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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Russian Soldier Promises His Friends to Kill Ukrainians 'the Same Way As Last Summer': https://en.informnapalm.org/russian-...s-last-summer/ … pic.twitter.com/WVAQ0KowLn

    21 Jul article by @en_informnapalm on (not necess' same) R-142N Radiostation spotted in the ‘Sparta’ Training Camp https://en.informnapalm.org/r-142n-r...training-camp/

    Ukrenergo asks SBU to verify "strange accidents" at Akhmetov’s facilities
    http://www.unian.info/economics/1108...acilities.html … pic.twitter.com/s8mGzrSHXC

    Dokuchaevsk @shuttle1907 "Half day RUS stir suspiciously. They didn't stir for a long time like this. Preparing something".
    http://www.unian.info/economics/1108...acilities.html

    Ukrenergo asks SBU to verify "strange accidents" at Akhmetov’s facilities

    05.08.2015 | 16:17

    Acting Director of state enterprise NPC Ukrenergo Yuriy Kasich addressed the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) to verify a number of "strange accidents" at the facilities of power generating companies, resulting in the necessity to cover the shortage of electricity by means of emergency supplies from the Russian Federation, as stated in a letter of Ukrenergo Acting Director sent to SBU chief Vasyl Hrytsak, referred to by Ukrainian news service at theinsider.ua.

    In particular, Ukrenergo director claims that in recent days there have been five power outages at the sites of DTEK and the state company Energoatom.

    "We have to note an increase in the idle time of power units during generation facilities emergency repairs at DTEK Dniproenergo, DTEK Zakhidenergo and DTEK Skhidenergo," the letter reads.

    The SBU has been asked to deal with the situation that jeopardizes the country’s energy system and causes economic losses to the state.

    Akhmetov is a proRussian Ukrainian oligarch and if his power plants are not producing then the Ukraine is forced to purchase power from Russia which might well be the intent behind the so called "outages".

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Discuss in various sub-groups of the Minsk Contact group on Ukraine will continue via "Skype" - Lavrov http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/5-augus...-minsk-contact

    Well the US and French pressured unilateral appeasement moves in support of Putin’s own demands seems to have gone nowhere---really via Sykpe????

    That is like saying we will continue face to face but via snail mail.

    So much for the Western leaders unilateral appeasement approach—so now what is Plan X going to be????
    http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...urce=SFTwitter

    Is This the End of Ukraine’s Peace Process?

    Having failed to achieve its objectives in Ukraine through negotiations, Russia is turning to other means.


    Brian Whitmore
    7:28 AM ET

    Mykola Azarov’s call for early elections and “total regime change” in Kiev was a bit of a head-scratcher. The ousted Ukrainian prime minister, after all, is deeply unpopular in his homeland and—with the exception of Ukrainian prosecutors who want to put him on trial—largely forgotten.

    But in a high-profile press conference in Moscow on August 3 that was carried live on Russian state television, Azarov announced the creation of a Ukraine Salvation Committee that aims to oust the pro-Western government of President Petro Poroshenko.

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitri Peskov said Moscow has nothing to do with the initiative. But that has about as much credibility as Peskov’s claim that the $620,000 watch he was photographed wearing at his wedding was a gift. In fact, Azarov’s announcement fits into a pattern that suggests that the Kremlin is giving up on the Minsk accords as a means to achieve its objectives in Ukraine and is shifting to other methods of pressuring Kiev.

    These include calls to offer Russian citizenship to residents of the separatist-held areas of the Donbas region, suggestions that it may turn the territories into a Russian protectorate or annex them outright, and bellicose moves suggesting a fresh military offensive. At the heart of Moscow’s problem is that it doesn’t want these territories. It doesn’t want to govern them. It doesn’t want to shoulder the cost of rebuilding them. It wants to use them to undermine and paralyze Kiev.

    “It’s a mechanism to distract and destabilize the government in Kiev,” Steven Pifer, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, told me recently. “They can ratchet pressure up or ratchet it down in eastern Ukraine to cause problems for the government in Kiev.”

    But ultimately Russia wants to get the separatist territories reintegrated into a hyper-federalized Ukraine as a fifth column, with the ability to veto any attempts by the government in Kiev to integrate with the West. And these efforts are failing—and the Kremlin is flailing as it searches for an alternative.

    “The bottom line is that Russia has no good options in the Donbas, and that really is the key. It is the owner of the region and whoever owns the territory is the loser,” Alexander Motyl, a professor at Rutgers University-Newark and commentator on Ukrainian affairs, told me.

    Ukrainian officials and pro-Russian rebels haven’t found a solution because there isn’t a solution.

    Ukrainian officials and pro-Moscow separatists went through the motions in Minsk again this week, just as they have been doing for months since the ceasefire was signed in the Belarusian capital in February. They pretended to negotiate about the future status of the so-called Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics and how they would be reintegrated into Ukraine. And they didn’t reach a solution, but they did agree to continue the farce via Skype. They didn’t find a solution because there isn’t a solution. The problem is irremediable.

    The government in Kiev wants the region reintegrated only after separatist fighters disarm, after Russia withdraws its troops and weapons, after the border is returned to Ukraine’s control, and after free, fair, and internationally supervised elections are held. The Kremlin and its Donbas proxies want the territories reintegrated into Ukraine with autonomy so broad it would make the region a de facto Russian protectorate. They want the current separatist leaders legitimized as the region’s rulers and the separatist fighters instituted as its police force.

    There is no compromise here that could satisfy both sides. It’s a deadlock—and a deadlock essentially favors Ukraine.

    “Freezing the conflict is one of the better solutions for Ukraine and is actually bad for the Russians,” Motyl said. “The reason is that the Donbas enclave that is occupied by Russian and separatist troops is an economic mess. … It is [to] Ukraine’s advantage to keep that out of its control for as long as possible and for as much as possible, and it is to Russia’s disadvantage to be responsible for it.”

    So if a deadlock favors Ukraine, then Russia understands that it has to break the deadlock. If Russia decided to issue passports to residents of the rebel-held territories in eastern Ukraine, it would change the nature of the conflict overnight.

    If Russia doesn’t get what it wants from the Minsk peace process, it may be prepared to take some drastic steps.

    And last week, Ihor Plotnitskiy, leader of the self-styled Luhansk People’s Republic, said separatist leaders were in talks with Moscow to do just that. And the announcement got a fair amount of traction in the Russian press, suggesting that it was being taken seriously. In a lengthy article on the news site Lenta.ru, Gevorg Mirzayan of the Institute for U.S. and Canadian Studies noted that the move would mark a significant shift in Kremlin policy.

    “This would amount to Russia’s abandonment of the Minsk agreement and the reintegration of the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics back into Ukraine. It would mark a transition to Plan B, a frozen conflict and the establishment of a space of the Novorossia project,” Mirzayan wrote.

    In addition to effectively burying the Minsk agreement, issuing passports to residents of the separatist-held territories would also mark a significant escalation of the conflict. Suddenly, it would not just be ethnic Russians that Moscow was claiming to defend in the Donbas, but Russian citizens—which would make it easier for Moscow to intervene openly and directly.

    The announcement also dovetails with other proposals making the rounds in the Russian media. In an article in the influential military journal Voyennoye Obozreniya, analyst Valery Afanasyev argues that Moscow should aim to turn the separatist-held territories in eastern Ukraine into a second Belarus—an independent autocratic state completely dependent on Moscow.

    And in the staunchly pro-Kremlin daily Izvestia, political commentator Aleksandr Chalenko called on Moscow to annex the territories outright. These moves would, of course, be extremely costly for Russia. They would almost certainly spark another round of sanctions, and Moscow would be saddled with the cost of rebuilding a war-torn and economically devastated region, losing any leverage it has over Kiev. And Ukraine would probably move quickly to integrate with the West.

    Likewise, it is highly unlikely that the deeply unpopular Azarov will be able to spearhead regime change in Kiev. Instead, both initiatives smack of desperation. They also appear to be messages from Moscow to Kiev that if Russia doesn’t get what it wants from the Minsk peace process, it may be prepared to take some drastic steps.
    Many especially the Russians and to a degree Hollande and Merkel all viewed the Ukraine as the "loser" when the Minsk 1 and 2 Agreements were signed.

    It appears that through some very astute maneuvering based on the Ukrainians fully understanding the Putin mind set and a very resilient military that has been basically rebuilt from a 6K man army to well over 64K that has all but boxed in the Russian army and her mercenaries and unless they now resort to a full fledged expansion offensive is basically checkmated with Putin now being viewed the "loser" who has virtually nothing but bad choices he will have to make in the next few months.

    While the UA is still taking KIAs/WIAs from the constant intense and heavy shellings and ground attacks--they have as well even boxed in the Russian Spetsnaz that was being used as the lead attack elements.

    Actually when one thinks about it---with a determined army and volunteers they have "won" a military victory of sorts forcing the Russian military and Putin into a series of choices that have not good outcome for Russia----"won" with far less new technology and the latest weapons systems.

    Appears the entire West was wrong when they kept repeating that the conflict "could not be won militarily"--their problem was they never defined what a "military win looks like".

    Boxing in the Russian military inside an area the size of a shoebox, losing no new territory, and having Putin left holding the entire economic cost bag is a "win".
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Russia's Artic claim could expand its territory by 1.2 mn sqkm & give the country ~600 additional oil fields. http://barentsobserver.com/en/arctic...rth-pole-04-08

    Russia's 2001 submission was rejected by Continental Shelf Commission. Now trying to claim even more of the #Arctic! pic.twitter.com/aLsftiL0zw

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    New Russian shelling tactics as of yesterday night—deep strikes in the rear—means Russian heavy artillery must be within 10kms of the front lines in total violation of Minsk 2—YET not a single complaint by any Western leader—total silence on their part.

    Russia-backed militia shelled #Makiivka (deep in the rear!) : 8 buildings destroyed, 1 resident wounded.
    @ostro_v pic.twitter.com/jqEC1kjpge

    Deep strikes are also used to prep and shape the battlefield in Russian attack doctrine for follow on combined arms units.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...urce=SFTwitter

    Is This the End of Ukraine’s Peace Process?

    Having failed to achieve its objectives in Ukraine through negotiations, Russia is turning to other means.


    Brian Whitmore
    7:28 AM ET

    Many especially the Russians and to a degree Hollande and Merkel all viewed the Ukraine as the "loser" when the Minsk 1 and 2 Agreements were signed.

    It appears that through some very astute maneuvering based on the Ukrainians fully understanding the Putin mind set and a very resilient military that has been basically rebuilt from a 6K man army to well over 64K that has all but boxed in the Russian army and her mercenaries and unless they now resort to a full fledged expansion offensive is basically checkmated with Putin now being viewed the "loser" who has virtually nothing but bad choices he will have to make in the next few months.

    While the UA is still taking KIAs/WIAs from the constant intense and heavy shellings and ground attacks--they have as well even boxed in the Russian Spetsnaz that was being used as the lead attack elements.

    Actually when one thinks about it---with a determined army and volunteers they have "won" a military victory of sorts forcing the Russian military and Putin into a series of choices that have not good outcome for Russia----"won" with far less new technology and the latest weapons systems.

    Appears the entire West was wrong when they kept repeating that the conflict "could not be won militarily"--their problem was they never defined what a "military win looks like".

    Boxing in the Russian military inside an area the size of a shoebox, losing no new territory, and having Putin left holding the entire economic cost bag is a "win".
    Notice how the Ukrainian President elegantly weaves the Russians back into Minsk 2 and at the same time positions them to be blamed if the Minsk 2 fails.

    Putin had wanted to "freeze the eastern Ukraine" as leverage against the Ukrainian government but in the process they themselves have been "frozen".


    http://www.unian.info/politics/11084...-election.html

    Poroshenko: dialogue possible with Donbas after legitimate election

    05.08.2015 | 18:52

    Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has told German weekly news magazine Stern that he is ready to hold a dialogue with representatives of the occupied territories of Luhansk and Donetsk regions if they are elected in keeping with Ukrainian laws, DW's Ukrainian-language service reported.

    If local elections in the districts in Donetsk and Luhansk regions that are not controlled by Kyiv are held in October under Ukrainian laws, Poroshenko is ready to hold a dialogue with their representatives, DW said.

    If separatists hold their own local elections, as they plan now, this will only escalate the situation, the Ukrainian president said.

    "I hate the idea of talking about the future of my country with representatives of another country who are not my countrymen," Poroshenko said.

    In his words, these are "Russian puppets" who have taken control of occupied territories.

    However, the president stressed that making a lasting peace requires the withdrawal of Russia's weapons from Donbas. What is more, the border between Ukraine and Russia needs to be sealed in order to prevent further arms supplies from Russia.

    "Once weapons, ammunition and soldiers stop flowing into the country, peace will be restored immediately," Poroshenko added.

    As was earlier reported, leader of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic (LPR) Igor Plotnitsky scheduled the so-called local elections in LPR-controlled territory for November 1, 2015.

    At the same time, Russian-backed militants form the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic, which controls several districts in Donetsk region, announced their "local" elections will be held on October 18, 2015.
    Russia totally slipped up and allowed the passage "elections in accordance with Ukrainian elections laws" to slide into the Minsk 2 agreement and a number of pundits have been all along saying Russia was looking for a way to not hold those elections.

    Under Ukrainian election law means they must be Ukrainian citizens, have been registered as residing n the Donbas prior to the election and be on the electoral voting rolls --which means most of the Russian mercenaries cannot vote.
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    More from the Russian altered state of reality.

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: The U.S. is building missile defense in cooperation with Japan and South Korea, which is not helpful at all @RusEmb_Korea

    Notice Lavrov says nothing about NK missiles systems coming online.

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: Barack Obama said if Iran issue is resolved,missile defense in Europe would be no need.It seems that he was not telling the truth

    Obama never said that exactly as the Iranian missile development was not throttled by the new deal.

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: The fact that U.S. dropped from the ABM Treaty some time ago was a destabilizing factor of global importance

    When Bush 2 dropped out of the ABM the Russians did not complain with a single word when he informed them of his decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Maxim Tucker @MaxRTucker
    .@Newsweek has now uploaded #Ukraine's 'DPR dirty bomb' documents here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/273410562/...e-Documentshey … Given to OSCE, US, UK before publication.

    OSCE still cannot get into the nuclear waster storage site---Russian mercenaries refused to allow them to enter the bunker area.
    Reference the chemical plant and the nuclear waste storage site--THIS tonight!!!!

    19:27 Massive explosion was felt in #Donetsk (strong air blast)
    brkng images
    pic.twitter.com/fF6Y1YBAfg

    Massive explosion in #Donetsk: https://twitter.com/666_mancer/statu...68703028273152

    more Donetsk pix https://twitter.com/Ykraino4_ka/stat...69110018359297

    Said to be chemical plant again

    19:28 #Donetsk @ADivinorum "What was it? It opened windows a bit, curtains danced. I was in and didn't get direction"

    19:31 #Donetsk @zzzwefzzz 5 min ago house was once shaked. No explosion was heard just strong vibration

    19:28 #Donetsk @OldHistoric Again chemical plant blown up?How many storages are left there?
    @Ukr_Che 4th since autumn? 3 more

    two more, yes, it's DZKHI
    pic.twitter.com/KlgCDRKRce

    Another picture from #Donetsk explosion:
    pic.twitter.com/kIh6DKboqH

    19:34 #Donetsk @OldHistoric The wave shows that it was an underground blast, no sound was heard, just house shaked once

    19:59 #Donetsk @sex_Dombas "Let me remind, there is about 240 tonnes of exlosives at #Donetsk chemical plant, 60 are already blown up"
    VIDEO: Footage of explosion in Donetsk this evening
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ew8AsAHOsZI … pic.twitter.com/Wh28vlwqHF

    Donetsk: 1/2 hr ago, 'mashroom cloud' of the blast at chemical plant pic.twitter.com/ngHXFeECDM
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 08-05-2015 at 05:15 PM.

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    19:14 #Donetsk Kyivsky @UrriKara4en From the north one can hear active shooting, mostly SA & MG, but also heavy one happens

    19:16 #Donetsk @Buzzing_Rook What was it just now? Something exploded as if MLRS load flew over, or not?

    Donetsk, huge explosion shocks the city, 19:27

    19:00 #Maryinka @hyeva_maryinka [vk] Excepting sporadicmachine gun bursts in mine shaft area, it is quiet here

    19:27 Massive explosion was felt in #Donetsk (strong air blast)
    brkng images pic.twitter.com/fF6Y1YBAfg

    Massive explosion in #Donetsk: https://twitter.com/666_mancer/statu...68703028273152

    more Donetsk pix https://twitter.com/Ykraino4_ka/stat...69110018359297

    Said to be chemical plant again

    19:28 #Donetsk @ADivinorum "What was it? It opened windows a bit, curtains danced. I was in and didn't get direction"

    19:27 #Donetsk Semashko @kaktusjara Something boomed
    19:30 Kalininsky @DoneckiiPatriot Distant volleys were heard

    19:31 #Donetsk @zzzwefzzz 5 min ago house was once shaked. No explosion was heard just strong vibration

    19:28 #Donetsk @OldHistoric Again chemical plant blown up?How many storages are left there?
    @Ukr_Che 4th since autumn? 3 more

    two more, yes, it's DZKHI pic.twitter.com/KlgCDRKRce

    Another picture from #Donetsk explosion:
    pic.twitter.com/kIh6DKboqH

    19:34 #Donetsk @OldHistoric The wave shows that it was an underground blast, no sound was heard, just house shaked once

    Tracking Down A Scout From The 136th Brigade: https://en.informnapalm.org/tracking...136th-brigade/ … pic.twitter.com/tISgWhSJS6

    Horror Stories from Russian Fighters in Ukraine’s War Zone: Shot, Buried Alive,… http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/08/0...rs-in-ukraine/ … pic.twitter.com/ngjd7XdLmV

    Donetsk Biryuzova, more photos of the same 'mashroom' @hyeva_maryinka pic.twitter.com/EAbn21Pssi
    19:59 #Donetsk @sex_Dombas "Let me remind, there is about 240 tonnes of exlosives at #Donetsk chemical plant, 60 are already blown up"

    VIDEO: Footage of explosion in Donetsk this evening
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ew8AsAHOsZI … pic.twitter.com/Wh28vlwqHF

    Donetsk: 1/2 hr ago, 'mashroom cloud' of the blast at chemical plant pic.twitter.com/ngHXFeECDM

    Russian army equipment shipped towards #Ukrainian border Video http://empr.media/video/conflict-zon...rainian-border

    20:00 #Maryinka @hyeva_maryinka [vk] Quiet here. They reported from Petrovsky ds, about 20min ago a blast wave went through, windows shaked

    19:29 #Donetsk DK_Kuybysheva @Serzzze [fb] "Affirm, almost soundless vibration"
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    http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...ge-proportions

    August 5, 2015

    Moscow’s Veto of MH17 Tribunal: A Blunder of Potentially Huge Proportions

    By Ariel Cohen

    On July 29, Russia vetoed a draft UN resolution seeking to set up a tribunal to prosecute those responsible for shooting down a Malaysia Airlines jumbo jet more than a year ago.

    By exercising its Security Council veto against the resolution, Moscow has lost control of the process, committing a possible error that may ultimately lead to convictions of rebel leaders and Russian officials—and a new round of sanctions against the Kremlin. This appears to be a massive strategic misstep, which the West may exploit.

    The jet, a Boeing 777 en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, fell out of the sky July 14, 2014, while flying over separatist-controlled territory in eastern Ukraine. The West as well as Kyiv blames the tragedy—which killed all 298 passengers and crew on board—on Russian-backed rebels using a Russian-supplied BUK M1 (SA-11 Gadfly) missile.

    Yet Moscow continues to deny the obvious. In opposing last week's UN resolution, the Kremlin argued that no precedent exists for such a tribunal, citing at least three cases in which civilian aircraft were brought down by Soviet, Israeli and US troops in the 1970s and 1980s. However, in all three instances, the countries involved admitted responsibility, and Israel and the US paid reparations. If Russia had quickly admitted fault, it's unlikely the matter would have escalated to the Security Council. But its initial response was to deny involvement while stonewalling repeated attempts to gather more information. Under continued pressure, Russia claims it would agree to an international probe, but it persists in obfuscating the facts.

    The world needs a thorough, unimpeded investigation to establish exactly what happened, and a tribunal to apportion blame, impose sanctions, and possibly award compensation, though this last may require additional civil courts. Five countries—Australia, Belgium, Malaysia, Netherlands and Ukraine—have asked the UN to appoint a tribunal under Article 7 of the UN Charter. The Security Council vote shows how isolated Moscow has become one year after the MH17 disaster. Of the council's fifteen members, eleven voted in favor, while the three countries that abstained—Angola, China and Venezuela—usually stand behind Russia on international matters.

    "No veto will stand in the way of this heinous crime being investigated and prosecuted," Samantha Power, US Ambassador to the UN, told the Security Council. But in the wake of Russia's veto, the issue will now likely be remanded to the UN General Assembly—and this is where Moscow may have blundered. The General Assembly is not the Russia-friendly forum it once was. Russia has lost the support of a number of developing countries, including the Sunni Muslim emirates of the Persian Gulf, which have not forgiven the Kremlin for supporting either the Assad regime in Syria, or the Shi'ite theocracy that rules Iran.

    Why, then, did Russia cast its veto? Certainly it wasn't just about defending separatist Ukrainian rebels. A reluctance to give up sovereign rights and jurisdiction to an international body such as the UN may have driven the decision. But the Kremlin may also worry that the tribunal's work could point to higher-ups in the Russian military or even in Russia's political structure. In addition, Moscow fears that the tribunal's work could drag conclusive proof of close ties between Russia and Ukrainian separatist groups into the public sphere. And finally, the threat of economic or transport sanctions continually hangs over Russia. Hence, the nyet.

    If in fact the General Assembly can't muster the two-thirds vote it needs to override the Russian veto, the five aggrieved nations that sought the tribunal in the first place may attempt to carry on through their own domestic, national courts. Alternatively, the UN might let those five countries form a joint tribunal. Procedural machinations aside, the Russian veto begs a further question: It appears Moscow exercised its veto purely for its own interests, in order to block the investigation and impede justice. Even if this veto was legal, was it moral? Should a country not recognize that it has a larger moral duty in an international tribunal, even when it goes against the country's narrow national interest?

    At any rate, the UN does have the legal ability to continue its investigation without Russia's permission. One thing is certain: If the UN invokes Article 7, all member states will be obligated to fully cooperate, leading to the possible imposition of sanctions.

    The Dutch Safety Board will issue its final report on MH17 in October, increasing the chances that the General Assembly will move to establish a tribunal. But whatever path the UN chooses, it is clear that Russia has lost its ability to influence events. Last week's veto marks a watershed in how Russia views the UN. The double standard is obvious: after two decades of blasting Washington for bypassing that world body—on Iraq and other issues—it seems Moscow has now lost faith in the UN's ability to remain impartial.

    Since MH17's downing, Russia has blamed everyone but itself for the tragedy. Thanks to the Kremlin's extensive propaganda blitz, a Levada Center poll found last month that 44 percent of Russians hold the Ukrainians responsible, while 17 percent say that the US is to blame, and a mere 2 percent consider Russia the culprit. However, last week's Security Council vote strongly suggests that the rest of the world views the shootdown very differently, and by rejecting the formation of a tribunal, Russia may have set the stage for an even more embarrassing, and potentially damaging, General Assembly vote—as well as other legal steps it might later regret.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Reference the chemical plant and the nuclear waste storage site--THIS tonight!!!!

    19:27 Massive explosion was felt in #Donetsk (strong air blast)
    brkng images
    pic.twitter.com/fF6Y1YBAfg

    Massive explosion in #Donetsk: https://twitter.com/666_mancer/statu...68703028273152

    more Donetsk pix https://twitter.com/Ykraino4_ka/stat...69110018359297

    Said to be chemical plant again

    19:28 #Donetsk @ADivinorum "What was it? It opened windows a bit, curtains danced. I was in and didn't get direction"

    19:31 #Donetsk @zzzwefzzz 5 min ago house was once shaked. No explosion was heard just strong vibration

    19:28 #Donetsk @OldHistoric Again chemical plant blown up?How many storages are left there?
    @Ukr_Che 4th since autumn? 3 more

    two more, yes, it's DZKHI
    pic.twitter.com/KlgCDRKRce

    Another picture from #Donetsk explosion:
    pic.twitter.com/kIh6DKboqH

    19:34 #Donetsk @OldHistoric The wave shows that it was an underground blast, no sound was heard, just house shaked once

    19:59 #Donetsk @sex_Dombas "Let me remind, there is about 240 tonnes of exlosives at #Donetsk chemical plant, 60 are already blown up"
    VIDEO: Footage of explosion in Donetsk this evening
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ew8AsAHOsZI … pic.twitter.com/Wh28vlwqHF

    Donetsk: 1/2 hr ago, 'mashroom cloud' of the blast at chemical plant pic.twitter.com/ngHXFeECDM
    Again explosions at the Donetsk Chemical Plant (suspect of dirty bomb being created there). https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/628969152255008768

    More footage of Donetsk explosion this evening
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SKLcVKACdN4 … pic.twitter.com/9OhWvppJ2v

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    Originally there were three EU FMs who worked out the initial Maidan Agreement--Poland, France and Germany.

    During the Normandy Four arrangement it then was only France and Germany with the French and Germans actually pushing Poland to the side out of fear they would be to aggressive with the Russians--actually think Putin pushed Germany and Germany pushed then Poland out of the Minsk agreements as there has been inherent tension between the two as Poland has taken a strong position on defense spending, NATO and Putin. AND their strong support for the Ukraine and the Baltics.

    President-elect says #Poland should be part of #Ukraine peace talks
    Bhttp://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0QA1CE20150805?irpc=932
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    AND we are off running on the shelling front again tonight---late start.

    Dzerzhynsk and #Horlivka: distant booms heard, not very intense. Warm-up?

    21:18 #Dzerzhynsk @blessmaster A bit noisy. Many singles sounding like a carpet is beaten, sometimes bombs and various automatic weapons.

    21:31 #Horlivka Kalinovka @UA_Gorlivka Profound silence here

    21:31 #Horlivka @tgorlovka Single outgoing. In Komsomolets one can hear 2sec volley-blast interval

    21:40 #Horlivka @77bot1 Inflammation at KSM and in #Mykytivka direction

    21:51 #Horlivka @77bot1 Update: 6-7mine, not KSM https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/629002866649382913

    21:40 #Krasnohorivka @hyeva_maryinka Quiet in the town. Around 19:30-19:40 there was strong boom and blast wave [came from Donetsk?]

    21:59 #Donetsk @vladicvp "Small arms a-go-go slightly mixed with machine guns" [=intense shooting]

    22:02 #Dzerzhynsk @blessmaster It rumbles mostly in #Mayorsk direction

    22:02 #Horlivka @adochek Salvos are clearly heard, close explosions. 3-4 sec betw/them. Moreover there are explosions not after each volley

    22:01 #Dzerzhynsk @blessmaster New series of salvos, we're shaking.Various sound volume, sound quality, incoming&outgoing,various sites.

    22:03 #Horlivka @andreyboss77 Impacts on 5th block

    22:06 #Horlivka @062_Region 5th block: rumble, close hits

    22:11 #Horlivka @UA_Gorlivka Lights are blinking and silence

    22:12 #Horlivka @kapralukr Flashes in Rumyantsevo settlement direction

    This report is highly unusual----has been a serious hotspot for over two weeks and then silence?????
    22:12 #Starohnativka @Staroignatievca It has been quiet all day

    22:05#Donetsk @10mregoist Hardware column w/switched off lights moved thru Azotny tow/Kuybyshevska mine

    Russian Army motor rifle infantryman, occupied Donbas, Ukraine, May 2015 https://vk.com/warsonline_military_o...2474637_164319 … pic.twitter.com/qUw27ZgjVO

    22:23 #Dzerzhynsk @blessmaster Heavy weapons ceased, something lighter started to hit #Shumy area

    22:24 #Horlivka @062_Region At 6-7 heavy weapons calmed down, now skirmish, AGL sometimes

    Dzerzhynsk 22:02
    Noisy mainly towards #Mayorsk https://twitter.com/blessmaster/stat...04657663299584
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    Today, Militants released 20 Ukrainian prisoners from pre-trial detention facility
    http://uatoday.tv/society/militants-...ty-469630.html … pic.twitter.com/LQlHKacHjz

    Mark Galeotti @MarkGaleotti
    #Russia paratroop cdr says ready to help #Syria vs 'terrorists' if govt orders. A meaningless reassurance or portent?
    http://tass.ru/en/russia/812480

    DUBROVICHI RANGE /Ryazan region/, August 4. /TASS/. The Russian Airborne Troops are ready to assist Syria in countering terrorists, if such a task is set by Russia’s leaders, commander of the Airborne Troops Colonel-General Vladimir Shamanov told reporters on Tuesday.

    "Of course we will execute the decisions set forth by the country’s leadership, if there is a task at hand," Shamanov said, in response to a Syrian reporter’s question about the readiness of the Russian Airborne Troops to render assistance to Syria’s government in its battle against terrorism.

    Shamanov noted that Russia and Syria have "long-term good relations." "Many Syrian experts, including military, received education in the Soviet Union and in Russia," Shamanov added.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Let’s see three Russian trolls argue the article is rubbish, then the Russia mercenaries deny today that the nuclear waste storage site has not been breached BUT offer no video proof.

    But the OSCE cannot confirm nor deny as the Russian mercenaries do not allow them access to the site.

    Tend to think with OSCE not being allowed to check ie confirm and or deny------the UK Times might in fact be correct----
    Reference---Maxim Tucker @MaxRTucker
    Interview with BBC Radio about investigating #Ukraine's claim separatists are developing a dirty radioactive weapon https://soundcloud.com/max-tucker-1/...shour-1-august

    Once you pop, the fun don't stop. SBU detained batch of U-238 in Ivano-Frankivsk http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/5-augus...ivanofrankivsk … pic.twitter.com/K8p3YvZXzY via @tweetsNV

    Uranium-238 In Pringles cans https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/629011627497660416

    Thats just nasty, question is if it's for foreign sale or domestic use==good SBU was aware and arrested

    English translation of relevant parts of article pic.twitter.com/w8zpVM8uwf
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    AND we are off running on the shelling front again tonight---late start.

    Dzerzhynsk and #Horlivka: distant booms heard, not very intense. Warm-up?

    21:18 #Dzerzhynsk @blessmaster A bit noisy. Many singles sounding like a carpet is beaten, sometimes bombs and various automatic weapons.

    21:31 #Horlivka Kalinovka @UA_Gorlivka Profound silence here

    21:31 #Horlivka @tgorlovka Single outgoing. In Komsomolets one can hear 2sec volley-blast interval

    21:40 #Horlivka @77bot1 Inflammation at KSM and in #Mykytivka direction

    21:51 #Horlivka @77bot1 Update: 6-7mine, not KSM https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/629002866649382913

    21:40 #Krasnohorivka @hyeva_maryinka Quiet in the town. Around 19:30-19:40 there was strong boom and blast wave [came from Donetsk?]

    21:59 #Donetsk @vladicvp "Small arms a-go-go slightly mixed with machine guns" [=intense shooting]

    22:02 #Dzerzhynsk @blessmaster It rumbles mostly in #Mayorsk direction

    22:02 #Horlivka @adochek Salvos are clearly heard, close explosions. 3-4 sec betw/them. Moreover there are explosions not after each volley

    22:01 #Dzerzhynsk @blessmaster New series of salvos, we're shaking.Various sound volume, sound quality, incoming&outgoing,various sites.

    22:03 #Horlivka @andreyboss77 Impacts on 5th block

    22:06 #Horlivka @062_Region 5th block: rumble, close hits

    22:11 #Horlivka @UA_Gorlivka Lights are blinking and silence

    22:12 #Horlivka @kapralukr Flashes in Rumyantsevo settlement direction

    This report is highly unusual----has been a serious hotspot for over two weeks and then silence?????
    22:12 #Starohnativka @Staroignatievca It has been quiet all day

    22:05#Donetsk @10mregoist Hardware column w/switched off lights moved thru Azotny tow/Kuybyshevska mine

    Russian Army motor rifle infantryman, occupied Donbas, Ukraine, May 2015 https://vk.com/warsonline_military_o...2474637_164319 … pic.twitter.com/qUw27ZgjVO

    22:23 #Dzerzhynsk @blessmaster Heavy weapons ceased, something lighter started to hit #Shumy area

    22:24 #Horlivka @062_Region At 6-7 heavy weapons calmed down, now skirmish, AGL sometimes

    Dzerzhynsk 22:02
    Noisy mainly towards #Mayorsk https://twitter.com/blessmaster/stat...04657663299584
    Volnovakha 22:41 It's quiet here.
    But it was loud approx. between 20:00-21:30. https://twitter.com/solomazheka/stat...14323772395520

    10:41 #Donetsk center @papandopoolo It rumbles remotely in the north direction

    22:31 #Horlivka 245th block @sau152mm [Rumble heard from the west]

    22:47 #Horlivka Central city area @DobryShubin Again small arms fire in the center

    22:49 #Dzerzhynsk @blessmaster In the south something explodes softly and frequent as if chinese squibs, non-stop
    [AA-gun?]

    22:35 #Lutuhyne @LutuginskyRayon [MLRS] volley was heard from #Oleksandrivsk range direction

    22:49 #Horlivka Stroitel @ahab7822 One can see tracers in the sky in Stroitel from 245th block & knitting factory

    #Horlivka 22:50
    Shooting at UAV. Tracers in the sky towards Aleksandrovska park https://twitter.com/DobryShubin/stat...16539526774784

    22:53 #Dzerzhynsk @blessmaster Relatively quiet, sporadic short bursts
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    AND we are off running on the shelling front again tonight---late start.

    Dzerzhynsk and #Horlivka: distant booms heard, not very intense. Warm-up?

    21:18 #Dzerzhynsk @blessmaster A bit noisy. Many singles sounding like a carpet is beaten, sometimes bombs and various automatic weapons.

    21:31 #Horlivka Kalinovka @UA_Gorlivka Profound silence here

    21:31 #Horlivka @tgorlovka Single outgoing. In Komsomolets one can hear 2sec volley-blast interval

    21:40 #Horlivka @77bot1 Inflammation at KSM and in #Mykytivka direction

    21:51 #Horlivka @77bot1 Update: 6-7mine, not KSM https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/629002866649382913

    21:40 #Krasnohorivka @hyeva_maryinka Quiet in the town. Around 19:30-19:40 there was strong boom and blast wave [came from Donetsk?]

    21:59 #Donetsk @vladicvp "Small arms a-go-go slightly mixed with machine guns" [=intense shooting]

    22:02 #Dzerzhynsk @blessmaster It rumbles mostly in #Mayorsk direction

    22:02 #Horlivka @adochek Salvos are clearly heard, close explosions. 3-4 sec betw/them. Moreover there are explosions not after each volley

    22:01 #Dzerzhynsk @blessmaster New series of salvos, we're shaking.Various sound volume, sound quality, incoming&outgoing,various sites.

    22:03 #Horlivka @andreyboss77 Impacts on 5th block

    22:06 #Horlivka @062_Region 5th block: rumble, close hits

    22:11 #Horlivka @UA_Gorlivka Lights are blinking and silence

    22:12 #Horlivka @kapralukr Flashes in Rumyantsevo settlement direction

    This report is highly unusual----has been a serious hotspot for over two weeks and then silence?????
    22:12 #Starohnativka @Staroignatievca It has been quiet all day

    22:05#Donetsk @10mregoist Hardware column w/switched off lights moved thru Azotny tow/Kuybyshevska mine

    Russian Army motor rifle infantryman, occupied Donbas, Ukraine, May 2015 https://vk.com/warsonline_military_o...2474637_164319 … pic.twitter.com/qUw27ZgjVO

    22:23 #Dzerzhynsk @blessmaster Heavy weapons ceased, something lighter started to hit #Shumy area

    22:24 #Horlivka @062_Region At 6-7 heavy weapons calmed down, now skirmish, AGL sometimes

    Dzerzhynsk 22:02
    Noisy mainly towards #Mayorsk https://twitter.com/blessmaster/stat...04657663299584
    Let's see--DoS Kerry and the Russians say the UNSC should investigate the possible use of chemical weapons in Syria--BUT social media open source analysis has provided the evidence for now roughly eight months BUT the US said nothing.

    THEN Obama states yesterday it is either war with Iran and or a deal

    BUT when there is an actual war ongoing in Central Europe created out of an invasion by Russia NEITHER say a single word.

    THAT is the state of the current US Foreign Policy---actually there is no FP.

    65 times Russian forces broke ceasefire yesterday(-16) http://liveuamap.com pic.twitter.com/x1pO5tvMod

    #Maryinka 7:40AM
    VK: "Distant, muffled, but audible series volleys. #Krasnohorivka, must be in your area, how r u?" https://twitter.com/hyeva_maryinka/s...55567454527488

    Maryinka 6:25AM
    Fire exchange can be heard tow. #Krasnohorivka, and one shot at us in Novomarinka or hospital area https://twitter.com/hyeva_maryinka/s...36548085297152

    6:40AM "... but it seems that it is much closer, maybe Lozovskyi".

    Donetsk 6:30AM
    In the North, from the #Pisky, hear active shooting with machine guns and small arms. https://twitter.com/UrriKara4en/stat...36136066174976

    Avdiivka
    4:32AM LOUD!
    4:54AM Calmed down since 10 mins. https://twitter.com/JuZolyshkaLia/st...02788467924992

    23:35 #Makiiva @NeilRem 3 outgoing D-30 prohectiles from Gvardeysky

    After midninght russians shelled #Leninske and #Mayorsk with 120-mm mortars. #Optyne was under tanks fire between 1AM-3AM.

    Does not appear that the Russians are even attempting to comply with any point of Minsk 2----

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    AT the beginning now a year ago the US media and the US government constantly talked about informational warfare, hybrid warfare and Russian propaganda---one year later utter silence.

    Finally a study on the use of the Russian trolling system as part and parcel of their "weaponization of information".

    Canada at NATO ✔ @CanadaNATO
    Look forward to September release of study on internet trolling as weapon of hybrid warfare
    : http://www.stratcomcoe.org/lv/Newsan...2015/7/30.aspx … pic.twitter.com/zjfvlncK2U

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    Ukraine puts Chief of General Staff Russian Armed Forces Valery Gerasimov on ‘wanted’ list

    http://www.euronews.com/2015/08/05/u...t-wanted-list/ … pic.twitter.com/EcwBd2vhBS

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Reference---Maxim Tucker @MaxRTucker
    Interview with BBC Radio about investigating #Ukraine's claim separatists are developing a dirty radioactive weapon https://soundcloud.com/max-tucker-1/...shour-1-august

    Once you pop, the fun don't stop. SBU detained batch of U-238 in Ivano-Frankivsk http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/5-augus...ivanofrankivsk … pic.twitter.com/K8p3YvZXzY via @tweetsNV

    Uranium-238 In Pringles cans https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/629011627497660416

    Thats just nasty, question is if it's for foreign sale or domestic use==good SBU was aware and arrested

    English translation of relevant parts of article pic.twitter.com/w8zpVM8uwf

    And here is the video. Seems they keep experimenting...
    https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/628976812543094786


    NOTICE--virtually no western mass media news outlet has picked up on Max Tuckers article other than his own newspaper.

    The interesting question is WHY is that when the US always talks about WMD?????

    RIGHT NOW the entire Russian occupied eastern Ukraine is literally AWASH with MANPADs a form of WMD against civilian aircraft that the US "claimed" for years they were trying to keep out of the hands of terrorists regardless of political colors.

    NOW utter silence about MANPADs and nuclear waste materials.


    WHY is it that it is the social media open source analysis that keeps tracking this particular issue??

    Appears if your are IS you are in some serious trouble--everyone else it is OK especially "state actors".
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Reference---Maxim Tucker @MaxRTucker
    Interview with BBC Radio about investigating #Ukraine's claim separatists are developing a dirty radioactive weapon https://soundcloud.com/max-tucker-1/...shour-1-august

    Once you pop, the fun don't stop. SBU detained batch of U-238 in Ivano-Frankivsk http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/5-augus...ivanofrankivsk … pic.twitter.com/K8p3YvZXzY via @tweetsNV

    Uranium-238 In Pringles cans https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/629011627497660416

    Thats just nasty, question is if it's for foreign sale or domestic use==good SBU was aware and arrested

    English translation of relevant parts of article pic.twitter.com/w8zpVM8uwf
    BREAKING SBU captured 4 gang-members in West Ukraine region smuggling nuclear material.http://www.sbu.gov.ua/sbu/control/uk...4&cat_id=39574
    pic.twitter.com/lpYJLQk57r

    Video source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhpsc6jB5Sk
    Also see: http://lugansk-news.com/pro-russian-...-a-tank-video/

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