Airliner missing between Malaysia and Cambodia/Vietnam, terrorism possible

[Biggus]

Why the aviation experts explain the engineering an technical aspects I will stick with my universal small wars, big wars, basic Police theory that People cause crimes and wars. in this case I say the backround of the flight crew stinks. Start with the pilot.

It's happened in the past a few times, so I'm open to the possibility. Do you have anything to add to the background of the flight crew beyond what you've said? All I can say to be aware of is that the Captain was incredibly experienced, the FO was reasonably experienced for an FO, and I know nothing of any other crew.

[slapout9]

It's happened in the past a few times, so I'm open to the possibility. Do you have anything to add to the background of the flight crew beyond what you've said? All I can say to be aware of is that the Captain was incredibly experienced, the FO was reasonably experienced for an FO, and I know nothing of any other crew.

Yes, who had motive,means and opportunity? Both the transponders were turned off. That took human action. Who had the means and opportunity to do that? IMO only the crew had those 2 . Now we need to find a motive and who had that motive.

[Biggus]

Yes, who had motive,means and opportunity? Both the transponders were turned off. That took human action. Who had the means and opportunity to do that? IMO only the crew had those 2 . Now we need to find a motive and who had that motive.

It's worthy of some consideration, but given the lack of information indicating malicious intent, I don't see much point throwing around accusations about the crew. That may change, though.

The slow decompression theory that I've found the most compelling thus far has some flaws. Firstly, the aircraft turned quite a bit more sharply than you'd expect it would to leave the airway. Secondly, there's a visible and audible warning to the crew. There is a precedent where a crew ignored such a warning and subsequently crashed (see Helios Airways Flight 522 for example). People do strange things when they're suffering from hypoxia, though.

Edit: For what little it's worth, I am slowly beginning to agree that this looks like a deliberate act. I'm not quite there yet, but it's on my mind.

[Biggus]

And this, released a few minutes ago:

'We are looking at sabotage, with hijack still on the cards,' senior Malaysian police official says

[Biggus]

After yet another day of information leak, denial, retraction and obfuscation, I have come to the conclusion that the mystery will ultimately only be solved by a fisherman in the middle of nowhere.

[slapout9]

It's worthy of some consideration, but given the lack of information indicating malicious intent, I don't see much point throwing around accusations about the crew.

Not throwing accusations at anyone in particular.... but any serious investigation should ''start" with the Pilot and work through the entire crew and then the passengers. They should look heavily at Financial,Medical(not just Psychological),Marriage,Religious,and Political stresses not just past work performance. They should pay special attention to the "Private" Life (and everybody has one) personal habits of the persons of interest.

And as usual my adult warning label! I could be all wrong!!!

[Dayuhan]

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 hijacked, official says

Investigators have concluded that one or more people with significant flying experience hijacked the missing Malaysia Airlines jet, switched off communication devices and steered it off-course, a Malaysian government official involved in the investigation said Saturday.

No motive has been established and no demands have been made known, and it is not yet clear where the plane was taken, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to brief the media. The official said that hijacking was no longer a theory.

"It is conclusive," he said.

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/malaysia-ai...052949104.html

If that's true, the next question is whether they subsequently crashed, or whether they actually managed to land somewhere.

[Dayuhan]

This just keeps getting messier...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...deliberate-act

The Malaysian prime minister says investigators now know that the missing Malaysian airliner’s communications were deliberately disabled and that it turned back from its flight to Beijing and flew across Malaysia.

A newly extended, multinational search stretching all the way from Kazakhstan to the southern Indian Ocean was underway on Saturday after satellite data indicated missing flight MH370 last made contact six hours after previously believed.

Malaysia’s aviation authorities are working with their international counterparts to help determine where exactly the plane may now be, Najib said, who added it was likely to be in one of two possible flight corridors: a northern corridor stretching from northern Thailand to the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan, and a southern corridor stretching from Indonesia out towards the southern Indian Ocean.

The northern corridor would include some of the most inhospitable terrain on the planet and would be a very difficult place to search. It also crosses quite a few nations and several contested areas... is it not likely that an airliner flying off course and without transponder data would at least be noticed by somebody's air defense system, especially if it were flying along the India/China border, or over Kashmir? Would be good to have input from somebody who knows about these things. An arc from Kazakhstan to the southern Indian Ocean would include Afghanistan, Pakistan, potentially western Iran... but only if the aircraft flew over India, which you'd think would hardly go unnoticed.

If it went out over the southern Indian Ocean... big piece of water to search. No chance at all of finding anywhere to land, no target of opportunity, no realistic destination.

They will be investigating everyone on board, I'm sure, any idea of who hijacked it and why could make finding it a great deal easier.

Very strange all around.

[Biggus]

Apparently there is now a possibility that the last ACARS transmission occurred somewhere between Thailand and Kazakhstan, or alternatively Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean at 0811.

Dayuhan beat me to it

Edit: It's worth noting that as far as I am aware, no cargo manifest has been released.

[Dayuhan]

Interesting to see the graphic representation of the "corridors" in your link, though. I read "from northern Thailand to the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan" and imagined a route south of what's illustrated there. The route on that map goes straight over western China, and it's hard to see how the Chinese wouldn't have detected that... unless they did, and aren't talking about it?

The illustrated northern arc also seems incompatible with the earlier statements that the jet was headed toward the Andaman Islands... but at this point none of it really seems to fit. I hope whoever's running the search knows more than what's being released.

The southern arc seems to go absolutely nowhere but open ocean, between Diego Garcia and Western Australia.

Either this is all incredibly weird, or the information released to the public is incredibly deficient... maybe both.

[carl]

The reason I asked about the cargo/freight was because, as per Slap, maybe this is a robbery. Steal the plane. Land it somewhere. Make off with what it was carrying and, God help them, deal with those not in on it and the plane. Who knows too, if that was the case some gov functionaries could be in on it.

I didn't want to speculate like that before but this is so strange now that it can't hurt.