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    More active Russian "informational conflict".

    Great Czech article on ongoing Russian disinformation inside the Czech Republic
    There's a storm of disinformation raging in #CzechRepublic "Czech Echoes of Kremlin's InfoWar"
    http://goo.gl/BEhlNa
    by @SlawomirBudziak

    #Propaganda
    Czech citizens welcoming #DragoonRide = "Mass Protests" on #Kremlin TV
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/atlant...h/16966022861/ … pic.twitter.com/MDT1EWDhgD

    Khodorkovsky Center @mbk_center
    Baltic countries, Moldova and Poland have suddenly acquired new “People’s Republic” social media pages this year... http://www.newsweek.com/2015/04/03/r...ne-318218.html
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    March 31, 2015

    In Ukraine, the Real Fight is for Europe

    Putin’s War is Not Over Donbas, but a New Russian Empire


    By Stephen Blank

    Russian President Vladimir Putin sees Crimea and Ukraine as "where the spiritual sources of Russia’s nationhood lie," says Stephen Blank, a Senior Fellow for Russia at the American Foreign Policy Council. (Reuters/Maxim Zmeyev)

    According to Vladimir Putin, Crimea and Ukraine are where the spiritual sources of Russia’s nationhood lie. And he “always saw the Russians and Ukrainians as a single people. I still think this way now.”

    People observing the crisis triggered by Putin’s aggression against Ukraine therefore ought to understand what these words mean. Quite simply they mean that for Putin—and for much of Russia as well, even without the constant incitement of Kremlin propaganda—there is no such thing as a separate Ukrainian people, national identity, culture, or history. Seen through this Russian lens, the concept of a Ukrainian state independent of Russia is at best a legend or fantasy. At worst it incarnates a threat to the very existence of the Russian state. And obviously Moscow will meet that threat with violence.

    But the implications of Putin’s rhetoric and actions go deeper. If no Ukrainian state has the right to exist, the entire settlement of 1989-91 in Eastern Europe, and especially in the former Soviet Union, is illegitimate and a standing threat to the Russian state. Thus Putin not only aims to overthrow the entire post-Cold War order in Europe, the Caucasus, and Central Asia, he is also saying that the Russian state as such not only cannot tolerate an independent Ukraine, it can only survive as an empire.

    We need to be clear about this point and what it means because empire, to put it bluntly, means permanent war or conflict. The imperial concept inherently denotes the domination of one people by another and the subjugation of the weaker state by the stronger without any possibility of democratic political expression in the colony. Given Russian history it is equally obvious that no autonomous political life can therefore occur in Russia itself. For Russia, empire is the logical corollary if not precondition for the preservation and extension of Putin’s autocracy. Indeed, it is the only form of state that he and his entourage can envision for Russia or that they have ever known. Moreover, a Russian empire is intrinsically an inherent extra-legal form of rule whose basis is violence (as well as Dostoevsky’s triune formula of mystery, miracle, and authority).

    Putin’s objective, then, can only lead only to a perpetual state of war within the former Soviet space and a state of siege with Europe and the world. That means another Cold War, if not a series of hot wars along Russia’s periphery. Russia has already been a state in a permanent war condition since 1994 when the Chechen war broke out as what used to be called a war of national liberation. Now the entire North Caucasus is aflame with a militant Islamist uprising that Moscow cannot quell and that has become ever more brutal. The Kremlin’s 2008 war with Georgia, which Putin admitted to planning from 2006, its coercive incorporation of the Georgian territories of Abkhazia and South Ossetia into Russia, and the war with Ukraine all represent a working out of this logic of imperialism and war.

    Even if the Ukraine war devolves into a so-called frozen conflict, that logic will still be operative. We already have seen how quickly frozen conflicts can become unfrozen and how they corrode civility and democracy throughout their regions. Beyond that, a renewed Russian empire essentially reincarnates the idea that Russia is not safe unless everyone connected to it, and not only its immediate neighbors, is unsafe or insecure.

    This state can only be preserved then by what the late Russian defense analyst, Vitaly Shlykov, called structural militarization. And we see that happening now with the growth of the defense sector as the rest of the economy shrivels due to sanctions and falling energy prices.

    This is what is at stake in Ukraine. It is not just a quarrel over the fate of Ukraine. It is a war for the future of Russia, and beyond that for the long-term future of European and Eurasian security. And to the extent that we hide behind rhetoric that masks a deeper inaction or complacency about Russia and Ukraine, we are only storing up for ourselves and future generations a larger continental crisis. That crisis, even if we ignore it now, will inevitably occur when the unsustainability of this imperial adventure becomes fully clear not to analysts in the West but to the Russian people and their government. For this regime, unlike Gorbachev’s, will not go peacefully. In a country that is arming itself to the hilt, and that possesses nuclear weapons, that is a terrifying future. Thus inactivity today only ensures and accelerates the onset of the much larger conflict that Putin’s action will inevitably bring upon Russia.

    Dr. Stephen Blank is a Senior Fellow for Russia at the American Foreign Policy Council.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Major Russian assault across the Minsk 2 contact line currently in progress and in full violation of the Minsk 2---WHILE France, the US and Germany are all in Switzerland dealing with Iran--AND that is not a coincidence?????

    Confirmation
    Russian troops are trying to storm the front in #Shyrokyne.
    This is no "regular" fire,but a breakthrough attempt.
    - @news112ua


    Russian Heavy SP artillery in use today against Ukrainian positions-violation of Minsk 2:
    #Shyrokyne and #Berdyansk under #Russia|n attack, self propelled heavy artillery used for 1st time since a while. 2 Azov soldiers WIA.

    Regiment #Azov uses 120 mm mortars, automatic grenade launchers, tanks and small arms to fight off the Russians. They use heavy artillery

    #BREAKING #ANALYSIS #MAP
    SEVERE RUSSIAN ASSAULT ON SHYROKYNE, BERDYANSKE AND SOPYNE ONGOING
    2 #Azov troops WIA so far pic.twitter.com/CGX4m662xL

    Here is the source: http://novosti.dn.ua/details/248194/
    Battalion Donbas was called to "redeploy to Kiev" ...

    #Coincidence?!
    This morning #BattalionDonbas was withdrawn from #Shyrokyne by the Ukr MIA.
    In the afternoon the Rus assault starts.
    #treason

    this is not about the West.
    It's about pro-Russian traitors within the Ukr administration and military structure

    http://www.gazeta.ru/social/2015/03/31/6619981.shtml … The volunteer “Donbass” battalion has apparently received an order to leave Mariupol & make way for “Azov."

    The latest @OSCE_SMM report is full of inaccuracies & even false claims about the situation in #Shyrokyne.
    I marked 2 pic.twitter.com/Xan0mhXID1
    The Minsk 2 has now formally failed and the fighting in back on again-with all Western FMs in Switzerland--notice the fighting has been ongoing now for hours BUT not a single western comment.

    Heavy fighting outside #Mariupol #Ukraine right now Heavy artillery & mortars for hours. #Shyrokyne is in flames pic.twitter.com/2rBRHT46f3

    #Shyrokyne on fire from separatist heavy artillery just outside #Mariupol #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/zQoX1fMAQA

    Give @OSCE_SMM one day to "confirm", the Ukrainian side is responsible for this attack! ...

    "This might be #war":Azov soldier in #Mariupol #Ukraine today as heavy artillery attack continues. pic.twitter.com/3p9JcYwkuN
    https://twitter.com/nolanwpeterson/s...40638028685312
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    What is now coming????????? This is a totally unscheduled meeting.

    Putin Convenes Urgent Russian Security Council Meeting
    16:53 (GMT)

    President Vladimir Putin convened an urgent meeting of the Russian Security Council, TV Rain reported.

    The agenda included the situation in Yemen, the talks in Lausanne about the Iranian nuclear program, the current situation in the southeast of Ukraine and the implementation of the Minsk agreement, said presidential administration spokesman Dmitry Peskov.

    Also on the agent was the internal situation in Russia. The Security Council, chaired by Nikolai Patrushev, meets regularly to prepare decisions for the president.
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    Another great example of the Russian “altered state of reality”:

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    Australia still in utter confusion over root causes of Ukrainian crisis
    http://tass.ru/en/world/786243 @RusEmbAU

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    The Minsk 2 has now formally failed and the fighting in back on again-with all Western FMs in Switzerland--notice the fighting has been ongoing now for hours BUT not a single western comment.

    Heavy fighting outside #Mariupol #Ukraine right now Heavy artillery & mortars for hours. #Shyrokyne is in flames pic.twitter.com/2rBRHT46f3

    #Shyrokyne on fire from separatist heavy artillery just outside #Mariupol #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/zQoX1fMAQA

    Give @OSCE_SMM one day to "confirm", the Ukrainian side is responsible for this attack! ...

    "This might be #war":Azov soldier in #Mariupol #Ukraine today as heavy artillery attack continues. pic.twitter.com/3p9JcYwkuN
    https://twitter.com/nolanwpeterson/s...40638028685312

    #BreakingNews
    #Azov says, it repulsed the Russian attack on #Shyrokyne for today, killing at least 3 enemy troops.

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    Donetsk rebel eagerly recounts Russian generals' key role in the Ukraine conflict. "I thought everybody knew!" Oops. http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/interna...ebel_interview

    Photographs Expose Russian-Trained Killers in Kiev http://thebea.st/1wi7Pjt

    #Russia-terrorist forces violated the "ceasefire regime" 26 times over last 24 hours - ATO press center
    http://novosti.dn.ua/details/248249/

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Finally a US Army General calls what has been ongoing in eastern Ukraine exactly what it has been---pure undulated war with a very large W.

    Gen. Hodges:"The fighting that has been going on in Ukraine is a very serious, kinetic, violent steel-on-steel fight" http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...nd-rocket-fire

    US general says new Russian offensive in Donbas ‘possible after Easter’
    http://www.unian.info/world/1062027-...er-easter.html … pic.twitter.com/lOsDXgPEje

    Russia had to supply 150 tons of artillery shells and rockets per day of fighting—NOTE: there is no artillery munitions and or rocket munitions plant inside eastern Ukraine---all came from Russia.

    Gen. Ben Hodges: "We have never been under Russian artillery like the volume that they are experiencing" in Ukraine


    http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...nd-rocket-fire

    Gen. Clark: RU pullback is to regroup after AFU survived RU testing mil technology not seen in 21st century warfare
    Armed Forces of the Ukraine AFU
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    This #Russia radio jamming system pictured in #Luhansk is unique, couldn't B used by other countries, or any "rebels" pic.twitter.com/it82PmA0xt

    Russian Soldiers Have Given Up Pretending They Are Not Fighting in Ukrainehttps://news.vice.com/article/russia...ing-in-ukraine … @ASLuhn @vicenews pic.twitter.com/9ZoyW0KgkA

    Militants mark own tanks w/ #ATO insignia. 8 such tanks were spotted near Mayorsk. ATO command warms of provocations

    In Krasnodon, #Luhansk region militants used locals and miners to unload ammunition on 29 Mar - Deputy #ATO Head Fedichev
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    Dragoon ride is Russian&Czech pro-Russian Great Propaganda debacle.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJATG2iVYhg

    Ratio Pro-US/EU/NATO Czech citizens versus pro-Putin maybe 1000:1 and it is number pro-Putin very optimistic.

    But yes,is it might as well leaderships challenge-imminence dehydration

    https://twitter.com/ErbenTom_C4M/sta...81601631535104

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    20 #Russia|n BTR's arrived by train in #Debaltseve yesterday - via @xyevii_kharkov

    Ukrainian officer: "we got a good deal; we gave up nukes like the US asked & now they're giving us some used cars (Humvees) for our defense"

    Russia Launches Next Deadly Phase of Hybrid War on Ukraine http://www.newsweek.com/2015/04/03/r...UAJBa0.twitter

    #OSCE report points to militant grad attack on Ukrainian positions despite ceasefire #Ukraine http://uatoday.tv/politics/osce-repo...re-418799.html … pic.twitter.com/a2pRzKIKGs

    More Russian disinformation
    Purgin: the centers of recruitment of volunteers in Ukraine are financed by the U.S>
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/31-marc...-of-volunteers

    Ex-KGB officer: #Putin's been lying about what his rank really was within the KGB:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/putin...the-kgb-2015-3 … pic.twitter.com/fvunXjDbHj

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    Even Russian disinformation gets April fooled and taken for a ride—seems their mainstream media broke out in a mild “panic” as they all believed it to be true:


    RIA called the EU to ask whether France planned to sell Mistrals to EU and man them with Benelux sailors: http://ria.ru/world/20150401/1055853909.html

    Russia's official news agency goes in detail on the "Mistral sale to EU" story, infographics and all http://ria.ru/world/20150401/1055853909.html

    Russian sites reporting EU to buy Mistrals, name them "Juncker" and "Mogherini," man them with Benelux Battle Group https://euobserver.com/news/128217

    LifeNews tried to get confirmation of the Mistral sale to EU from French gov't, "Paris had not mentioned such plans" http://lifenews.ru/news/152069

    Ahah..State-run RIA news agency contacted EC, and were told "this is an April Fools story. Do not take it seriously" http://ria.ru/world/20150401/1055853909.html

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    #Putin's internet #trolls spread propaganda in 3-person teams: Villain. Picture. Link.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/russi...n-teams-2015-3 … pic.twitter.com/vpYTFbpna0

    Geoffrey Pyatt ✔ @GeoffPyatt
    Painfully detailed report on Kharkiv/Russia's tactics of hybrid war on Ukraine: http://buff.ly/1BI4TNw by @MaxRTucker

    Russia Increases Repression against Crimean Tatars.Ukraine urges to condemn actions of RU occupiers pic.twitter.com/ldRLg4KRvr

    How Russia protects minorities: Crimean Tatar TV channel ATR taken off air by the occupation authorities in Crimea

    Ukr servicemen were feeding a German Shepard at a blockpost. Discovered a hidden cam on it - militants used it as spy http://www.0629.com.ua/news/784785

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    #News
    Russian forces attacked #Mayorisk, #Leninske, #Troitske, #Avdeevka and #Shyrokyne 13 times between 6 pm and midnight last night.

    Rare Russian Electronic Warfare units spotted
    03-02 Bryanka
    31-3 Lugansk
    http://nevskii-bastion.ru/rtut-bm/ pic.twitter.com/cfot8QbQc2

    DRONE VIDEO Volunteers uncovered Russian terrorist positions in Schastya.
    http://www.ukrinform.ua/ukr/news/vol..._video_2038588
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVqybDqe5wA

    Belsat in English @Belsat_Eng
    #Lukashenka: No stability possible in #Ukraine without Americans
    http://www.belsat.eu/en/articles/luk...out-americans/

    In Kharkiv bridge near circus closed after bomb threat http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/1-april...er-bomb-threat … pic.twitter.com/8OTOlyQxRs

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    Notice that Russia has repeatedly demanded an open and transparent MH17 investigation then they block the Dutch investigators from releasing in Russia a series of questions they needed to have answer.

    Russ media ignored call (in Russian) for potential witnesses of #MH17 disaster. Not on TV nor in press http://s.trouw.nl/3939891

    This is the fifth Russian “myth” to be released about who and or how MH17 was shot down—notice now it is US intelligence lies when Russia asked for the US to release any information they had on the downing:
    RT headline "MH17 investigation going off in ‘wrong direction’ could embarrass ‘many powerful people" http://rt.com/op-edge/245441-mh17-us-intelligence-lies/

    Millerovo military base http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/1-april...ilitary-base-- … pic.twitter.com/OvJ0ABCycM

    Following The Tracks of a Russian Soldier. Part 2. Millerovo base https://en.informnapalm.org/followin...illerovo-base/ … via @en_informnapalm pic.twitter.com/vm2e75IZFc

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    Militants launched most attacks at Artemivsk direction. Used 120mm mortar on Avdiivka https://www.facebook.com/ato.news/posts/973918372618969 … pic.twitter.com/tZ47mI1EBc

    NOTE: Artemivsk is the world’s largest weapons and munitions underground depot –from Soviet Army days—would not be surprised to see Russian troops and her mercenaries attempting to take it..

    Thanks to #EU law, #Gazprom is crumbling. Now it's high time to deliver the final blow. My latest for @euobs https://euobserver.com/opinion/128201

    How #Ukraine "rebels" rely on #Russians
    Who are the Russian "volunteers" serving with pro-Russian rebel forces... http://fb.me/3slsKCwVD

    First time mentioning of this alleged group—in Russian:
    "Kharkiv guerillas" promising "hell in next 48 hours" http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/1-april...-next-48-hourshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSTNm13VE0w

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    General Staff: Most difficult situation near Avdiivka and Mariupol
    http://www.unian.info/war/1062461-ge...-mariupol.html … pic.twitter.com/ZiXVCctu3E

    Russian-Backed Forces Continue To Attack Key Fronts. http://www.interpretermag.com/ukrain...y-fronts/#7739

    It's so hard to find good rebels these days. Russian cops arrest former Luhansk minister for defrauding Russian oil. https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/04/01...-st-petersburg

    #Footage
    Regiment #Azov heavy armor base in #Mariupol.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS6A0OGov1w
    #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/Ql9OrNNeJs

    #Analysis #Map
    The Ukr army moves two SA-11 #Buk systems away from #Donetsk city.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij8F05CnX1Y
    pic.twitter.com/qEFDLRLUoU

    Any idea why Ukraine removes its air defense systems from the front?
    Fearing imminent offensive?!

    Prepping to fall back to less exposed positions when the attack comes?

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    "Shots on border between #Ukraine & #Transnistria. Kiev is afraid of a second front". http://bit.ly/19J3VKc #Ukraina pic.twitter.com/MWEnBRmlJq

    #Ukraine says shooting at #Moldovan Border involved #Transnistrian guards.
    Ukraine disproves allegations of... http://fb.me/7hfz2E9qF

    'Sweet Couple' BAZ-6306 and Giatsint-B on the Border of Ukraine: https://en.informnapalm.org/sweet-co...er-of-ukraine/ … via @en_informnapalm pic.twitter.com/s0kgWrLPpK

    Reports that representatives of #Russia|n FSB arrived at the frontline in eastern #Ukraine, preparing the offensive
    http://nv.ua/ukraine/events/na-pered...ato-41816.html

    Russian #Luhansk vehicle not latest «Ртуть-БМ» (1Л262 ) EW-system, but mobile HF/VHF-station (Р-161Б)
    pic.twitter.com/KJuxzSlcTn

    Another Russian base/camp near Ukraine http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/1-april...-near-ukraine- … pic.twitter.com/QO0l6QxWFV

    Once again: #Ukraine needs mil. aid: Here’s When the Next Incursion Into Ukraine Could Happen http://www.defenseone.com/threats/20...happen/108955/

    Fighting continues near #Mariupol despite ceasefire http://uatoday.tv/politics/fighting-...ne-418890.html … pic.twitter.com/Eb3DhMUxqU

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    Reference the Dutch Investigation Team for the MH17 shot down released video yesterday:

    Appears the Ukrainian State Security has identified one of the individuals on the tape who was talking about the Russian BUK in the Ukraine.


    Russian Army Officer Recognized in #MH17 Prosecutor Tape
    RT@StevenDerix 28 min.
    http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2015/04/01/...itietape-mh17/ … …

    The Ukrainian SBU identified Sergey Petrovsky, an ex-GRU officer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVAOTWPmMM4

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    What is now coming????????? This is a totally unscheduled meeting.

    Putin Convenes Urgent Russian Security Council Meeting
    16:53 (GMT)

    President Vladimir Putin convened an urgent meeting of the Russian Security Council, TV Rain reported.

    The agenda included the situation in Yemen, the talks in Lausanne about the Iranian nuclear program, the current situation in the southeast of Ukraine and the implementation of the Minsk agreement, said presidential administration spokesman Dmitry Peskov.

    Also on the agent was the internal situation in Russia. The Security Council, chaired by Nikolai Patrushev, meets regularly to prepare decisions for the president.
    Unusual as normally one of the main Russian mass media agencies usually makes a comment on what was discussed or decided -- along just general generic comments--but this time nothing has been released.

    Silence is not a good thing--two main items being discussed were--the Iranian negotiations and eastern Ukraine/Minsk. Potentially also the massive rebuff of Putin's speech about the ME ie Yemen/Syria by the KSA FM.
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