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Old 01-03-2016   #1
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Default Armed militia, Bundy brothers take over federal building in rural Oregon

'Terrorism'? Political street theater? Separate thread until more solid news floats to the top of the media bowl.

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An armed militia took over a building at a national wildlife refuge in Oregon late Saturday and vows to occupy the outpost for years to protest the federal government’s treatment of a pair of ranchers facing prison time.

The occupation of a portion of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge 30 miles southeast of Burns, Ore., followed a peaceful march for ranchers Dwight Hammond, 73, and Steven Hammond, 46, who are scheduled to report to federal prison in San Pedro, Calif., on Monday after being convicted of arson, according to the Oregonian.

Prosecutors said the father and son set the fire, which burned about 130 acres in 2001 on leased federal land, to conceal poaching, according to CNN. The Hammonds argued that they were attempting to reduce the growth of invasive plant species and ward off potential wildfires. The pair was sentenced to five years in prison.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/arm...cid=spartandhp

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-no...ith_quiet.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/03/us...est/index.html
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Two Federalist writers found themselves squaring off on Twitter about reports that a band of 100 to 150 men have seized public property in Oregon to protest the prosecution of two American ranchers accused of terrorism for allegedly starting controlled-burn fires to manage their land. Read more about that here.

Kurt Schlichter is a trial lawyer, writer, and retired Army colonel who holds a masters in Strategic Studies at the U.S. Army War College. Tom Nichols is an author and a professor at the Naval War College. The views expressed here are their own.
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Federal authorities are planning to cut off the power of the wildlife refuge in Oregon that has been taken over by militia, exposing the armed occupiers to sub-zero temperatures in an effort to flush them out.
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A lengthy article in The Guardian, which appears to cover all sides:http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...residents-wary

It appears some think the media circus around the armed militia has damaged the local causes.
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Homeland Security Looked Past Antigovernment Movement, Ex-Analyst Says:

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Daryl Johnson once worked in the branch of the Department of Homeland Security that studied the threats posed by antigovernment groups. His former office was shut down more than five years ago.

But when members of an armed group took over a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon last week, Mr. Johnson was not surprised.

In 2009, the former analyst wrote a report that warned of a growing antigovernment movement and the possible recruitment of returning military veterans that could “lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone-wolf extremists.”

His words drew fierce criticism from Republican lawmakers and conservative news media, labeling the report an unfair assessment of legitimate criticisms of the government. The document was retracted after Janet Napolitano, who was then the Homeland Security secretary, apologized to veterans, and the Extremism and Radicalization Branch was quietly dismantled.
Surprising and not not surprising at all. The vast US security appartus with it's astonishing budgets should really be able to use some of those ressources to look at homegrown threats, but if partisan politics intervene things tend to become, well, politicized.

This doesn't mean that errors won't be made and attacks would't be comitted but at least the government should try hard to protect it's citiziens. That goes in a different sense for Europe as well, which tends sometimes to be not so keen on other issues and threats...
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Default 2009 DHS report on violent extremism

The DHS report cited by Firn above is documented and debated n this thread:http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/...ead.php?t=7094
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Default Fizzling out: four occupiers left

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Federal agents on Wednesday closed in on the last four anti-government militants still holed up in a wildlife reserve in Oregon after a 40-day armed occupation, the FBI said in a statement. The Federal Bureau of Investigation said no shots have been fired and that negotiations to end the occupation at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge without violence were continuing.

The four protesters were indicted last week along with 12 others previously arrested on charges of conspiring to impede federal officers during the standoff at the compound.
Link:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...fe-refuge.html

A longer BBC report:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35547168
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Default Patience and more than one bonus

A short article 'Patience: The FBI's Strategy to End the Oregon Standoff and Nab Cliven Bundy':http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...rrests/462525/
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https://books.pronoun.com/the-battle-over-bunkerville/

The Battle Over Bunkerville: The Bundys, The Federal Government and the New Militia Movement.

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It was the largest armed uprising against the federal government in a generation. Armed militiamen from across the country rallied to the aid of a Nevada ranching family and forced federal agents to back down. But that was only the beginning.
This is a short e-book produced by Frontline, it only takes a few minutes to read it. In some respects it reminds of the Arab Spring, note I said some respects. People fed up with what they saw as overreach by the federal government combined with social media led to a rapid mobilization that overwhelmed security forces. This all starts with turtles. Continuing development that led to the expansion of Las Vegas led to the endangerment of a particular species of turtles. This in turn led to federal lands in the area that were previously used by ranchers to become protected areas. This move forced several ranchers out of business, but Bundy and his family decided to fight back.

During an initial verbal confrontation with law enforcement a federal agent tasered Bundy twice, and this was captured on video (YouTube) and went viral overnight. Federal law enforcement said this is what led to the category five hurricane. While the feds expected some local resistance, they did not expect hundreds of armed militia from around the country to show up, and eventually win the confrontation with law enforcement (a tactical win for the militia, due to a wise strategic move by the feds to withdraw to avoid unneeded violence).

As the e-book explains this was just the beginning, although Bundy was arrested later, the militia continued (maybe continues to) to coordinate operations in other locations that they thought the federal government was overreaching. One couple that stayed at the Bundy's ranch, went to Las Vegas and killed two police officers and a civilian before they were killed.

Overtime I'll post more, because this isn't the same militia movement we saw in the 90s, the character of it has changed. Actually this article in The Guardian does a good job of capturing that.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-us-government

They hate the US government, and they're multiplying: the terrifying rise of 'sovereign citizens'
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They hate the US government, and they're multiplying: the terrifying rise of 'sovereign citizens'
Either by accident or planned Bill has placed his finger on something I just keep posting and posting and posting.....

America has the ability "to drift into fascism with a smile" what you saw with this single event was the tip of the iceberg and it has been drifting just under the surface since Oklahoma City...

While we as a nation get literally all worked up about jihadists we have failed to see that we have among us "white jihadists" who are supported by an ideology most of us would think crazy. From black copters to federal surveillance of everything we do to hating of IRS....and the list goes on....

Why do we after every single US jihadist attack think we have a network behind it AND then somehow sweep the McVeigh Oklahoma City attack under the rug as the work of two lone wolves.....

A 4000 lb chemical bomb using fertilizer and diesel fuel has to be mixed by hand so these two guys just mixed and mixed and mixed and yet no one saw it happen....

So as in the Sunni jihadi world no one made the bomb and then simply delivered it....?

We as a nation never really fully demanded a complete and thorough investigation into the attack...why....no one wanted to place any belief into a possible right wing side being potentially involved even though concrete leads were apparent....we were "sold" the story..we have captured all participants...BUT we demanded a Congressional investigation in 9/11 and Benghazi but never did for OC......

There was also an underlining thought why it did not go further...."Americans could not possible kill other Americans"....BUT in the world of terrorism the ultra right attacks objects that stand in the place of the "government" and OC was just such a target....

Secondly, these armed militia elements literally took off with the election of Obama....check the yearly FBI stats...and it ties into the last eight years of "Obama is going to take your guns away from you mantra"....BTW did we not see than same mantra used by Trump at virtually all of his rallies and did he not once "allude" to using the 2nd Amendment to resolve the Clinton problem????

Actually this movement has been with us since 1970...it developed out of the "blacks are going to revolt and we need to defend ourselves" which grew out of the "blacks are getting more benefits from the government than do whites" which came out the Johnson anti poverty campaign...and civil rights era....

THEN we can jump forward to the Trump campaign that unleased a massive barrage of ethnic profiling and allowed the US ultra right fringe groups to gain "creditability" ie white nationalists and white surpremacists....who did in fact support Trump and believe that support allows them the right to do what they want...against anyone non white...

See Portland this week with the killing of two men who intervened in a white surpremacist verbal attacks on two Muslim females...and whose twitter account beams with praise for the KKK, US Nazi Party and Trump....

What is not being mentioned is .....check the racial and ethnic make up of the group involved all white....and I am betting all Trump voters....

Notice many outside of this area and not into cattle and farming do not realize the vast amounts of land the federal government has under its control...BUT WAIT gazing on this federal lands is actually far cheaper than having to purchase grazing land in those areas and the federal yearly grazing costs are cheap....and there was an outrage when they were raised last year which was a normal process...it has always for this ranching and farming group just been considered a cost of production and a cheap cost at that.

We can debate who actually owns all of this land and some Native Americans might like to reclaim it....as it was taken from them to begin with under various US government so called peace treaties...but that is another story.

Protecting an endangered species is not a subject this group ever wants to hear....but when asked if they realize the extent the government goes through to protect them on federal property they might be surprised....

If they would see a US Army Abrams on the full top speed barrelling across the NTC come to total stop because a desert turtle was just spotted and then having to wait for a turtle recovery team to arrive...they might have another opinion....

OR the time the NTC spent 2M USDs on a study to determine if they could move several turtle groups to a new area and discovered that it is not that easy after all 24 turtles decided to meander back to their original areas after being moved ever so gently 24 miles to a new location...and they all had GPS.

OR when Ft. Bragg shuts down firing ranges because a of protected woodpecker.....

Turtles are just an excuse to stand up to the "government" and these militias are now a serious growing threat to the government...and why...driven by social media....

By the way these militias if one really researches them stem from the US wide KKK political movement of the late 20s early 30s that the FBI shut down as it was seen as a right wing white surpremacist threat to the government...and then if one digs deeper into the Reconstruction Era of US history...

But again a serious thread that should be pushed and followed up on as this problem is only going to grow...

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This is an interesting article in that it really does get to the heart of information warfare..or the weaponizing of information....be it Russian and or in this case "right wing" and or "anti government"....while it dates from 1985 it goes to the heart of this thread and the issues ongoing right now with Trump Russian connections...


Demoralisation process can be easily reverted - first of all by restricting import of Russian Propaganda - Bezmenov.

https://youtu.be/5gnpCqsXE8g

Demoralization, Destabilization, Insurgency, Normalization
https://mcalvanyintelligenceadvisor....-normalization

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This amazing interview was done back in 1985 with a former KGB agent who was trained in subversion techniques. He explains the 4 basic steps to socially engineering entire generations into thinking and behaving the way those in power want them to. It’s shocking because our nation has been transformed in the exact same way, and followed the exact same steps.
Interviewer, G. Edward Griffin: Our conversation is with Mr. Yuri Alexandrovich Bezmenov. Mr. Bezmenov was born in 1939 in a suburb of Moscow. He was the son of a high ranking Soviet Army officer. He was educated in the elite schools inside the Soviet Union and became an expert in Indian culture and Indian languages. He had an outstanding career with Novesti, which was the, and still is, I should say, the Press arm or the press agency of the Soviet Union. It turns out that this is a front for the KGB. He escaped to the West in 1970 after becoming totally disgusted with the Soviet System. And he did this at great risk to his life. He is certainly one of the world’s experts on the subject of Soviet propaganda and disinformation and active measures.
When the Soviets use the phrase ideological subversion, what do they mean by it?
Yuri Bezmenov: Ideological subversion is the process which is legitimate, overt and open. You can see it with your own eyes. All you have to do -- all American mass media has to do -- is to unplug their bananas from their ears, open up their eyes and they can see it. There is no mystery. There is nothing to do with espionage.
I know that espionage -- intelligence gathering -- looks more romantic. It sells more deodorants through their advertising, probably. That’s why your Hollywood producers are so crazy about James Bond type, in free words.
But in reality, the main emphasis of the KGB is not in the area of intelligence at all. According to my opinion and the opinion of many defectors of my caliber only about fifteen percent of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other eighty-five percent is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, or active measures, (~Activitia perionachia, in the language of the KGB), or psychological warfare. What it basically means is to change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that despite the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interests of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country. It’s a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages. The first one being demoralization.
It takes from fifteen to twenty years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years which requires to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of the enemy. In other words Marxist-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least three generations of American students without being challenged or counter-balanced by the basic values of Americanism, American patriotism. …
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Either by accident or planned Bill has placed his finger on something I just keep posting and posting and posting......
Goes to what I have posted.....WHEN did the far right and some right and the far left and some left join forces in the US with Russia against the US.......very valid question.......??

How many people in the US will be murdered by white supremacists before the US admits it has a problem? 3 in past week alone. AND not a single TWEET from the Trump WH....
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Bill,

I found this letter by Al Barrus gave some context to the extremism from the "right", but first the context:
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Al Barrus is the estranged son of Lloyd Barrus and half brother of Marshall Barrus, both accused of murdering Broadwater County Sheriff Deputy Mason Moore during a late night traffic stop last week.
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I believe that we, as a community and in our personal lives, must take domestic anti-government militia extremism and white supremacy seriously. The popularity of these movements right now, like the white supremacist alt-right, is a serious concern. These hateful ideas can quickly lead to violence. I hope I can bring this to attention in some little way.
Link:http://www.missoulacurrent.com/opini...rrus-violence/
I found this explanation of the murder:http://www.odmp.org/officer/23252-de...ff-mason-moore
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David...this goes to you posting.....

Remember when Trump removed white supremacists from the Countering Violent Extremism program to focus only on Islam?

And this is how the neo-Nazi site Daily Stormer responded: "Trump is setting us free."
http://www.dailystormer.com/trump-to...t-neo-nazis/#…
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From an American Muslim living in Portland where a white supremacist killed two men who were trying to stop him from verbally harassing two Muslim women....

We talk about "jihadi radicalization" but never about ultra right and or ultra left "radicalization" do we????

Response from a proTrump white nationalist twitter account.....

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Muslims raise $100K in 8 hrs for families of #Portland heroes killed while defending 2 Muslim women from harassment:
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Just prior to this killing by a white surpremacist in Portland there were two proTrump and white nationalist rallies held..one by a "Free Speech" group and one by "The Proud Boys"..both white nationalists with a tad of white supremacist thrown in that the killer attended just prior to this killing...

BOTH of these white nationalist groups are organizing the following rally...

ACT for America's "March Against Sharia" Official Facebook Page

Full of Racist Anti-Muslim Sentiment

In this article by The Southern Poverty Law Center that tracks hate groups and their actions in the US and is a major source of information on these groups....

You will notice the mentioning of "anti Government" and far right groups multiple times....

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/...r2H0Hw.twitter


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ACT for America, the largest grassroots anti-Muslim group in the country, announced plans to hold nationwide rallies dubbed the “March Against Sharia” on June 10.#
To date, events are scheduled in 23 cities covering 18 states. The march is primarily being organized by ACT for America staffer Scott Ryan Presler, a man who runs the closed Facebook group being used to plan the events. The group also indicates that ACT is recruiting the services of anti-government groups to act as security for the rallies.
The Facebook page, created just over a month ago on April 23, currently has over 1,500 members.# The racist and violent content directed toward Islam and Muslims is plentiful:
“I have to disagree. I beleave [sic] we use any force needed to remove these islamic muslim Refugees terrorist [sic] from this country and are [sic] way of life” said Charles Chew on May 13.
A May 9 post by Greg Meyer shows former President Barak Obama with a noose around his neck with the words “I look forward to this every day!!!” Theresa Lawver responded to Meyer’s post writing, “Me too and it WILL happen. President Trump is a genius!!”
In a comment following a post about Women’s March leader Linda Sarsour, Virgina Salamino Martinez wrote, “This bitch should be deported. She’s a terrorist.” Charles Chew returned on May 17 to write, “Kill all muslim terrorist [sic] in America.”
On May 11, Todd Adam Wyman wrote, “Why don’t we all just go to Dearborn, MI, and take our country back? Since when did any of us vote for Sharia Law to be allowed. It should be a crime.”
In a May 6 comment, Debi Baker Whitelaw wrote, “I agree! The USA is a Judeo/Christian nation and the Muslim nations want to destroy Israel and us.” Sharon Cromwell followed it up with, “We need to reclassify islam [sic] as a terrorist hate group, not a religion. It is an evil ideology invented by a murderous, insane pedophile!!!”
On May 20, Diana Torre posted an article from a fake news site linking refugees to disease with the comment, “Stop the insanity…proper vetting means no immigrants with communicable diseases…stop the invasion!” Allen Crouser was the first to comment, writing, “What do you expect their [sic] filth.”
Talking about Muslims in a comment Maryann Gallardo wrote, “Like a cancer in the body they are a cancer to our Nation [sic].”#
In comments responding to an article about a separate swimming pool being opened for Muslim women in Australia, Debbie Cesar wrote, “They’ll still defecate in the water. Nothing but heathens.” Susan Pawley followed up, “I’m surprised at this. I was of the understanding that Australia wasn’t about to cater to these rag heads.”
Sherine Elgammal posted on May 16 “Muslim men are brought up with cravings of rape, child sex, and sex slaves, etc.” Sam Bishop described Muslims as “maggots” in a post. Poindexter McBean followed up with “Even maggots have purpose in science.”#
Amongst the racist posts and memes, activists are providing updates about the progress of organizing the events, additions of locations and speakers. There is also evidence that ACT is reaching out to anti-government groups to act as security for the rallies on June 10, a trend that SPLC has documented recently.
According to Lisa Gee, one of the March Against Sharia organizers — the Oath Keepers, one of the largest anti-government groups in the U.S. — and three percenters or III%ers, a subsection of the anti-government movement that harbors anti-Muslim views are both set to provide security at some of the events on June 10. According to the Facebook page, the Oath Keepers will be providing security at the rally in San Bernardino. Oath Keepers claims to have some 30,000 members, mostly former and present law enforcement, military or first responders. The group and its leader, Stewart Rhodes, have endorsed a 22-page essay called “Tet, Take Two,” that says Islam and international socialism have teamed up against Western nationalism. A purported member of the West Coast Patriots III% Patriot Corp division has also posted in the Facebook group along some militiamen from Michigan. It is unclear at this time whether they will be providing security at events on June 10.
The far-right Proud Boys group, whose members have attended several rallies around the country, have also confirmed they will attend at some of the June 10 events. The Facebook page also indicates that Isaac Smith is organizing the rally in Richmond, Virginia. Smith is an associate of Alt-Right activist Jason Kessler, who has been arrested twice in recent months during his activism to stop the removal of Confederate monuments. Kessler was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct for attempting to incite the crowd with a bullhorn at Confederate memorial rally in Charlottesville, VA, on May 13. Kessler was also arrested in January after getting into an altercation while gathering signatures for the attempted recall of City Council member Wes Bellamy, an African-American community leader who has spoken out in favor of removing Confederate memorials.
In recent months, ACT for America’s national leadership has been very vocal about members staying on message, firing one prominent chapter leader after he allegedly advertised an event to teach activists how to “shut down” mosques. ACT sent a warning email to its members stating, “In no way, does our organization advocate, or tolerate bigotry, or threats of violence toward anyone, especially because of which God they may choose to worship” and following it up with, “To be clear: any ACT for America member that propagates such ideas antithetical to the values of our organization will have their membership revoked immediately.” Yet despite this warning, the March for Sharia’s Facebook page, which is run by ACT national, is chock-full of despicable racist material.
It remains to be seen how successful ACT’s upcoming events will be, but with the recruitment of anti-government groups and the far-right Proud Boys, the potential for violence increases.#
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THIS is now where the circle closes and Trump is in the mix....

The ultra rightist group "Proud Boys" has a militant element that is willing to confront both police and anyone who demonstrates against them....AND OR Trump

REMEMBER the two rallies held by anti Trump groups on the campus of Un. of California Berkeley that broke into fighting ..."Proud Boys" led the fighting and that led to a Trump tweet threatening to cut funds to the university for their "failure to protect free speech".......

The fighting was led by a Kyle Chapman ("Based Stickman"), a violent known felon who leads the "military division" of the Proud Boys.

.@tsgnews just put up an amazing file on the alt-right's new hero, Kyle Chapman, aka Based StickMan. This is him:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documen...173908#…

THIS is exactly why I have been saying since the Trump campaign...the "dog whistles of hate" that Trump repeatedly used during his rallies and he still uses them even now as President are coming back to haunt the US...
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Just prior to this killing by a white surpremacist in Portland there were two proTrump and white nationalist rallies held..one by a "Free Speech" group and one by "The Proud Boys"..both white nationalists with a tad of white supremacist thrown in that the killer attended just prior to this killing...

BOTH of these white nationalist groups are organizing the following rally...

ACT for America's "March Against Sharia" Official Facebook Page

Full of Racist Anti-Muslim Sentiment

In this article by The Southern Poverty Law Center that tracks hate groups and their actions in the US and is a major source of information on these groups....

You will notice the mentioning of "anti Government" and far right groups multiple times....

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/...r2H0Hw.twitter
Also notice the mentioning of the use of fakes news and fakes news blogsites....part and parcel of information warfare being used inside the US by Americans against Americans....

BTW...some of their fake news has in fact come via Russian troll accounts...that is then repeated on US twitter and or FB accounts.....
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From an American Muslim living in Portland where a white supremacist killed two men who were trying to stop him from verbally harassing two Muslim women....

We talk about "jihadi radicalization" but never about ultra right and or ultra left "radicalization" do we????

Response from a proTrump white nationalist twitter account.....

NOTE
Muslims raise $100K in 8 hrs for families of #Portland heroes killed while defending 2 Muslim women from harassment:
http://LaunchGood.com/Portland
Goal is 150K....
Imagine living in a country where you're stabbed by a white supremacist but your medical care has to be crowd funded.
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Old 05-28-2017   #20
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The Nazism you see all around you is as American as apple pie
https://nyti.ms/2qLqfiA

White supremacists have killed more people in the past week than refugee terrorists from Trump travel ban countries...in the last 40 years

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