain crossings so they could freely cross. Yet a key condition of the Minsk agreement is returning the border back to Ukrainian control, and Patrushev does not comment on this.

    -- Catherine A. Fitzpatrick

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    What is interesting about this article is the simple fact that right after Crimea Putin is recorded on Russian TV stating that he had given orders to his Border Security Commander to “secure the border so fighters and weapons could not cross"—NOTICE he says nothing about this nor does the Russain interviewer bring up the Russian TV interview with Putin.


    http://www.interpretermag.com/ukrain...-traffic/#8888

    Russian Security Chief Says Flow of Volunteer Russian Fighters to Ukraine 'Cannot be Stopped'

    00:24 (GMT)
    NOTICE--neither he nor the interviewer seem to want to get into the simple question OK if you cannot stop Russian mercenaries from crossing into eastern Ukraine WHAT about the massive shipments of fuel, munitions, heavy weapons that cross by rail and convoy almost weekly if not daily????

    A minimum of two Russian Rail shipments a week have been arriving into eastern Ukraine for over the last six months--all documented and verified.

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    Russian propaganda outside of having the 4Ds and 2Ds also uses the concept of reverse flip augments.

    Meaning they will argue that say the Ukraine has been the chief violator of the Minsk 2 by shelling them 31 times when they are the verified violators by the OSCE and JCCC or the Ukraine is getting ready for an invasion of eastern Ukraine thus their need to pull their heavy weapons up to the Minsk 2 contact line and on and on.

    OR they launch a major ground attack verified by OSCE and THEN claim it was the Ukrainians who attacked them.

    They simply take what they will be doing and reverse flip it ---arguing it is what the Ukrainians will be doing--you see this well presented in this interview.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0P41SQ20150624

    World | Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:37am EDT
    Related: World, Russia

    Russian former leader of Ukraine rebels warns of 'big war'

    MOSCOW | By Anton Zverev

    A ceasefire is likely to collapse in east Ukraine and Russia could be drawn into a "big war" to cleanse the "sore on its borders", the former leader of the region's pro-Russian separatists said.

    Violence has eased but not halted in east Ukraine under what are known as the Minsk 2 agreements, reached in the Belarussian capital on Feb. 12 after an earlier ceasefire collapsed.

    Alexander Borodai, a Russian citizen and former journalist for nationalist newspapers who emerged last year as prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DNR), said he expects the Ukrainian army to launch a new offensive.

    "To be honest, I expect that the Minsk 2 agreements will not be observed, in the same manner as the Minsk 1 agreements were not," Borodai said in an interview this week in a Moscow restaurant surrounded by former rebel commanders.

    "And at the end of the day the Ukrainian army will launch an offensive. This is a very probable development ... I am not sure that it will end without a big war, as Russia cannot tolerate this sore on its borders forever."

    Borodai stepped aside in favor of a local man as the rebel leader last August but is widely believed to have strong political links in Moscow and an open channel to the Donbass region where the war has unfolded in the last 15 months.

    His leadership of the rebels in the early stages of their rebellion ensured he was often seen on Russian television, and passersby stop him to talk and pat him on the back when they see him on the streets of the Russian capital.

    He also came to worldwide attention as leader of the rebel movement in the area when Malaysian flight MH-17 was shot down by what Western countries believe was a Russian missile fired from rebel territory.

    He personally negotiated with Malaysian authorities to turn over the "black box" flight recorders from the airliner and has always denied that rebel forces were responsible for the crash that killed all 298 people on board the plane.

    The fact that nearly all top figures in the rebel movement at the time were from Russia was awkward for the Kremlin, which maintained that pro-Moscow sentiment was indigenous in eastern Ukraine, and Borodai stepped aside in favor of Alexander Zakharchenko, a former electrician from the area.

    "SANCTIONS WON'T DETER RUSSIA"

    Though fighting is now less intense in east Ukraine, the death toll has continued to rise and is now more than 6,400, with each side accusing the other of planning a new offensive.

    Borodai, 42, said the "half-frozen state" could not continue for long.

    "A big offensive by the Ukrainian troops will mean many casualties among civilians, I am sorry, as well as among the military ... One cannot say Russia doesn't care about Donbass people. Therefore there is a chance Russia won't leave people in the (rebel-led) republics in need," he said.

    Asked whether Russian forces could then intervene, he said: "I admit that Russia may lose patience."

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov declined to comment on Borodai's remarks. The West and Kiev say Russia has already sent troops and weapons into east Ukraine to back the separatists but Moscow denies this.

    Andriy Lysenko, a Ukrainian military spokesman, said Kiev is abiding by the Minsk agreements and denied Ukrainian government forces were preparing an offensive.

    Borodai remains in touch with other Muscovites who held prominent roles as rebel leaders in Ukraine, such as Igor Strelkov, who was the main rebel military commander at the time the Malaysian airliner was shot down.

    Strelkov and Borodai, who fought in Moldova's breakaway Transdniestr region in the 1990s, slipped back into Russia several months ago, deeming their job finished as "patriots" in east Ukraine.

    Borodai, who is banned under Western sanctions from entering the European Union and the United States, says tightening the sanctions will not "frighten" Moscow.

    He reiterated that Russia had not sent troops to east Ukraine, adding that if it had "there would have been no trace of the Ukrainian army left close to Donetsk now."
    Strelkov also fought as a GRU officer with Serbian mercenaries in Kosovo and is reported to be wanted for war crimes there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Russian propaganda outside of having the 4Ds and 2Ds also uses the concept of reverse flip augments.

    Meaning they will argue that say the Ukraine has been the chief violator of the Minsk 2 by shelling them 31 times when they are the verified violators by the OSCE and JCCC or the Ukraine is getting ready for an invasion of eastern Ukraine thus their need to pull their heavy weapons up to the Minsk 2 contact line and on and on.

    OR they launch a major ground attack verified by OSCE and THEN claim it was the Ukrainians who attacked them.

    They simply take what they will be doing and reverse flip it ---arguing it is what the Ukrainians will be doing--you see this well presented in this interview.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0P41SQ20150624

    World | Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:37am EDT
    Related: World, Russia

    Russian former leader of Ukraine rebels warns of 'big war'

    MOSCOW | By Anton Zverev

    Strelkov also fought as a GRU officer with Serbian mercenaries in Kosovo and is reported to be wanted for war crimes there.
    What is interesting about this small piece of propaganda is the term "half frozen"--in the West media it is often talked about--that eastern Ukraine will sink into a typical Russian "frozen conflict" such as we see in Moldaiva and Georgia.

    What has happen though is that Russia has been effectively "frozen" in their own actions in the eastern Ukraine---meaning they have vastly overreached their timeline and war costs are eating them up and even their own elite Spetsnaz are not able to get a decisive ground breakthrough on the contact line and the Ukrainian Army is showing a surprising resilence that Russia has vastly underestimated.

    The entire eastern Ukraine Russian adventure is costing them a now estimated 40-50M USD per day and that is up from initially 35M per day or say at 40M USD per day 1.2B USD per month.

    Russia is now totally responsible for financially supporting the Donbass, feeding the Donbass, providing fuel, electricity and gas and must provide jobs and social services--that is why they keep complaining that the Ukraine should be doing it under Minsk 2.

    This is not what they envisioned when they started their anti Ukraine UW campaign.

    At some point they will be faced with a critical decision --go for the entire Ukraine or pull out--keeping the Donbass in limbo will kill them economically.
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    A Quick & Easy guide to reporting #Russia's Troll army. Time 4 #Ukraine to fight back @EuromaidanPress pic.twitter.com/LftT3pYdfo

    Russia #propaganda #trolls' tactics uncovered by #ylekioski (ENG) List of troll-infested int'l forums included. http://kioski.yle.fi/omat/troll-piece-2-english

    Says Kremlin shill GWP who has Russian GRU as armed escort while illegally filming 'child-based' agitprop in #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/F6M6onahMV

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    Have grown to "love" the Russian propaganda 4Ds--dismiss, distract, distort, dismay designed to created the 2Ds--distrust and doubt.

    The Russian FM Lavrov is great at doing this----

    Classic Lavrov on Minsk process: "there are powers who would like to destroy this process, I won't name them. But such forces exist."

    Notice he simply states the sentence and yet he names absolutely no one but it is a subtle unspoken hint ---the Ukraine.

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    Putin is sick of Russian students & academics leaving for the West, & now he's putting everyone on notice. "Stahp." https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/06/24...tions-on-alert

    Drunk Russian dude beats friend to death for traveling abroad. Proudly tells cops he caught "an American spy." http://svpressa.ru/accidents/news/125681/

    BTW--the country with the highest requests for visa's for Russians to travel to--of all places the EU.

    So much for the near enemy?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Russia's Federation Council thinks events in Armenia are completely repeating first phase of coup in Ukraine.

    Russia: 'Events in #Armenia repeat 1st phase of #Ukraine coup.' Ditto Budapest '56, Prague '68
    ? #ElectricYerevan pic.twitter.com/yTuxF8Di4V
    The Kremlin fears a Ukraine-style revolt in Armenia http://www.bloombergview.com/article...ion-in-armenia

    youtube.com/watch?v=Jml_U9NRkpk … #ElectricYerevan LIVE. Could that yellow-blue guy be a CIA agent fr #Ukraine?pic.twitter.com/EfaOFrazl4

    If Moscow Fails to Understand that Yerevan is Not a Maidan, That Alone Could Make It One, Markedonov Says http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.com...tand-that.html

    Russia practically controls the entire #Armenia's energy sector: http://neweasterneurope.eu/articles-...enian-protests

    We will Win crowds chant at #ElectricYerevan protest @artakjournalist reporting 4 @CivilNetTV http://civilnet.am/live pic.twitter.com/2tnUNEdDqu
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    Ukrainian troops from the 37th Brigade and soldiers from Regiment Azov hoisted the Zaporozhye flag in #Shyrokyne. pic.twitter.com/Jco1lfvTrP

    Flag is in 17 meters altitude and can be seen from all over the village.

    Sympathetic, human, tragic, beautiful bit of film making. Both sides of the lines in Ukraine. Watch it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiYTp3sv2tw

    youtube.com/watch?v=2hhLSh_NEgM … #Donetsk connection! Western 'information soldiers' fighting for #Russia in #Ukraine meet up. pic.twitter.com/atCvZsHtAu

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    Reference the shot down of MH17----

    In new #MH17 video, Ukrainian separatist minister misspeaks, saying "the rocket att... eh, the catastrophe". http://nos.nl/l/2043247 via @NOS

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    The shellings and ground attacks are intense tonight--maybe due to failure of talks in Paris.


    Shyrokyno
    22:00 -battle continues, our fighters opened fire w the permitted weapons, enemy artillery attacks ceased https://twitter.com/UaForces/status/613785370342359040

    Donetsk NW, different caliber booms and bangs https://twitter.com/relictDon/status/613785769266794497

    Dzerzhynsk 22:06
    Explosions in the distance https://twitter.com/dimetros7776/sta...85268219453440

    Donetsk 22:08
    In the north various types of volleys/explosions https://twitter.com/relictDon/status/613785769266794497

    Peski was shelled with Grad MLRS [by russians], Donetsk 22:12 https://twitter.com/PVB40/status/613786842471755776

    Combat is on in #Shyrokyne. Militants shell Ukr forces w heavy weapons after 2quiet days. Salvos audible in #Mariupol http://www.0629.com.ua/news/868760

    #Donetsk
    22:08 Proletarskyi ds - individual volleys, quieter, then louder
    22:10 small series and frequent volleys https://twitter.com/DoneckiiPatriot/...86331110617088

    22:05
    "Now again something like GRADs, but closer, #Donetsk, Rosa" https://twitter.com/0954771/status/613784951939563520

    Horlivka 22:31
    From Stroitel could be seen several flashes towards Nikitovka, #Mayorsk https://twitter.com/062_Region/statu...91628243922944

    Horlivka 22:07
    Heavy rumble started tow. mine 6/7, ongoing battle with tanks https://twitter.com/062_Region/statu...85592963461121

    Heavy fighting in #Shyrokyne again. Some #Azov fighters injured by #Russia|n mortar fire.
    pic.twitter.com/LqxrrVHqaT

    BREAKING: Battle is underway in Shyrokyne, Mariupol residents hear gunfire http://en.censor.net.ua/n341386

    Video said to show Russian-backed militants firing mortars on Donetsk. https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=7wwJWws34yU

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    VIDEO Two towers: Russian sniper and lookout positions at #Pisky
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibnohdo0Flw
    https://www.google.com/maps/@48.0540.../data=!3m1!1e3

    Just look how much ammo #Russia's forces have piled up behind GWP next to this #Donbas residential block!
    pic.twitter.com/ibCFyKshyv

    The US mercenary says,"I joined the info war" & GWP approves,"A guy like u comes on board".."an information soldier"https://youtu.be/2hhLSh_NEgM?t=2m42s

    VIDEO Lugansk Airport shows what the Russian strategy is: give us what we want or we will TOTALLY destroy it/you.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGtfeD5QyoY

    Two #Russia|n tanks & a large cache of ammo next to a Donbas residential block behind GWP & a US mercenary
    pic.twitter.com/t4KeiSsV7H

    VIDEO Some T-72Б of a Russian 'DPR' tank brigade occupying Donbas.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHVsB0HSS5g … pic.twitter.com/iStPyfEVgO

    VIDEO Russia Hybrid Army plowing #Shyrokine beach and sea with artillery.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs7Tf7sgemY

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    VIDEO Using cover of swimming children a Russian Hybrid Soldier checks out Ukrainian position
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXtywtSDra4 … pic.twitter.com/eSi2Uvqbx3

    VIDEO Ukrainan soldier helping an old man still living in #Pisky because he has nowhere to go. #amazing
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeLgvhMbVgo

    VIDEO Ukrainian mortar team defending #Marinka against Russian attackers and invaders.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVjA6gkt5hA

    VIDEO Russian military convoy of APCs in Crimea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLSvtgWKhVY

    Russian Officer Awarded Order of Courage for the Donbas War: https://en.informnapalm.org/officer-...he-donbas-war/ … via @en_informnapalm pic.twitter.com/lE6HeKTXk8

    @LUGANSK_TODAY
    Terrorists used MRLS to destroy infrastructure in #Ukraine controlled part of #Lugansk Region. http://lugansk-news.com/terrorists-s...ugansk-region/ … pic.twitter.com/IewgnA4PUg

    VIDEO Ukrainian mortar team defending #Marinka against Russian attackers and invaders.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVjA6gkt5hA

    VIDEO Russian military convoy of APCs in Crimea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLSvtgWKhVY

    Video [18+] released how #Ukrainian troops save life of Russian tank driver who attacked them at city of #Debaltseve https://youtu.be/mt1YIBB3t_M

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    youtube.com/watch?v=RKFZQn-eFws … #Zhirinovsky: #Russia can 'burn half of #Kyiv,' must 'threaten #Brussels, #Warsaw.' pic.twitter.com/CJBV2d5HRG

    We see clear, irrefutable evidence of Russian command & control support of mil ops in #Ukraine -@USArmyEurope Hodges http://goo.gl/W1BLhH

    Lieutenant General Ben Hodges: "Russia is actively and massively fueling this conflict" http://osce.usmission.gov/jun_23_15_asrc_ukraine.html

    Russia|n tank brigade in #Torez, Eastern #Ukraine
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHVsB0HSS5g

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    Still think Russia wants to annex eastern Ukraine----

    Zakharchenko: DNR will issue their passports only after the recognition of the Republic. http://russian.rt.com/article/99420 What's going on there?

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