So was the Russian “separatist movement” really an ethnic Russian speaking population trying to become rich the real reason behind Russian involvement in the Donbas—they simply got tired of their ethnic Russian oligarchs??
Donbosses”: “rebel” leaders in control of Donetsk’s economy (infographic) http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/08/2...y-infographic/ …
MAP-----
Basecamps and routes of militants (intelligence data) http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/28-augu...s-intelligence … pic.twitter.com/siP7YRUiSA
Another western mainstream media outlet picks up a Russian “weaponized information” report about Azov and runs with it without fact checking.Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09
Unlike @dailymail, @kyivpost actually visited the Azov children's camp and found that it's a normal camp http://www.kyivpost.com/multimedia/p...en-396138.html …
Graphics-----
Command at 1st and 2nd Russian Army Corps stationed in militant-controlled eastern #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/Clc5IA8Rva
In Russian---
Russian politician says: the only way to make Russians euphoric in face of growing discontent is to annex E. Ukraine
http://www.bbc.com/russian/russia/20...0828_rus_press …
VIDEO #Dnipropetrovsk #Ukraine SBU arrested dealers & seized arms cache w RPGs,old rifles etc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kb9EKBsEZw … pic.twitter.com/yJH3Xqm3YS
Russia as 1 of the sides in Ukr conflict may be denied the right to re-vote on tribunal #MH17 in UNSC https://twitter.com/Varfolomeev/stat...22159365722112 …
Humor------
Transcript of call between Obama & Merkel.
BO: "We are deeply concerned about Putin".
AM: "So are we".
Repeat for 45 mins.
This is the direct results of the Obama unilateral appeasement move demanded by Putin as a "sign of good faith" that he forced the Ukraine to concede to--this area was suppose to be a DMZ with OSCE observation towers.
1. the towers have never been built
2. the Azov BN/REGT which Putin demanded to be pulled out was and it was replaced by UAF Marines
3. the Russian only pulled back 1.3kms the UAF 15kms
4. during the latest round of fighting there not even the OSCE has shown up
And the fighting and shellings have not stopped---this is what one calls in the US--getting suckered by Putin.
20:01 #Bezimenne @huyovyvuyko Smoke cloud over #Shyrokyne, half-day ongoing battle. After wind shift 3 positions of RUS mortars are audible
VIDEO: Russian/Militant tank on the move in Donetsk today
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DJiz4v3_t00 … pic.twitter.com/lQuRQ8CdyM
Shame—great media investigative journalism—in Russian.
Novaya Gazeta on enrichment of #Girkin, #Zakharchenko, #Pushilin, #Khodakovsky through looting, fund tapping. In RU http://www.novayagazeta.ru/politics/69639.html …
Unconfirmed info about 1 Ukr servicemen KIA and 1 WIA at #Hranitne. https://twitter.com/pavlushkaserg/st...99284141064192 …
ATO press center reports situation in Donbas today as stable. Most militant activity came near Donetsk
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...64&__tn__=%2As …
MRO-A in #Ukraine with an interesting message #Thermobaric pic.twitter.com/SR6HXsJKUj
17:15 #Donetsk @AlfaNubovsky Along Mira tow/center a UAZ car w/emergency lights&flatbed truck for big vehicles moved. To fetch smth downed?
DNR issues it's own vehicle number plates, 4k since May. In Donetsk alone there was 300k cars. It says EVERYTHING about their support.
http://20committee.com/2015/08/28/ru...-in-ukraine-2/
Russia’s “Secret” Army in Ukraine
August 28, 2015
LEAST we forget--this is no longer a Russian non linear war--but rather a full blown interstate war being driven by Putin using Russian financing. Russian troops, Russian officers in all command and control positions, Russian mercenaries, Russian heavy weapons and munitions.Today the office of Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko released via Twitter important details about the organization and structure of Russia’s occupying army in Southeastern Ukraine. The order of battle (ORBAT) information is clearly derived from a lot of intelligence, especially SIGINT (I say this as someone who used to do ORBAT intelligence for a living: this is well done).
Since most of my readers know neither Russian or Ukrainian, I’m passing on what Kyiv has released today in English. The translation isn’t great but it works. I’m providing comments below since most normals are not well acquainted with the nuances of Russian military organization.
Russian Military Command, South-East Ukraine (Novocherkask):
Commanding Officer (CO): GenCol A N. Serdyukov [1]
1st Army Corps (“Donetsk People’s Republic” Military), HQ: Donetsk
CO: GenMaj A.V. Zavizyon [2]
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2nd Army Corps (“Luhansk People’s Republic” Military), HQ: Luhansk
CO: GenMaj Y. V. Nikiforov [3]
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The organization of the 1st and 2nd Corps, no surprise, corresponds exactly to the standard tables of organization and equipment (TO&E) of Russian Ground Forces. There are several maneuver brigades (“motor rifle” is the Russian term for mechanized in NATO parlance) supported by independent regiments and battalions. As Kyiv has announced, the 35,000 troops belonging to “DNR” and “LNR” forces are bolstered by 9,000 reservists. While some forty percent of the troops are locals, the rest are Russians plus a few mercenaries and foreign volunteers.
The senior command staff are exclusively Russian officers assigned to the 1st and 2nd Corps — officially they are “not there” of course — while the operation is run, logistically and command-wise, from neighboring Russia.
To anybody with a decent memory, this closely resembles the relationship during the 1992-95 Bosnian War, when the Bosnian Serb Army (VRS), while consisting largely of local rank-and-file troops, had most of its command, and nearly all of its financing and logistics, coming from neighboring Serbia and its military — which, in practice treated the VRS as merely as an extension of itself, as in fact it was.
Needless to add, the “DNR” and “LNR” militaries would not last twenty-four hours without constant command and logistical support from Putin’s military. They are an extension of Russian Ground Forces and should be treated as such by the West. It’s time to end, once and for all, any fiction about “rebels” — these are Russian-controlled forces, led by Russian officers, supplied with Russian guns and ammunition, that are waging war inside Ukraine.
Kudos to Kyiv for putting this important information out there as an aid to understanding what’s really going on in their country.
Comments:
1. AKA Sedov; GenCol is a Russian “three-star” rank.
2. AKA Pilen; GenMaj is a Russian “one-star” rank.
3. AKA Morgun; GenMaj is a Russian “one-star” rank.
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 08-28-2015 at 06:14 PM.
Russia "Delovaya Zhizn" article on compensation for dead & wounded soldiers before & after note on #Ukraine removed pic.twitter.com/x2YhHzL5zQ
Russian totally controlled Russia Today is desperately attempting to get the mainstream media to believe the originally posted article and then redacted is in fact a fake.
AND actually a number of MSM journalists and media outlets are actually running with the lead story that it is a fake having never apparently fact checked it with social media and their analysis.
RT is trying hard to "win" this "weaponized information war" as the KIA/WIA figures are actually high.
Cached #Russia article on compensation for soldiers #Ukraine before & After https://web.archive.org/web/20150822...hchie2015.html … & https://web.archive.org/web/20150824...hchie2015.html …
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 08-28-2015 at 07:15 PM.
Is Russia in the process of spinning out of control and becoming totally unmanageable in the race to the bottom to be the best food destroyer in the eyes of Putin and his propaganda media?
http://europe.newsweek.com/western-m...shelves-332162
Western Manufacturers Demand Explanation as Russia Takes Products off Shelves
By Damien Sharkov 8/28/15 at 1:00 PM
This is on top of confiscating/destroying 1.5 tons of meat for the German national motor car racing team competing in Russia --a Russian sponsored event.Russia has asked supermarkets to pull European and U.S. household brands such as Fairy liquid, Persil washing powder and others from their shelves after its government watchdog deemed them unsafe. Manufacturers are now questioning the decision behind for the removal, as experts warn more goods could be seized in the future.
Last Tuesday the Russian Federal Service for Surveillance on Consumer Rights Protection and Human Wellbeing (Rospotrebnadzor) ordered supermarkets to take a host of cleaning products made by EU and U.S. companies off their shelves such as Henkel, Procter & Gamble, Werner & Mertz GmbH, Colgate-Palmolive and The Clorox Company.
However, unlike previous cases of Russia seizing Western goods deemed "unsafe" by Russian state standards, no direct explanation was given to their manufacturers as to why Rospotrebnadzor asked supermarket chains to halt sales of their products.
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German-based Henkel, whose Persil washing powder and other detergents were on Rospotrebnadzor's list of unsafe items, said in a statement sent to Newsweek that their products had already passed mandatory government tests. What is more, some of Henkel's goods are produced in the Russian city of Perm and are not imported.
"All laundry and home care products we supply to the Russian market have received State Registration Certificates issued by the relevant authorities. This of course also holds true for all our powder laundry, detergents, which we manufacture in Russia," a spokesperson for the company says. "Therefore we are seeking dialogue with the relevant authorities to understand the background of their measures." The Henkel spokesperson says that Rospotrebnadzor had spoken with trade partners of the company but the manufacturer themselves still had no direct line of contact with the watchdog.
Clorox Company, who also had products removed, said they had not been sent details from the Russian agency's findings which alleged their products violated Russian safety codes and plan to conduct their own assessment on the matter. Meanwhile a spokesperson for Proctor and Gamble, whose Fairy dishwashing liquid was also deemed unsafe, seemed to echo those sentiments. "We believe Fairy Platinum Lime & Lemon is in compliance with the regulations in Russia and are seeking to work with the Rospotrebnadzor to resolve this matter as quickly as possible."
While Russia currently has sanctions on Western food imports such as cheese, meat and produce, in response to EU and U.S. sanctions imposed on Russian state businesses due to the Ukraine conflict, Rospotrebnadzor has sometimes restricted products which are not under sanctions. Most recently the watchdog halted sales of three different California-made wines earlier this month. In both cases, bans were issued on the grounds that products did not clear necessary health restrictions in Russia.
Some Russians took to social media to mock Rospotrebnadzor's decision, tweeting images of messy houses with sarcastic thanks to the watchdog, while others posted mock ups of detergent mascot Mr. Propper being arrested by Russian riot police.
Anna Popova, head of Rospotrebnadzor quickly appeared on national television after the statement was made to quell speculation that the watchdog was completely banning the products and insisted they would only pull batches believed were unsafe.
Lilia Shevtsova, Kremlinologist and Russia expert at the Brookings Institution believes that the seizing of Western products is a political one and more goods under sanctions will likely face similar investigations in future. "This will become practice. I can imagine the lower levels of the state apparatus sitting and racking their brains: 'What else could we check or sanction?' Running ahead of the leader is the test of loyalty and guarantee of survival."
With relations between Russia and the West at an all time low since the Cold War, Shevtsova believes sporadic or partial bans are a way for state bodies to ingratiate themselves to the Kremlin. "Rospotrebnadzor does not think about publicity or plans to respond to Europe, they don't care. They want to be in the Kremlin's mainstream," she adds.
Rospotrebnadzor could not be reached for comment, however they have repeatedly denied claims that their activity is motivated by politics. Shortly after their official statement the watchdog's head Anna Popova appeared on national Russian TV, explaining that the decision to pull detergents from shops was related to the rise in skin conditions in Russia and said the move would not be followed by a wholesale ban on Western detergents.
Putin destroys more good food. Meanwhile, 22% of Russia's population live below the poverty line. https://twitter.com/CSISRussia/statu...23818105569280 …
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 08-28-2015 at 07:41 PM.
ACTUALLY this is a key development and points to something I have posted here a number of times--one of the key reasons Russia has been fighting the Ukraine EU Association Agreement is the simple fact that Russian products would be barred from entering into the EU Free Trade Zone which the Ukraine will be part of SIMPLY because of their poor quality and failures to reach the common set of EU food, health and safety standards demanded of all countries trading in the EU.
Russia fears losing an estimated 500M-700M USDs in lost trade in the Ukraine if they must reach EU food, health and safety standards.
THUS their massive pushback on the EU Association Agreement with the Ukraine.
There some recent complaints coming out of the Russian occupied Ukraine that the products coming in from Russia were way overpriced and of poor quality.
21:03 #Makiivka @14720Maro [fb] Engines roar and clatter of tracks along #Donetsk bypass road in Makiivka Krylova St junction area
Belaya Kalitva: "Tanks and other mil. tech in the direction of Ukraine" http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/28-augu...other-mil-tech … pic.twitter.com/W0SsXr4e9H via @el_roosevelt
Appears Ukrainian water is not arriving in the Crimea----little wonder the crops this year were a disaster.
Krasnoperekopsk, #Crimea - North Crimean canal @CrimeaUA1 pic.twitter.com/iVgf0DIHdY
Krasnohorivka - The "depth" of the implementation of Minsk-2 by militants
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...00&__tn__=%2As … pic.twitter.com/S3cSR7PGFB
21:22 #Volnovakha @solomazheka Fire engines towards #Buhas checkpoint
@nektonh Turned from route ro #Blyzhne
@lapa545 Quiet in Blyzhne
Strangely quiet tonight on the shelling and ground attack front--not sure how to view the silence by the Russian troops and her mercenaries??????
Volnovakha @solomazheka Strange, for it seemed to be quite https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/637334974216171520 …
Tank of #DNR Сомали battalion turns up in RU, few km from UA border: https://archive.is/hYcs2 thx @5urpher pic.twitter.com/6qSRFvdj20 With MAP
Tank of DNR Somali battalion appeared in Russia
"Local rebels" invaded Rostov Region?
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 08-28-2015 at 07:24 PM.
Absolutely nothing to report--appears as if all Russian troops and her mercenaries are actually taking the evening off, or drunk, or gone home or actually holding to the Minsk 2 ceasefire for the first time since February 2015.
They are trying to put this thread out of business-----
BUT of course this could in fact be the true reason--remember the DNR leader claimed there was a general offense in progress and they were going to capture all of the Donbas region to include Mariupol.
http://www.unian.info/war/1116521-ru...nsive-sbu.html
Russia amasses heavy weapons and troops for Donbas offensive - SBU
28.08.2015 | 22:00
The Kremlin has been massing up a massive amount of heavy weaponry and troops in occupied areas of Donbas in eastern Ukraine, preparing for an offensive, according to the SBU chief Vasyl Hrytsak, an UNIAN correspondent reports.
"A large number of heavy weapons and heavy military equipment has been deployed in the occupied territories of Ukraine. There has been an echelon accumulation of significant amounts of fuel and lubricants, ammunition, personnel, to ensure carrying out active offensive operations. According to the plan of the General Staff [of the Russian Federation], the operations imply invasion of Russia’s armed forces," said Hrytsak at a briefing in Kyiv on August 28.
He also said that the resources are being deployed both by railway through uncontrolled segments of the Russian-Ukrainian border, and also via submerged crossings over the Siversky Donets river.
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 08-28-2015 at 07:35 PM.
Ukrainian officials confirm earlier reports that Russia closed its border with Donbas #Ukraine to men under 50 to stop "DNR" draft dodgers.
Stakhanov @elonline40 "Today guys from #UN in the city, maybe at least this night will be without shelling
Hate to write this--but it appears for some unknown strange reason there is silence along the entire demarcation front line tonight--at least not a single shelling and or ground attack report has drifted in.
Actually nice to see------better yet nice to not hear the shellings.
UAF and Ukrainian civilians need this break even if for one night.
Kind of sums it up----
22:34 #Krasnohorivka @hyeva_maryinka [vk] "We had a quiet day. Evening is calm. Anxiously waiting for quiet night".
Seems the Russian troops and her mercenaries have awoken-----
Horlivka 22:19
Mine 6/7 area, #Mayosk - battle started, small arms, mortars https://twitter.com/062_Region/statu...43835778084864 …
22:37 #Horlivka @_John__Carter_ At full moon #Horlivka 'awoke'. Sounds like salvos. Pretty far, unclear
Will pick up any shelling and ground attack reports tomorrow.
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 08-28-2015 at 07:52 PM.
Forbes story is a fake - says RT.
An update to Post 1833 from RT of all places.
A reminder first: 2k Russian dead and 3.2k invalids Whoops:RT maintains the story is a fabrication and points the "finger" at Kiev.According to Forbes, Russian news site Business Life (Delovaya Zhizn) revealed what seem to be official figures detailing the number of Russian troops killed and injured in "Eastern Ukraine." The site, which generally focuses on coverage of markets, finance and leisure, posted a piece entitled “Increases in Pay for Military in 2015,” that at first glance would be uncontroversial....
Paul Roderick Gregory continues in his translation, "as of 1 February 2015, monetary compensation had been paid to more than 2,000 families of fallen soldiers and to 3,200 military personnel suffering heavy wounds and recognized as invalids.”
Link:http://www.rt.com/news/313653-russia...s-fake-forbes/
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