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    When chasing Russian info warfare...chase the money.....

    Russian state-run bank financed deal involving Trump hotel partner
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian...er-1495031708#

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Vladimir Putin says he can give record of the conversation between Donald Trump and Sergei Lavrov to the U.S. senate and congress insists NO classified information was given to Lavrov.....
    APPEARS Putin is lying again as normal......

    Well this is a pretty startling detail
    http://nbcnews.to/2pWTawg#
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    On the contrary, weren't you reporting that more than one had been assassinated or otherwise died in mysterious circumstances? The Russian kompromat story has quietly vanished from the news cycle despite its staggering importance if true. Now, it is about Flynn and obstruction of justice...



    Since when has the Gray Lady exhibited anything other than antipathy for Trump's candidacy and presidency? If the secret intelligence is so critical to inter-agency cooperation, how could the Times be given any evidence to verify this story, even if it chose not to publish all of the details?

    Logic, mi amigo: logic.



    So if the Germans withhold intelligence on a Daesh operative who kills or injures U.S. citizens, they will blame Trump and hope that Berlin isn't leveled again? Is that it?

    Aren't German intelligence officers busy in Iraq and Syria trying to determine which ex-Daesh members from liberated areas are trying to blend in with the migratory flows to Europe? The Iraqi courts admittedly are giving most young men a pass as there is little evidence to charge them.

    You do realize that you're trying to act as a corroborating source for the report on the German lawmaker who suggested a moratorium on intelligence sharing, right? Between running a cyber-security firm, traipsing around Brandenburg, meeting with all manner of insiders and posting on SWC/SWJ, when do you sleep?

    By the way, I have a question for your friends at German intelligence: do they still keep in touch with their adopted freedom fighters in Kosovo? Or are narcotics, human and organ trafficking not as interesting as national liberation? Between the ~10,000 PKK operatives in Germany and the ~10,000 MIT officers/Grey Wolves, whose side do they fall on?



    If writing in coherent sentences with proper punctuation, spelling and grammar count as "true academic", then the bar must have been lowered since I last stalked the halls of higher education.

    So, any person that is not breathlessly in favor of your Progressivist and Supranational vision of the future is "sold alt right"?

    You seem to share Putin's opinion that democracy should be managed. Between Brexit and the EU's tough road ahead, perhaps there is a case to be made for integration of the Anglosphere. It would be lovely to see those countries - where true liberal democracy is not a passing fashion, a means to a collective end, or imposed with strategic bombing - try their hand at an alternative bloc.
    Vladimir Putin says he can give record of the conversation between Donald Trump and Sergei Lavrov to the U.S. senate and congress insists NO classified information was given to Lavrov.....

    APPEARS Putin is lying again as normal......

    Well this is a pretty startling detail
    http://nbcnews.to/2pWTawg#
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    Azor...when you have alot of time as ones and zeros are working their magic on a test run...then you have time for this...beside it allows one alot of time to research social engineering in order to understand hackers or and Russian propaganda

    You fail to realize just how many true "Grey Beards" are still in the game in this area....and one cannot dismiss years of ground reality experience in this field and related fields...

    You do realize that you're trying to act as a corroborating source for the report on the German lawmaker who suggested a moratorium on intelligence sharing, right? Between running a cyber-security firm, traipsing around Brandenburg, meeting with all manner of insiders and posting on SWC/SWJ, when do you sleep?
    Besides you might be surprised who these days are working cyber security...

    Lastly if you are reading the Russian cyber thread you will see a number of posts on US proTrump alt right white nationalists who are openly supporting European white nationalists and or neo Nazi's.....AND tying into the Russian info war machine as well....

    NOW drop back to the year 1986 when I was asked by German intelligence to check with US intelligence and see if they could assist the Germans in tracking 14M USDs that had been flowing into Germany and into neo Nazi bank accounts..FROM US banks.....they gave me the print out weighting in those days about two pounds of paper records...

    And it was passed on....response from the USG IC...we cannot provide anything due to privacy issues....14M USDs....and that every six to nine months....AND all from US neo Nazi sources...THIS was 1986....

    REMEMBER intel exchanges are sometimes built on trust and the willingness to share and the US is known even today to not be great "sharers".....

    BTW in that same year approximately 6 TONS of Nazi propaganda had flowed into Germany and was seized and destroyed.....

    ALL from Lincoln Nebraska.....home of who????
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    Israel as the source of the intelligence has been now confirmed ......
    passed to NYTs....

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    Since when has the Gray Lady exhibited anything other than antipathy for Trump's candidacy and presidency? If the secret intelligence is so critical to inter-agency cooperation, how could the Times be given any evidence to verify this story, even if it chose not to publish all of the details?


    THIS is an amazing statement as everyone knows literally all of the MSM never really questioned Trump on much of anything....social media was the only real investigating and publishing group pushing against Trump....

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    Old saying...when chasing Russian info warfare...chase the money....

    Russian State-Run Bank Financed Deal Involving Trump Hotel Partner - WSJ
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian...er-1495031708#

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    Azor.....

    On the eve of his trip to Saudi, here is what POTUS had to say about it last year:
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    I had previously posted a chain of comments on this ......

    "Family of slain DNC staffer demands retractions from Fox News, local TV station" (Via @oliverdarcy)
    http://cnnmon.ie/2pXytjF

    Notice just how this fake news is supported by right wing blogsite....
    David A. Clarke, Jr.‏
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    I admit I do not know all the facts here but as a former homicide detective, was he killed because he knew too much?

    He was nominated by Trump as Asst Director to Homeland Security....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    On the contrary, weren't you reporting that more than one had been assassinated or otherwise died in mysterious circumstances? The Russian kompromat story has quietly vanished from the news cycle despite its staggering importance if true. Now, it is about Flynn and obstruction of justice...



    Since when has the Gray Lady exhibited anything other than antipathy for Trump's candidacy and presidency? If the secret intelligence is so critical to inter-agency cooperation, how could the Times be given any evidence to verify this story, even if it chose not to publish all of the details?

    Logic, mi amigo: logic.



    So if the Germans withhold intelligence on a Daesh operative who kills or injures U.S. citizens, they will blame Trump and hope that Berlin isn't leveled again? Is that it?

    Aren't German intelligence officers busy in Iraq and Syria trying to determine which ex-Daesh members from liberated areas are trying to blend in with the migratory flows to Europe? The Iraqi courts admittedly are giving most young men a pass as there is little evidence to charge them.

    You do realize that you're trying to act as a corroborating source for the report on the German lawmaker who suggested a moratorium on intelligence sharing, right? Between running a cyber-security firm, traipsing around Brandenburg, meeting with all manner of insiders and posting on SWC/SWJ, when do you sleep?

    By the way, I have a question for your friends at German intelligence: do they still keep in touch with their adopted freedom fighters in Kosovo? Or are narcotics, human and organ trafficking not as interesting as national liberation? Between the ~10,000 PKK operatives in Germany and the ~10,000 MIT officers/Grey Wolves, whose side do they fall on?



    If writing in coherent sentences with proper punctuation, spelling and grammar count as "true academic", then the bar must have been lowered since I last stalked the halls of higher education.

    So, any person that is not breathlessly in favor of your Progressivist and Supranational vision of the future is "sold alt right"?

    You seem to share Putin's opinion that democracy should be managed. Between Brexit and the EU's tough road ahead, perhaps there is a case to be made for integration of the Anglosphere. It would be lovely to see those countries - where true liberal democracy is not a passing fashion, a means to a collective end, or imposed with strategic bombing - try their hand at an alternative bloc.
    Azor...you tend to forget that I have been in both the IT security and intel business for more than 51 years and when you have been ever strip searched by the GDR Stasi on a border crossing...then you tend to view the world not through rose colored glasses...and one knows how to balance the day to day....and when one works and lives overseas for more than 30 years you tend to have a far different view of the world than those living in the US.....my cat has her own pet passport and it has more country stamps in it than most Americans have ever visited as tourists...
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    Aztor...so are you finally willing to admit that just maybe rump and a large number of his associates are either going to jail and or "fleeing to Moscow"????

    ]NBC News: Officials say multiple grand jury subpoenas & records requests have been issued in connection with the 2 men in the past 6 months

    If the SWJ Moderator had not been removing my comments on these events you would have known that FINALLY MSM is picking up what social media has been reporting on for over FIVE months

    Three Grand Juries....minimum of 24 max of 71 sealed indictments and one FBI raid already on a GOP Consulting Company with ties to Manafort Ukraine and Russia....

    Arrest warrants have been issued and now a Special Prosecutor named...

    So Steel was wrong???

    IMHO I do not care who is elected..just do not be a traitor and collude with Russia regardless of how much money Putin throws at you....at least Obama did not do that....

    Source with ties to Rosenstein says he has been planning to appoint Special Counsel but moved up anncment bc of Trump's actions this week.

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    Actually well worth reading concerning "fake news".....

    Pizzagate's roots in McCarthy, Birchers and JFK haters.

    B.J. Bethel

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    (Fake) News that kills:#PizzaGate scare only the#beginning

    Posted by B.J. Bethel on December 5, 2016

    John Kennedy became President in 1961, as the hangover buzz from the McCarthy hearings was starting to echo through the skull of American culture.
    His predecessor, Dwight Eisenhower, was a military General, he led the Allies to war in Europe during World War II, and was the most knowledgable foreign policy president to hold office. He was also a Republican. And to some, a communist in sheep’s wool – yes, the Republican General who led the Americans to victory over fascism, and developed America’s nuclear deterrent.
    This was the atmosphere that greeted Kennedy in office – the first Catholic elected president, a civil rights supporter, a war hero, and one loaded with personal and family baggage. The John Birch Society was at its peak, as was the crypto-right, and the conspiracy and rumor that surrounded his every step had parts of the nation gripped in paranoia, but a paranoia that looks comical next to the current state of affairs.
    A month before Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas, his UN Ambassador – Adlai Stevenson – was the center of a political riot that followed him from a speaking engagement in the city to the airport, with flags hung upside down as a sign of a country in distress. He was punched by a woman, and left wondering if the city suffered a psychotic episode.
    Kennedy was shot a month later, after his advisors begged him not to go to Dallas. Wanted posters with his face were handed out. He wasn’t murdered#by a Bircher, but by a communist – Kennedy was the ultimate U.S. Cold Warrior at the moment.
    The gas went out of the extremist movement when conspiracy became realization. Oswald was no right-winger (he tried to murder former General Edwin Walker in his own home, a staunch far-right figure). But the atmosphere soon died following y the site of a young and devastated Jackie Kennedy – with her husbands blood still on her hands and clothing – standing next to Lyndon Johnson as he was sworn in, of Kennedy’s son saluting his father’s casket. The Dallas fever kill John F. Kennedy, and his death killed it, along with efforts by conservatives to banish it from their movement.
    It was during this period William Buckley – owner and publisher of the conservative National Review – former Democrat Norman Podhoretz and 1964 GOP Presidential nominee Barry Goldwater met and formulated a plan to cleanse the conservative movement of the extremists within it. Buckley would do the work in the magazine, Goldwater would avoid confronting them directly, and Podhoretz would provide intellectual fire power along with Buckley. Today such a repudiation of extremists on either side of the aisle would never happen – the price paid for political bravery isn’t known, because no one has tried it in so long.
    Just months after Buckley died, the Great Recession was in absolute#thrall and Barack Obama was elected the first African-American president, Tea Party protests began. A grassroots middle class movement when it started, upset at bailouts for banks and a slap on the wrist given to bankers and politicians for destroying trillions in retirement funds, and millions of jobs, it was co-opted by the far right almost immediately. In Northwest Ohio, many of the Tea Party protests organized in rural areas were by local committees of the John Birch Society. The fever pitch was growing two decades before.
    The Fairness Doctrine, which mandated equal time given to opposing views on radio and television, had been put to rest by Congress. Conservative radio followed, which provided a source of news for many who felt condescended to by the networks in their media capitals. But talk radio isn’t news, and quickly Rush Limbaugh began growing nationwide as Bill Clinton began his run as president. Soon followed conspiracy theories of the Clintons murdering confidante Vince Foster. The theme was carried to ridiculous ends during the 2016 campaign.
    We’ve now reached the Dallas fever point#– Sunday, Dec. 4, 2016, when a man from North Carolina walked into a Washington DC pizza place carrying an assault rifle to investigate internet ‘claims’ of a pedophile ring. The fake story planted on Twitter, using the #PizzaGate hashtag, spread through the usual corridors of Reddit, and based on one fact – Clinton 2016 campaign chair John Podesta liked the pizza there.
    During a post arrest interview, the suspect also revealed that he came to the establishment to self-investigate “Pizza Gate,” the MPD said in a statement.
    As CBS affiliate WUSA reported previously, using the hashtag #PizzaGate, an imaginary story about the popular pizza shop was spread, accusing it to be the center of a child sex slave ring organized by Hillary Clinton and her former campaign manager.
    As a result, the pizza place was hammered by thousands of threats, and bizarre, unsubstantiated tales about child sex trafficking.
    WUSA reported that they found two women, who declined to give their names, banging on the patio at the pizza place in late November. The women were looking for the alleged tunnels used to traffic children.
    Police arrested the man, no one was hurt, no one died – but it’s a near certainty someone will. Even as this story broke, the son of the would-be National Security Advisor continued to peddle the absurd and sick conspiracy theory on his own Twitter account. There are those with the moral authority like John Kasich and Mitt Romney to stand in the face of Nut Country and say, “No,” but they are out-numbered by the opportunists, and with Social Media, they wouldn’t stand a chance. When we need fact-checkers the most, our Fourth Estate is at its weakest.
    When someone dies because someone else needed the ‘lulz,’ or Facebook liked its bottom line better than being a responsible company, there won’t be a Kennedy moment. The decency of the majority won’t stand a chance against the ravenous whims and sociopathy of the decadent minority, armed with “communication tools” the inventors of which don’t grasp or understand the consequences of.
    Journalist and author Peter Hitchens mentioned in his book “The Rage Against God,” that Christianity, church and civic community began to disappear from England after World War I. After the war took every of-age male in some villages and towns, monuments were placed. A new religion took over in benighted worship of the military service.
    This effect has reached the U.S. following the loss in Vietnam, of ill-treatment of veterans and the breakdown in faith of government institutions. To make up, the military is exalted in ways my Greatest Generation veteran relatives found extremely uncomfotable, but it hasn’t replaced religion in America, politics has. Maybe it was the Moral Majority, maybe it was the Reagan Coalition, maybe it was the abortion fight. Maybe it was the 60s left. But politics became everything, and as Goldwater once said, “Extremism, in defense of liberty, is no vice. And moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.”
    Since that 1964 speech, extremism and vice have grown by multitudes, anarchy is in place of liberty and justice is no longer in fear of pursuit because the world is drowning in a sea of technology, ironic displacement, and the lies of the humanity’s worst
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    An interesting development which goes to the heart of the failure of US MSM in pushing back on Russian info warfare and fake news...

    I kept commenting on a running development being tracked by social media especially two journalists that were breaking news on the Russian Trump connection and IC/FBI investigations and who have long ago already posted this BUT were being blasted by MSM for "fake news"....

    THIS was reported on days ago and no one paid attention because it had not come from MSM...

    NBC News: Officials say multiple grand jury subpoenas & records requests have been issued in connection with the 2 men in the past 6 months


    THESE two journalists called it correctly for the following.

    1. FISA Warrants numbers and when issued AND against who
    2. number of Federal Grand Juries convened.....THREE
    3. sealed indictments on 6 total of 19 more coming....NOW confirmed
    4. confirmed a coming FBI raid involving RICO and Russia connections...OCCURRED....
    5. have indicated that the EDVA Federal Courts have cleared their calendars of all cases...totally unusual.....not confirmed yet by MSM

    Social media has become one of the most successful areas for accurately driven OSINT if done correctly and it is deep in the fight against Russian info warfare and fake news and Russian botnets...BUT nothing from MSM....

    BUT what is sad is that everytime a MSM states...scoop and breaking news THEY overtly forget who actually broke the story and cannot seem to give due credit where it is due...

    REMINDER of what they posted and which has not been picked up by MSM...

    FBI or Federal Marshals plan to apprehend defendants has been approved by the court and their executing warrants when the sealed indictments are unsealed

    This is what was posted yesterday and then take in the DoJ announcement of the Special Prosecutor being named and it is Mueller....not the best person for Trump ...as he has a high degree of respect for his professionalism...

    Ok. Here's what I've learned. I'm pretty solid on most of this but please keep in mind I'm not a lawyer so if you can keep that in mind...

    Shortly after 12pm in the Eastern District of Virginia (EDVA) in a closed and secure courtroom colloquially known as a SCIF, a hearing was held. The Government argued before a 3 judge panel for a MOE (Marshall Order of Execution). The MOE was granted. A revised tactical and logistical plan was approved for Multiple Jurisdictions by the Court. This is a highly detailed plan using hundreds of United States Marshal Service targeting an unknown number of Trump associates. The operation commenced shortly after the Court's approved of the MOE at about 2pm. The MOE filing and number will remain under seal until the indictments are unsealed by the Court. End
    REMEMBER there were social media reporting from these two about unusual court activity yesterday...NOT reported on by US MSM....

    Hmmm. It appears that the EDVA is now closed to members of the public not having business before the court. That's. Highly. Unusual. All dockets cleared from their normal scheduled cases.....which is usually 11 per judge per day that is a total of 33 cases that were scheduled that were cleared off the dockets...

    AND unreported by MSM BUT by these two...there was a major FBI arrest this week in San Francisco and that was rumored as being tied to the actual DNC hacking..who was then flown to the East Coast on the same arrest date....

    These two have also been reporting that the VP Pence is also under investigation as well...

    Glenn Thrush: Pence drove Comey firing; was in the room for Flynn talks in Jan
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    NOW based on the track record of the previous comments posted here by these two social media journalists this takes on a serious tone and is a direct threat to the US...

    EXCLUSIVE: James Comey's Computer Illegally Accessed, Data Passed to Russian Diplomats


    Exclusive: Sources close to the intelligence community report that Director Comey’s#FBI computer was illegally accessed immediately after he was dismissed from his post. They further report that ‘removable media’ was used in the commission of this crime. ‘Removable media’ is a category describing physical devices that can be placed into a computer, either to download information or to upload it, such as a memory card, a USB stick, a removable hard drive, a thumb drive or similar items.

    Sources further report that a person or persons allied to Donald Trump passed data accessed from Director Comey’s computer to Russian diplomats. It is not known when or how this took place. A piece of removable media containing all the data in question has been recovered from hostile actors, sources say, and is now in the possession of the Justice Department.

    Director Comey is said to have known in advance that Mr. Trump would dismiss him. He took careful steps, these sources say, to leave not only a paper trail as we have seen in the story of the ‘Comey Memo’ but also a digital one. Director Comey’s own primary work#computer, and other computers in and around his former office, were fitted with sophisticated intelligence community software allowing the Justice Department to see precisely how and when they were attacked.

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    I have re-opened this thread to house the posts on the internal situation in the USA, primarily around President Trump's governance and the likely impact on US policies abroad.

    The title was Donald Trump Becomes 45th President! but now becomes simply The Trump impact on US policy.

    It is not a thread for one member's posting.
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    Further proof that when social media was calling it out as being accurate...MSM was silent and even dissing their stories...

    ESPECIALLY when they posted THREE Grand Juries were in full operation on the Russian Trump connections, RICO, money laundering.....

    Remember when the grand juries were totes made up?

    THEN days after social media posted this and was laughed at by MSM..from the New York Times....

    US MSM must accept that social media journalism especially investigative journalism is alive and well and in direct competition with them...BUT this is exactly what is needed when pushing back on Russian info warfare...

    The two must inherently work together as that is the only way forward against Russian political warfare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    I have re-opened this thread to house the posts on the internal situation in the USA, primarily around President Trump's governance and the likely impact on US policies abroad.

    The title was Donald Trump Becomes 45th President! but now becomes simply The Trump impact on US policy.

    It is not a thread for one member's posting.
    IMHO..I would love for all US voters for and against Trump or even non US readers to jump as it appears that right now we will be seeing something never seen before...a "political war win from Putin"....

    This has confirmed for me as one fighting a good fight against Russian hacking/info warfare in Berlin and one who is contributing quietly in assisting Europeans in this fight....it has reached a point in the US that is extremely dangerous both for the US and for Europe....

    Russia has a five year jump on the West in this particular political war and everyone must fully understand just what the heck is ongoing especially with internal US affairs as David is correct it directly affects US FP....

    Everyone must now realize that the Russian non linear warfare being used to both drive and support Russia's political war against the US is serious and dangerous as we are on the verge of slightly losing that war unless the US finally pushes back...
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    When you scoop @WashingtonPost AND @NYTimes in a single night on what the @FBI is considering against Ryan and Pence https://patribotics.blog/2017/05/11/...t-gop/#…

    IF these two social media investigative journalists are correct and their track record using inside sources is amazing actually...

    THEN the US is headed to a serious Constitutional crisis .....in that every individual who could/would replace Trump in the line of constitutional secession is in fact under investigation and it could end up being the Senate ProTem who takes over Senator Hatch.......EIGTH in line.....

    The @FBI do not take lightly @Mike_Pence's treasonous collusion against the President of the United States the day he expelled Russian spies...REMEMBER because of the Obama WH concerns already about Russian activities they did not inform the Trump transition team until two hours before the toss out announcement....

    There's total confusion and panic in the WH tonight. Not just among Trump's staff but Pence's too. Real concern Pence will go down w/ Trump.
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    Flynn stopped military plan Turkey opposed – after being paid as its agent
    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/poli...#storylink=cpy

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    I have been repeatedly pointing out over and over the connection between US proTrump alt right ie white nationalists and Russian propaganda efforts....ESPECIALLY on US Twitter and the US right blogsites...

    Donald Trump-Vladimir Putin: Russia's information war meets the US election
    http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-elect...m.html#…

    NOTICE the date of this article....

    It's no secret that Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump like each other. But what's less known is how Russia is attempting to support Trump through social media, by helping galvanise and motivate extremists who in turn#support the controversial Republican candidate.

    Alexandr Dugin's support for Trump filters through to extremists trying to influence the US election.#Photo: Youtube

    A network of Russian-backed anti-Western websites are linked with American white supremacist, sovereign citizen, and conspiracy theory sites. Activists connected to those sites support the Trump campaign, often parroting Moscow's criticism of the US, NATO and the general ills of Western society.#
    "There appears to be some kind of alignment across social media between these extremist#groups in the West and the Russian groups," said Peter Singer, US-based strategist at the New America Foundation. "The key is how much of it is fandom and shared interests (both support Trump, for example) and how much of it is direct inspiration and coordination."
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    Former Israeli spymasters rip into Trump, say Israel must reassess intel sharing.


    Former Israeli spymasters rip into Trump, say Israel must reassess intel sharing
    Ex-Mossad head Shavit: US president is like a ‘bull in a china shop… If tomorrow I were asked to pass information to the CIA, I would do everything I could to not pass it to them’
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/former-...intel-sharing/

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