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    Hat tip to Red Rat for spotting this long report on the sectarian killing spree underway in Iraq. The focus is on ISIS and what appear to be new, local allies - following the Syrian model - and the murders in jails before ISIS arrived:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ing-party.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    Hat tip to Red Rat for spotting this long report on the sectarian killing spree underway in Iraq. The focus is on ISIS and what appear to be new, local allies - following the Syrian model - and the murders in jails before ISIS arrived:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ing-party.html
    “We feed them and keep them healthy and if the ISIL managed to free them, they will immediately resume fighting us,” the police captain who acknowledged the executions in Hilla said.
    “We have to defend ourselves by executing those criminals.”

    I heard this often from members of the Special Police Wolf Brigade in 2005---it seems to never die out under the Shia.

    The second Hilla police officer said summary executions were routinely carried out by army and police forces.
    “First thing we do is to shoot them in foot and then take their confessions. Then we kill them and write in report they were killed in action,” he said, also on condition of anonymity.

    We were seeing multiple forms of Sunni torturing by Shia police/Shia military already in 2005 and still could not get it under control by 2011. We never did stop the illegal prisons being run by the Shia starting in 2005.

    http://www.arabnews.com/news/593291

    This type of summary killings and torture of accused Sunni’s by Shia ISF has been a major problem for the last two years under Malaki and one of the main reasons for the Sunni uprising.

    The problem I have with current US policy is that by continuing to support Malaki it appears we the US approve of the Sunni killings and torture especially because we have absolutely nothing in compromises by Malaki.

    By the way these types of killings and torture of Sunni by Shia began by the ISF even before the 2005 elections and we never did fully stop it although we were fully aware that it was going on.
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    Here we go...

    Thousands of Indian Muslims signing up for Iraq

    Thousands of Muslims in India have signed up to defend Iraq’s shrines and, if need be, fight militants in the country where the civilian death toll from the Sunni insurgents’ advance is estimated at least 1,300.

    Denouncing the militants of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) as terrorists, these Indian Muslims have filled out forms, complete with passport-size photographs and photocopied identification documents, to travel to Iraq.
    ... still waiting for a mea culpa from the guys who insisted there would be no spill over from Syria.

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    This week I read, but cannot now find, a UK-based Shia cleric has given a sermon that British Shia do not need to volunteer to serve in Iraq. The leading Iraqi Shia leader, Sistani, has also stated his plea for Shias to defend their shrines etc was for Iraqis only and they are to serve under government orders.
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    Default Saudia Arabia: we have a problem

    This week Richard Barrett, ex-diplomat (UK & UN posts) and now with the Soufan Group, commented that trained Saudi military personnel are defecting to ISIS. He drew attention to the oddity in a February 2014 statement by the King that fighting abroad meant a five year prison sentence for citizens and seven and half years for those who serve in the military.

    His estimate, based on visits to Saudi Arabia, was that 2,500-3,000 have gone to fight; with three hundred in rehab centres (maybe intercepted before leaving or returned).

    In my background reading this week I found suggestions that the Saudi army were deploying to the northern border (maybe easier to defect then?).

    There is a thread on Saudi Arabia, so this will be copied there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMA View Post
    Here we go...

    Thousands of Indian Muslims signing up for Iraq



    ... still waiting for a mea culpa from the guys who insisted there would be no spill over from Syria.
    There will always be spill over until the Sunni and Shia finally settle their heretical differences from 1400 years ago.

    Believe the Indian Shia should though pay more attention to Modi than the ISIS as he s closer to them than is ISIS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Believe the Indian Shia should though pay more attention to Modi than the ISIS as he s closer to them than is ISIS.
    They probably will once they return from Iraq with some military experience...

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    I have seen reports on blog sites that both Saudi Arabia and Jordan have mobilised armoured divisions and moved them to their respective borders with Iraq. It would be highly unusual for them not to do considering the current situation. The issues for both Saudi Arabia and Jordan are:

    1) How reliable are their armed forces?

    2) Whether to contain or actively get involved.

    Saudi Arabia military on highest alert
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    Elsewhere on SWC we have discussed the possible reaction from China (PRC) to loss of its investments abroad and the impact of "kith & kin" with Chinese nationals working abroad:
    State media say more than 1,200 Chinese workers who had been trapped in the embattled northern Iraqi city of Samarra have been evacuated to Baghdad.....China Machinery Engineering Corporation employed the workers at a power plant construction site in Samarra.....More than 10,000 Chinese are in Iraq, many of them employees with Chinese firms.
    Link:http://mainichi.jp/english/english/n...in025000c.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Rat View Post
    I have seen reports on blog sites that both Saudi Arabia and Jordan have mobilised armoured divisions and moved them to their respective borders with Iraq. It would be highly unusual for them not to do considering the current situation. The issues for both Saudi Arabia and Jordan are:

    1) How reliable are their armed forces?

    2) Whether to contain or actively get involved.

    Saudi Arabia military on highest alert
    Saudia armored unit officers have been trained over the last seven years on an yearly basis at the NTC---actually quite good on the armored recon side of things. They grasp well the use of armor in desert environments.

    Jordanian army SF trained by US SF for a long number of years.

    Would be more interested in if the KSA AF goes to alert status as well as the Jordanian AF.

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