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    Tillerson: recent CW attack was planned, directed and executed by Syrian regime forces.

    We are quite confident of that


    Tillerson: "Chemical attack was planned & directed by Syrian regime"
    Lavrov: "This is a topic we differ on"


    Lavrov starts to say “regarding the investigation into the use of chemical weapons,” then says, “the investigation into reports of the use…”

    Weird how Lavrov keeps asking for OPCW probe into Syria chem attacks when Russia has dismissed past OPCW probes that blamed Assad.
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    "The Syria strike deals Putin a double blow."
    http://www.newsweek.com/nolan-peters...e-blow-581277#

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Tillerson: recent CW attack was planned, directed and executed by Syrian regime forces.

    We are quite confident of that


    Tillerson: "Chemical attack was planned & directed by Syrian regime"
    Lavrov: "This is a topic we differ on"


    Lavrov starts to say “regarding the investigation into the use of chemical weapons,” then says, “the investigation into reports of the use…”

    Weird how Lavrov keeps asking for OPCW probe into Syria chem attacks when Russia has dismissed past OPCW probes that blamed Assad.
    Lavrov is using much of this press conference to attack US policies from ME regime change to Nato bombing Yugoslavia


    BTW...these reasons were exactly the same ones Putin/Lavrov used when explaining Russia humiliation that drove then to militarily annex Crimea and to invade eastern Ukraine....

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    Tillerson says possible that threshold necessary to charge Assad with war crimes may be reached over time
    http://reut.rs/2ozELZQ

    Lavrov starts press conference waving olive branch at Tillerson, then delves into disagreements over chemical attack, list of grievances.

    Tillerson: RUS interference in US elecs "fairly well established... it is a serious issue, serious enough to attract additional sanctions"

    Tillerson: Russia election interference is established, deserves serious consideration, even more sanctions. Lavrov: Nobody talked sanctions

    Lavrov: "we were not shown a single fact" in terms of alleged RUS interference in US elecs, "we were not shown anything"
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    Malyutka ATGM launched from an Islamic State Toyota Land Cruiser with a BMP-1 turret in Deir ez-Zor, Wilayat al-Khayr.
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    UAE & Saudi are backing/training a 3k strong FSA faction known as the Elite Forces that is allied to SDF, counter regime control in DeZ

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    Chemical weapon scientists in UK have tested samples from 4 April #Syria attack. Test results show sarin or sarin-like substance used.

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    Default Ayaan Hirsi Ali - "The Challenge of Dawa" - Thoughts?

    *Posted on the Syria thread due to the 2017 Executive Orders and the focus of overseas counter-terrorism operations in Syria.

    http://www.hoover.org/sites/default/..._final_web.pdf

    EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

    Speaking in Youngstown, Ohio, on August 15, 2016, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump gave a speech on what he unequivocally referred to as “radical Islam.” He declared:

    Nor can we let the hateful ideology of radical Islam—its oppression of women, gays, children, and nonbelievers—be allowed to reside or spread within our own countries . . . [W]-e must use ideological warfare as well. Just as we won the Cold War, in part, by exposing the evils of communism and the virtues of free markets, so too must we take on the ideology of radical Islam. Our administration will be a friend to all moderate Muslim reformers in the Middle East, and will amplify their voices.

    Since Mr. Trump’s election victory and inauguration as president, much attention has been focused on hurried and probably temporary restrictions on refugees, visitors, and immigrants from a number of majority-Muslim countries. Almost no attention has been paid to the broader goals outlined in the Youngstown speech.

    I argue that the speech heralded a paradigm shift away from President Obama’s doctrine of focusing solely on the violence committed by “extremists” to a more comprehensive approach that seeks to undermine, degrade, and ultimately defeat political Islam (or Islamism) as an ideology and a movement seeking to infiltrate and undermine our free society.

    A narrow focus on Islamist violence had the effect of restricting our options only to tools such as military intervention, electronic surveillance, and the criminal justice system. This approach has proved both costly and ineffective.

    Moving beyond the controversy over his executive order on immigration, President Trump now has the chance to broaden our strategy. Instead of “combating violent extremism,” his administration needs to redefine the threat posed by political Islam by recognizing it as an ideology that is fundamentally incompatible with our freedoms and a movement that is working insidiously but effectively to achieve its stated utopia.

    I argue that the American public urgently needs to be educated about both the ideology of political Islam and the organizational infrastructure called dawa that Islamists use to inspire, indoctrinate, recruit, finance, and mobilize those Muslims whom they win over to their cause.

    There is no point in denying that this ideology has its foundation in Islamic doctrine. However, “Islam,” “Islamism,” and “Muslims” are distinct concepts. Not all Muslims are Islamists, let alone violent, though all Islamists—including those who use violence—are Muslims. I believe the religion of Islam itself is indeed capable of reformation, if only to distinguish it more clearly from the political ideology of Islamism. But that task of reform can only be carried out by Muslims. Happily, there is a growing number of reformist Muslims. Part of the Trump administration’s strategy must be to support and empower them.

    The other part of the strategy requires confronting dawa, a term unfamiliar to Americans. Dawa as practiced by radical Islamists employs a wide range of mechanisms to advance their goal of imposing Islamic law (sharia) on society. This includes proselytizing but extends beyond that. In Western countries, dawa aims both to convert non-Muslims to political Islam and to instill Islamist views in existing Muslims. The ultimate goal of dawa is to destroy the political institutions of a free society and replace them with the rule of sharia law.

    Dawa is to the Islamists of today what the “long march through the institutions” was to twentieth-century Marxists. It is subversion from within—the abuse of religious freedom in order to undermine that very freedom. Another analogy is also possible. After Islamists gain power, dawa is to them what Gleichschaltung  (synchronization) of all aspects of German state, civil, and social institutions was to the National Socialists.

    There are of course differences. The biggest difference is that dawa is rooted in the Islamic practice of attempting to convert non-Muslims to accept the message of Islam. As it is an ostensibly religious missionary activity, proponents of dawa enjoy a much greater protection by the law in free societies than Marxists or fascists did in the past.

    Worse, Islamist groups have enjoyed not just protection but at times official sponsorship from government agencies duped into regarding them as representatives of “moderate Muslims” simply because they do not engage in violence.

    All this means that the new administration urgently needs to devise an anti-dawa counterstrategy that employs the full range of tools at our disposal.

    The purpose of this report is to suggest the basis for a new anti-dawa strategy, designed to check the advance of political Islam as an ideology and a movement.

    In the first part, I describe the constitution of political Islam: the foundational principles, terminology, and objectives of Islamist ideology.

    In the second part, I analyze the infrastructure of political Islam, in particular the institutions and techniques of dawa.

    In the third part, I propose a number of policies that I believe will, if properly implemented, halt the spread of political Islam in the United States and perhaps also abroad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09
    Azor...Russian military can in fact project power...via their GRU Spetsnaz...Russia Plans Joint Military Exercises in Nicaragua - 100 Russian paratroopers and 10 combat air vehicles…This is the size of a Spetsnaz Company plus vehicles...all air deliverable...that is all it takes to project an image of combat power these days for the MSM...
    Mon Dieu! Does #USNORTHCOM know about this?

    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09
    Putin has just enough troops and combat power to tip the scales if his infantry comes from Iran which is the case...and as long as Iran provides the infantry...Assad will continue to try to recapture the entire country.
    But Russian military activities appear more geared toward securing Assad’s Alawi enclave and pushing rebel groups away from its edges. Russia would have to make major additional contributions in order to help Assad retake the areas currently under Daesh control, and what of the PYD-SDF areas or the TAF-FSA areas? Is Assad willing to give the Kurds independence? Is Russia prepared to kill Turkish and American soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09
    Here is Putin's problem...they stepped up and in an open agreement with the US for not bombing Assad after his first major gas attack in 2013 THEY Russia would guarantee that ALL Assad CWs would be withdrawn...which we know did not truly happen....

    So it behooves Russia to fix the problem...this has nothing to do with what Obama did and or did not do...Russia was the guarantor for the CW removal not Obama WH...the Obama WH mistake was not to heed warnings from some serious CW investigators that not all had been removed...
    Putin was a guarantor, but it is doubtful that Russia could entirely account for all of Assad’s stockpiles. Moreover, Obama was fully aware of the limitations of the agreement and made it anyway. The vanishing of Syria from the American news cycle as Assad resorted instead to chlorine was a cynical American establishment suppressing inconvenient truth.

    I would hold Khamenei more responsible than Putin. There is no way that Assad used CWs without explicit approval or instructions from Teheran. The Iranians and their mercenaries riddle Assad’s remaining institutions, and certainly under Obama, Teheran knew that it would never be blamed or even acknowledged because of the importance of the JCPOA, and the MSM also colluded to bury this other inconvenient truth. Obama, Putin and Khamenei were all pleased for various reasons to have the Syrian Civil War framed as a contest between the U.S. and Russia. Not so now…

    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09
    If you really watch Trump's WH they did the one strike and have been all verbal since then...basically finding all kinds of reasons to not follow it up with further strikes in order to stop even the normal plain barrel bombs...
    The fact that you want mission creep and that you feel the strike was not enough, are quite frankly irrelevant. You do realize that the isolationist crowd considers the Sarin attack in the same light as Iraqi WMDs or the Gulf of Tonkin, and believes that a few dozen TLAMs are Operation Iraqi Freedom redux, don’t you?

    Put you on the NSC and the U.S. would be engaged in great power conflicts in Ukraine and Syria at the least, if not more places… The issue with SWJ/SWC is that experts in tactics and insurgencies often assume that they are equally adept when it comes to grand strategy and great power clashes. For instance, Wavell was a far abler operational and tactical commander than Churchill, who hamstrung the Western Desert Force in North Africa in 1941, but Churchill was the strategic genius of the war.

    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09
    Here is my opinion...Putin is trapped right now by his own actions....he desperately started all of this i.e. eastern Ukraine...Crimea and Syria to be "accepted as an equal super power and be able to look into the eyes of the other two superpowers US/China at the same eye level"...and suddenly it looks like China/US are potentially doing a joint deal on NK without Putin and the US is directly and suddenly confronting him in Syria...

    So right now he is not at "eye level"...and at the same time he has a growing number of Russians willing to openly demonstrate against him and his corruption i.e. the current trucker unrest which is spreading across all of Russia...because the owner of the toll company is the son of a very close Putin supporting oligarch and there was no need for the sudden toll increases other than to increase the corruption earnings of the son...

    Guns or butter...that is Putin's choice and he can no longer pull off both at the same time...
    I think that Putin is in less of a vice than you claim. Note that these claims have been made by you and others, including the U.S. government, since 2014. Of course, the latter made them in order to justify denying Ukraine arms and relying solely upon diplomatic and economic punishment of Russia.

    I completely agree with you that there is a toll being taken. It is impossible to know whether these bouts of unrest will fizzle out, worsen gradually over time or explode into violent revolution. Unfortunately, the history of revolutions give us little to go on in the way of indicators that can predict them with any accuracy. For instance, not only Ceausescu but the international community, was taken by surprise at the pace of events.

    There is increasing disgruntlement and Russian economic growth has backslid from its levels prior to 2014. However, Putin is still far ahead of the catastrophic Yeltsin era and well above the Soviet experience of the late 1980s:

    • GDP PPP Per Capita has doubled since 1999, and is still 17% higher than in 1990 (RSFSR)
    • Corruption is still a major problem in Russia, however, it the CPI has improved substantially since Putin was elected (20-29)
    • GDP from manufacturing has consistently grown (doubled since 2003)
    • GDP (constant prices) has almost tripled since 2003
    • Russian FOREX reserves have fallen 1/3 since 2009, but were non-existent during Yeltsin’s tenure
    • Russia’s government debt-to-GDP ratio fell 10X from 1999 to 2007, and remains below 20% of 1999 levels


    So like it as not, Putin does have room for both, although he seems to be cautious about over-spending on foreign policy stunts. In all probability, Putin will leave the economy to its own devices and seek to regain prestige on the world stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    Mon Dieu! Does #USNORTHCOM know about this?



    But Russian military activities appear more geared toward securing Assad’s Alawi enclave and pushing rebel groups away from its edges. Russia would have to make major additional contributions in order to help Assad retake the areas currently under Daesh control, and what of the PYD-SDF areas or the TAF-FSA areas? Is Assad willing to give the Kurds independence? Is Russia prepared to kill Turkish and American soldiers?



    Putin was a guarantor, but it is doubtful that Russia could entirely account for all of Assad’s stockpiles. Moreover, Obama was fully aware of the limitations of the agreement and made it anyway. The vanishing of Syria from the American news cycle as Assad resorted instead to chlorine was a cynical American establishment suppressing inconvenient truth.

    I would hold Khamenei more responsible than Putin. There is no way that Assad used CWs without explicit approval or instructions from Teheran. The Iranians and their mercenaries riddle Assad’s remaining institutions, and certainly under Obama, Teheran knew that it would never be blamed or even acknowledged because of the importance of the JCPOA, and the MSM also colluded to bury this other inconvenient truth. Obama, Putin and Khamenei were all pleased for various reasons to have the Syrian Civil War framed as a contest between the U.S. and Russia. Not so now…



    The fact that you want mission creep and that you feel the strike was not enough, are quite frankly irrelevant. You do realize that the isolationist crowd considers the Sarin attack in the same light as Iraqi WMDs or the Gulf of Tonkin, and believes that a few dozen TLAMs are Operation Iraqi Freedom redux, don’t you?

    Put you on the NSC and the U.S. would be engaged in great power conflicts in Ukraine and Syria at the least, if not more places… The issue with SWJ/SWC is that experts in tactics and insurgencies often assume that they are equally adept when it comes to grand strategy and great power clashes. For instance, Wavell was a far abler operational and tactical commander than Churchill, who hamstrung the Western Desert Force in North Africa in 1941, but Churchill was the strategic genius of the war.



    I think that Putin is in less of a vice than you claim. Note that these claims have been made by you and others, including the U.S. government, since 2014. Of course, the latter made them in order to justify denying Ukraine arms and relying solely upon diplomatic and economic punishment of Russia.

    I completely agree with you that there is a toll being taken. It is impossible to know whether these bouts of unrest will fizzle out, worsen gradually over time or explode into violent revolution. Unfortunately, the history of revolutions give us little to go on in the way of indicators that can predict them with any accuracy. For instance, not only Ceausescu but the international community, was taken by surprise at the pace of events.

    There is increasing disgruntlement and Russian economic growth has backslid from its levels prior to 2014. However, Putin is still far ahead of the catastrophic Yeltsin era and well above the Soviet experience of the late 1980s:

    • GDP PPP Per Capita has doubled since 1999, and is still 17% higher than in 1990 (RSFSR)
    • Corruption is still a major problem in Russia, however, it the CPI has improved substantially since Putin was elected (20-29)
    • GDP from manufacturing has consistently grown (doubled since 2003)
    • GDP (constant prices) has almost tripled since 2003
    • Russian FOREX reserves have fallen 1/3 since 2009, but were non-existent during Yeltsin’s tenure
    • Russia’s government debt-to-GDP ratio fell 10X from 1999 to 2007, and remains below 20% of 1999 levels


    So like it as not, Putin does have room for both, although he seems to be cautious about over-spending on foreign policy stunts. In all probability, Putin will leave the economy to its own devices and seek to regain prestige on the world stage.
    Azor...your core problem is that you do not speak to Russians on a daily basis as I do often here in Berlin..all in their 20/30s and they are not going back home any time soon....

    The trucker strike right now is extremely well known inside Russia little known outside Russia and it goes to the heart of the Russian economy slash corruption.

    You quote figures and percentages BUT in the end it is the society that right now sees their real income sinking to levels not seen since the 90s..food costs exploding and getting higher with each day and the corruption that the opposition talks about and gets arrested for talking about is up front and in their face and they blame Putin no one else.....

    Great FP successes do not feed you and or your family theses days inside Russia.

    I have from the very beginning stated ...with a Putin and an Assad if one does not confront and confront them daily with all forms of measures they will pull back exactly one inch wait for the West to get lazy which takes exactly two weeks and then moves forward again..

    Diplomacy gets you nowhere...AND you can check my comments in SWC entered right after the annexation of Crimea..concerning the fact that the US pushed diplomacy was doomed to fail and it has....

    Kerry tried it for years and Tillerson ran straight into a setup propaganda show yesterday...Putin has no intention in abandoning Assad and or Crimea and especially eastern Ukraine which he wants to turn into Transnestria with Ukraine paying not Russia...

    You must have missed my Red Banner saying.....

    They both respect you if you respond as they would as they can judge how then to react...BUT get hit by TLAMs and total verbal confrontation in UNSC...then they are confused and lost and grope for what to do...which is exactly what we are seeing in Moscow right now...

    Putin threatens war at every turn...that is his standard threat....in the end he does nothing as he does in fact fear a direct war as he knows he will lose....

    The West on the other hand is actually afraid of war and pulls back under the bluster...thus allowing him to move forward unimpeded..

    Check every move he has made since Georgia...you will notice the pattern...if I can see it then the NSC should be able to see it...if not then they should take a short educational trip to Berlin and talk to actual Russians.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    *Posted on the Syria thread due to the 2017 Executive Orders and the focus of overseas counter-terrorism operations in Syria.

    http://www.hoover.org/sites/default/..._final_web.pdf

    EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

    Speaking in Youngstown, Ohio, on August 15, 2016, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump gave a speech on what he unequivocally referred to as “radical Islam.” He declared:


    Since Mr. Trump’s election victory and inauguration as president, much attention has been focused on hurried and probably temporary restrictions on refugees, visitors, and immigrants from a number of majority-Muslim countries. Almost no attention has been paid to the broader goals outlined in the Youngstown speech.

    I argue that the speech heralded a paradigm shift away from President Obama’s doctrine of focusing solely on the violence committed by “extremists” to a more comprehensive approach that seeks to undermine, degrade, and ultimately defeat political Islam (or Islamism) as an ideology and a movement seeking to infiltrate and undermine our free society.

    A narrow focus on Islamist violence had the effect of restricting our options only to tools such as military intervention, electronic surveillance, and the criminal justice system. This approach has proved both costly and ineffective.

    Moving beyond the controversy over his executive order on immigration, President Trump now has the chance to broaden our strategy. Instead of “combating violent extremism,” his administration needs to redefine the threat posed by political Islam by recognizing it as an ideology that is fundamentally incompatible with our freedoms and a movement that is working insidiously but effectively to achieve its stated utopia.

    I argue that the American public urgently needs to be educated about both the ideology of political Islam and the organizational infrastructure called dawa that Islamists use to inspire, indoctrinate, recruit, finance, and mobilize those Muslims whom they win over to their cause.

    There is no point in denying that this ideology has its foundation in Islamic doctrine. However, “Islam,” “Islamism,” and “Muslims” are distinct concepts. Not all Muslims are Islamists, let alone violent, though all Islamists—including those who use violence—are Muslims. I believe the religion of Islam itself is indeed capable of reformation, if only to distinguish it more clearly from the political ideology of Islamism. But that task of reform can only be carried out by Muslims. Happily, there is a growing number of reformist Muslims. Part of the Trump administration’s strategy must be to support and empower them.

    The other part of the strategy requires confronting dawa, a term unfamiliar to Americans. Dawa as practiced by radical Islamists employs a wide range of mechanisms to advance their goal of imposing Islamic law (sharia) on society. This includes proselytizing but extends beyond that. In Western countries, dawa aims both to convert non-Muslims to political Islam and to instill Islamist views in existing Muslims. The ultimate goal of dawa is to destroy the political institutions of a free society and replace them with the rule of sharia law.

    Dawa is to the Islamists of today what the “long march through the institutions” was to twentieth-century Marxists. It is subversion from within—the abuse of religious freedom in order to undermine that very freedom. Another analogy is also possible. After Islamists gain power, dawa is to them what Gleichschaltung  (synchronization) of all aspects of German state, civil, and social institutions was to the National Socialists.

    There are of course differences. The biggest difference is that dawa is rooted in the Islamic practice of attempting to convert non-Muslims to accept the message of Islam. As it is an ostensibly religious missionary activity, proponents of dawa enjoy a much greater protection by the law in free societies than Marxists or fascists did in the past.

    Worse, Islamist groups have enjoyed not just protection but at times official sponsorship from government agencies duped into regarding them as representatives of “moderate Muslims” simply because they do not engage in violence.

    All this means that the new administration urgently needs to devise an anti-dawa counterstrategy that employs the full range of tools at our disposal.

    The purpose of this report is to suggest the basis for a new anti-dawa strategy, designed to check the advance of political Islam as an ideology and a movement.

    In the first part, I describe the constitution of political Islam: the foundational principles, terminology, and objectives of Islamist ideology.

    In the second part, I analyze the infrastructure of political Islam, in particular the institutions and techniques of dawa.

    In the third part, I propose a number of policies that I believe will, if properly implemented, halt the spread of political Islam in the United States and perhaps also abroad.
    What can I say...sounds great but totally misses the religion itself and the writers really does not fully understand how Islam is built on the six pillars....

    I keep going to my standard answer since spending an unusual amount of time with actual jihadists and talking with them about they religious zeal?

    In many cases I knew the Koran and Koranic sayings better than they did...

    As long as the religion is largely decentralized and allows each Iman or Mullah his own interpretation of the Koran...Shura's and Sunnah's we will have what we see today....

    As long as Islam has four main religious educational centers we will have basically a conservative interpretation of Islam coming out of these centers not a reformist...

    The reformist moves must come from the bottom up..from each local community driving around their views of what they feel is their correct form of government and society....

    The writer completely overlooks this exact development going on in areas under control of FSA in Syria which has over 700 local governing councils which for the ME could be called actual democracy....with free and roughly fair elections with women participating as well.

    Again with all the hype of anti Islamists....I have never seen a single Sharia Court in the US..UK...France and or Germany lately...

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    BREAKING: "There is no doubt" the Syrian regime gassed its own people. I reviewed all the intel myself - Mattis

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    Azor...this kind of sums up the current quality of America leadership coming out of the WH....

    Trump on North Korea: “After listening for 10 minutes, I realized it’s not so easy”

    http://www.vox.com/2017/4/12/1527965...source=twitter

    NOTICE he has never it appears ever participated in a war exercise being fought in Korea.....

    I know of no exercise that does not show the US/Korean forces "winning from the first second"...rather is it a game of simply hanging on until reinforcements arrive or go nuclear immediately....

    BUT hey eating cake during the launch of TLAMs against a country that you cannot even remember the name of is what "great leadership"????

    That eating cake reminds me a little tad of something someone said during the early days of the French Revolution....

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    Azor...force sometimes used in a meaningful way can actually stop most issues....

    IF Obama and the emphasis is on the IF...if he had truly launched a massive and specific TLAM attack over a few days to effectively destroy the Syrian AF and their helicopters we would not have seen the following;.....

    1. Russia entering Syria
    2. Assad using 167-200 times chlorine and sarin against civilians
    3. the fall and utter destruction of Aleppo
    4. the eventual fall through the rebels of Assad
    5. a unified rebel effort against IS
    6. no major entry of Iran and shia militias into Syria in the numbers we now are seeing
    7. IMPORTANT...not over 2.5M refugees in Europe and in Turkey and Jordan
    8. the large amount of war crimes...ie starvation....ethnic cleansing...gas attacks...cluster munitions using incendaries against civilians and residential areas...

    BUT we did not see a major strike in 2013 and we have what now????

    Now one can spin the reality of the use of force anyway one wants to but sometimes when diplomacy goes nowhere after three years...measured force is the way forward...

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    Yes open source OSINT can push back....

    Open-source citizen journalists are fighting back against Russian hacking of Western institutions - via @techreview
    https://www.technologyreview.com/s/6...m_medium=post#


    Problem is MSM never really seems "to get it"....until way to late...

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    Here's one to the shameless liars (including Russian UNSC envoy) claiming the draft res "apportioned blame". Yep, from RussiaToday

    NOTICE the verbiage of "reported use of chemical weapons"..exactly the same verbiage used by Lavrov yesterday in his press conference YET Russia vetoed the SEVENTH UNSC Syrian Resolution.....


    Stall...stall...deflect...deflect.....typical Russian behavior when caught doing something...same in their shot down of MH17.....

    Lavrov calls for an impartial investigation into #SyriaGasAttack

    One hour later: Russia vetoes UN resolution to investigate

    UNSC is effectively no dead just needs to be buried properly....
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    Azor...does this honestly sound like a Russia one can continue to conduct diplomacy with...????

    Don’t You Dare Insult Russia Again!” Moscow's UN Rep Screams in New York
    https://themoscowtimes.com/news/dont...ew-york-57710#

    Time for so called diplomacy with Russia has to be ended as it has not worked a single inch since Georgia...

    Until Putin fully expects a forceful pushback...only then will he pull back...

    AND this is the current WH FP in action...

    In a country where journalists are murdered for their work, Rex Tillerson smiled today when a Russian official (Lavrov) demeaned a U.S. journalist.

    Especially interesting since Lavrov has lied and lied and lied and still lies....

    Tillerson "smiles".....come on????
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    Putin's lies to cover up the Khan Sheikhoun gas attack
    http://orient-news.net/en/news_show/...n-lies#…

    The Moscow Times‏
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    #Russia’s UN ambassador went full gansta on his British counterpart today in New York. “Look at me when I’m talking!” https://themoscowtimes.com/news/dont...-57710#…

    Plus he uses the 2nd person singular, which is extremely impolite in languages like RUS, GER or ESP.
    Not noticeable in English though.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7EJr3qNEZU#…
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    Hands up if you support the use of chemical weapons against Syrian kids
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    #Russian Cluster Bomb attack on #JisrAlShughur, yesterday
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