that what is right can be arrived at by consensus (or application of law, which I did not say but is true, so we agree on that...) while what is moral is an individual construct. My morals and yours probably differ -- and ol' John Gotti probably differed in moral outlook to bofus.

I'd still like your opinion on the questions:

""...I'd appreciate it if you could name me a military effort by this country that was 'moral' in the sense I think you mean. I'm sure there's one out there but right now, I can't recall a one. You could also name me one that was a net minus for mankind or the country if you can think of one...""