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    Quote Originally Posted by JMA View Post
    Stan, how many of your compatriots understand this?
    Hey Mark !

    None in civilian clothes. Strange how military can just sense things like this.

    I've said this at least 1,000 times.... we suck at Africa and we are not interested in some investment like training people to understand and appreciate what and who they are dealing with.

    How goes it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan View Post
    Hey Mark !

    None in civilian clothes. Strange how military can just sense things like this.

    I've said this at least 1,000 times.... we suck at Africa and we are not interested in some investment like training people to understand and appreciate what and who they are dealing with.

    How goes it ?

    Regards, Stan
    As you were close to the people on the ground you would learn... even if you arrived with preconceived ideas - which happens all the time in Africa - you will leave with an understanding of the truth on the ground.

    But here is the rub for the civilians - especially the liberals... most can't return and tell their liberal friends that they had it wrong and this is the truth as they now understand it... they would be shunned.

    It is this lack of understanding of how Africa 'works' that leads to aid and interventions being misguided and misdirected. Its a continuing sad story.

    In the case of the CAR how is it possible that the French having been there for 120 years continue to display a near total misunderstanding of the dynamics in that country? Quite pathetic.

    Just spent a year in West Africa. Listened to what the locals said and only asked expats their opinion to see how way off the mark they were... which is sadly pathetic.
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    The AU / UN intervention in CAR remains in trouble trying to stop bloodshed, although with little reporting of late. So the decision of Chad to withdraw will reduce the mission, even if the Chadian soldiers being Muslim are not seen as neutral:
    Chad has contributed roughly 850 soldiers to a 6,000-strong contingent.....The statement said the forces would remain in CAR while the details of the withdrawal were being worked out.
    Link:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26873572
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    A rare BBC report from outside Bangui, CAR's capital:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26817382

    The cauldron of hatred has been stirred by failed politicians who want to stage a comeback, and by the country's northern neighbour, Chad, covetous of Central Africa's resources.

    But it is partly about jealousy between those who had political power but were poor - the Christian majority - and those excluded from politics who seemed slightly richer - the Muslims, Central Africa's main traders and herders.
    UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said on Saturday in CAR:
    French and African soldiers serving in Central African Republic are "overwhelmed" by the "state of anarchy" in the country
    A larger UN mission is planned, although who will provide troops is unknown and only expected to arrive in September. An EU battalion group is due to arrive soon.

    Do I sense a photo-opportunity is coming?
    The US ambassador to the United Nations, Samantha Power, plans to visit Central African Republic next week.
    Link:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...n-Ki-moon.html
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    Default Disarmed to the teeth in Bangui

    A first-hand report from Bangui, which includes:
    The CAR’s interim president, Catherine Samba-Panza, has few of the tools most heads of state rely on to restore order – the army is not allowed to carry guns and her administration has almost no political skills.

    (Later) The latest internal peacekeeping crisis shines an unwelcome light on soldiers from Congo-Brazzaville. Human Rights Watch has documented a number of cases of torture, murder and abduction of locals by the Congolese in areas under their watch. In September the AU forces will change the colour of their helmets and become United Nations peacekeepers.
    Link:http://mg.co.za/article/2014-06-05-d...eeth-in-bangui
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    Default The CAR ceasefire: a (very) small step towards stability

    With the MSM focus being elsewhere I doubt few outside Africa noted diplomacy has ended with a multi-faction ceasefire agreement in Brazzaville:http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/artic.../#.U9JQFKORcdV

    Needless to say some are sceptical that it can be effective:
    I see the ceasefire as a non-event,” said David Smith, director of South Africa-based media firm Okapi Consulting and an expert on the region. “Disarmament is not part of the deal, and that's what Central Africans want most.
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    Default New berets, no change otherwise

    Hurrah? From VOA:
    A United Nations peacekeeping force will deploy Monday in the Central African Republic.....The Security Council authorized the force, known as MINUSCA, to take all necessary means to carry out its mandate in the CAR. For many in Bangui this means that the U.N. troops will not hesitate to use force against armed groups.... Most of the 6,000 African Union troops already in the CAR will join the new U.N. mission.....new troops from Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indonesia have recently arrived. According to the United Nations, a 400 member U.N. police force will be deployed in the coming weeks in Bangui.
    A note of realism from MSF:
    It seems that forces will look different. But right now, we are not confident [in] their efficiency in the coming months in CAR..We have been noticing that although things are improving in Bangui in terms of security, it is not the case in the rest of the country..
    Link:http://www.voanews.com/content/un-pe...c/2449591.html

    The two thousand French troops are not part of the UN mission:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29213557

    Do they have an exit plan?
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