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    Syria: Massive #Russia|n & #Assad bombing campaign with dozens of warplanes & 100s of airstrikes in #Hama & #Idlib Provinces tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09
    Putin might in the end abandon Assad BUT he will not abandon Syria...where he has to a large degree "won" a major FP victory over what he thinks is a superpower the US giving him equal bragging rights...a naval base...two airfields and three other bases inside Syria...parking him next to Iran allowing him to defend Iranian interests and able to influence Israel...and the Med and gives him a springboard to Libya. Not counting courting of Turkey and parking himself on the NATO southern flank...So again If he abandons Assad...the person replacing him will be of Russian choice again also backed by Iran…
    If you had actually read my comments on this thread, you would have noticed that I never suggested for an instant that Russia could be pushed out of Syria. My thinking was always along the lines of Assad and Khamenei wanting to conquer the entire country, and Putin wanting a secure pro-Russian enclave in the west, which he more or less has.

    Putin seems reluctant to help Assad reconquer the Sunni Arab center and east, to say nothing of the Sunni Kurdish north. Yet Putin is in no position to oust Assad in favor of a less greedy Alawi leader. Assad would have to be on the brink of defeat and a rebel offensive into Latakia before Putin would have the leverage over both Khamenei and Assad’s supporters.

    Currently, only the U.S. can drive a wedge between Putin and Assad/Khamenei, but far more than the fate of Syria would be at stake. As a first step, I would repeat my earlier recommendation to treat all foreign Shia militias and the entire IRGC as FTOs, and target them whenever they are on the offensive in Sunni Arab or mixed areas to drive them either to the western enclave or out of Syria.

    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09
    Sometimes I post articles that lend themselves to deeper thoughts other than their titles...The article could have easily said I am ditching support for the leaders of the DNR and LNR...which might be a great article title but does not really reflect Putin's geo political goals...in his political war with the West led by the US.
    There are fears and goals that Putin states openly, and ones that he does not. For instance, his violation of the INF Treaty has nothing at all to do with Russia-NATO tensions, but China’s military capabilities. Despite his use of force to deter further EU and/or NATO expansion, Putin is equally wary of China’s bid for mastery in Central Asia.

    The West is an easier target for Putin, because it is fairly conciliatory with regard to Russia, and because China’s conventional capabilities are incredibly threatening. The West has no interest in Russian territory, but the same is not true of China, which looks greedily at the sparsely-inhabited and resource-rich Siberian and Far Eastern districts. Ideally, Putin wants the U.S. out of Europe and China focused southeast, in order for Russia to be the leading power of Eurasia by virtue of its first-among-equals status in Russian-led European and Central Asian coalitions.

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    Azor...you made a previous comment which I responded to about possible division of Syria and I argued get rid of Assad and his criminals and if one really reads the FSA government proposals for an after Assad there is a true possibility of a reuniting of Syria...the sectarian divisions between true Syrians are not that badly damaged...

    BUT the Kurds and Iran are creating far deeper ones right now...

    Key point is yesterday's SVIED attack on the ethnic cleansing convoy of Shia...they were actually under the protection of HTS and Sham who both spent a large amount of time making sure they had food and water and security and they themselves were targeted as well...

    Assad refused medical assistance to "fellow Shia"...Sunni HTS/Sham then organized their own ambulance services and got many to Sunni aid stations..fought the resulting car fires and did what was humanly possible for the victims...with AK47s slung over their shoulders barrels downward...

    REMEMBER Assad did nothing for this convoy with many are saying it was deliberately held up to allow for a SVIED attack by IS...
    The Kurds naturally want an independent Kurdish state, not reintegration into Syria. In northern Iraq and northern Syria that ship has sailed. The more important question is how to make Rojava more democratic and liberal along the lines of the KRG, rather than allowing it to remain under one-party PYD/PKK rule.

    Yes, Assad wants to keep the Civil War sectarian so as to ensure the loyalty of the Alawis, Christians and Druze; atrocities against Sunni Arabs also help in this regard because they make peace and reconciliation difficult if not impossible. Such tactics were also used by Stalin and Hitler.

    Regardless, Syria’s existence as a unitary state is over. Even if it can be kept as a weak and federalized state, the ripple effects will destabilize Iraq, Turkey and Iran, and may radiate further into Lebanon, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Syria: Massive #Russia|n & #Assad bombing campaign with dozens of warplanes & 100s of airstrikes in #Hama & #Idlib Provinces tonight.
    Well, it's not that 'massive' by number of sorties, but yes: plenty of RBK-500s filled with termite coming down:

    Air Strikes by VKS & SyAAF, 15 April#2017.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    If you had actually read my comments on this thread, you would have noticed that I never suggested for an instant that Russia could be pushed out of Syria. My thinking was always along the lines of Assad and Khamenei wanting to conquer the entire country, and Putin wanting a secure pro-Russian enclave in the west, which he more or less has.

    Putin seems reluctant to help Assad reconquer the Sunni Arab center and east, to say nothing of the Sunni Kurdish north. Yet Putin is in no position to oust Assad in favor of a less greedy Alawi leader. Assad would have to be on the brink of defeat and a rebel offensive into Latakia before Putin would have the leverage over both Khamenei and Assad’s supporters.

    Currently, only the U.S. can drive a wedge between Putin and Assad/Khamenei, but far more than the fate of Syria would be at stake. As a first step, I would repeat my earlier recommendation to treat all foreign Shia militias and the entire IRGC as FTOs, and target them whenever they are on the offensive in Sunni Arab or mixed areas to drive them either to the western enclave or out of Syria.



    There are fears and goals that Putin states openly, and ones that he does not. For instance, his violation of the INF Treaty has nothing at all to do with Russia-NATO tensions, but China’s military capabilities. Despite his use of force to deter further EU and/or NATO expansion, Putin is equally wary of China’s bid for mastery in Central Asia.

    The West is an easier target for Putin, because it is fairly conciliatory with regard to Russia, and because China’s conventional capabilities are incredibly threatening. The West has no interest in Russian territory, but the same is not true of China, which looks greedily at the sparsely-inhabited and resource-rich Siberian and Far Eastern districts. Ideally, Putin wants the U.S. out of Europe and China focused southeast, in order for Russia to be the leading power of Eurasia by virtue of its first-among-equals status in Russian-led European and Central Asian coalitions.



    The Kurds naturally want an independent Kurdish state, not reintegration into Syria. In northern Iraq and northern Syria that ship has sailed. The more important question is how to make Rojava more democratic and liberal along the lines of the KRG, rather than allowing it to remain under one-party PYD/PKK rule.

    Yes, Assad wants to keep the Civil War sectarian so as to ensure the loyalty of the Alawis, Christians and Druze; atrocities against Sunni Arabs also help in this regard because they make peace and reconciliation difficult if not impossible. Such tactics were also used by Stalin and Hitler.

    Regardless, Syria’s existence as a unitary state is over. Even if it can be kept as a weak and federalized state, the ripple effects will destabilize Iraq, Turkey and Iran, and may radiate further into Lebanon, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
    Regardless, Syria’s existence as a unitary state is over. Even if it can be kept as a weak and federalized state, the ripple effects will destabilize Iraq, Turkey and Iran, and may radiate further into Lebanon, Afghanistan and Pakistan.


    Totally and completely disagree....there are numerous examples over the last year where the Sunni side has attempted to not allow the fighting to truly degrade into pure sectarian fighting.....

    Where it has gone sectarian it was forced on them by the Shia militias... uncontrolled Assad regime warlords and on a number of occasions Iraqi Hezbollah...

    All the while facing major cluster incendiary munitions, thermobaric bombs/TOS-1 attacks, napalm..bunkerbusters..chlorine and now sarin attacks....starvation...ethnic cleanings and etc......

    I am actually surprised that the entire FSA has not gone totally over to HTS in the last months...

    What Assad...Iran and Putin are attempting to do is to resettle a majority of Syria as Shia based driving largely out the 73% Sunni Arab population by attempting through this ethnic displacement to force all Sunni's into an ever smaller and smaller portion of Syria...OR drive them completely out of Syria.....and reduce that percentage to under say 30-42%...with the Shia...Druze and Christian populations being then in the majority...

    Same exact plan is underway currently in Iraq where the 60% Shia are driving the 35% Sunni population even lower percentage wise....

    Hitler would be envious......
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    Syria, Homs: Video tour of damage to school in Kafer Laha village from government airstrike
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni49hOEZGtE#

    Russian warplanes bombard the area of Harash at city of Ma'arat al-Nu'man south of Idlib

    Airstrike on Khan Shaykhun, Idlib earlier today
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    ANOTHER incendiary cluster munitions air strike....

    SCD facilities were hard hit in these strikes...

    Assad and Putin trying desperately trying to destroy any evidence of a chemical attack...


    Daraa: SyAF Mi-25 dropping 4 unguided bombs over Rebel-held Daraa. pic.twitter.com/WaBi090Ecq

    Death toll from Aleppo Shia convoy bomb attack at least 112

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    Pro #Syrian_Regime published then deleted!
    The car that exploded in #Alrashden was carrying food for children
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    OK who is on an unannounced mission to Syria from the US.......

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    A plane from Washington landed at Kamıshlı airport (under #SAA control)
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    Russian jets bombed the hospital & Civil Defense center in Khan Sheikhoun this morning for the 2nd time in the span of 2 weeks

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    See the unspeakable #Kremlin regime brutality vs. peaceful civilians.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH-N3HLH3Ao#…

    Thermobaric bomb being used here....
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    New video.
    Heavy #Russian parachute bombs are to blame for the four giant explosions in #Lataminah.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WCsl2bmNCQ#…

    Another video showing the extreme #Kremlin regime attacks on #Lataminah in #Ham province today.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDLmXAGspNY#…
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    @SyriaCivilDef rescue two children after an #Assad regime air strike on #Douma city.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syGYP7Osl8k#…

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    Kremlin regime attacks totally destroyed parts of #Daraa.
    Still, they continued today
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFJmDPJUPYw#…

    JUST as in Aleppo....
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    MORE evidence of Assad/Putin attacking civilians in full and complete violation of the International Humanitarian Law on the use of incendiary weapons against civilians.....WHICH Russia signed...

    More footage of the #Kremlin regime incendiary bomb attack on a small village in #Idlib province 3 hours ago.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRRWKj6c7oo#…
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    AFTER the MASSIVE Trump "Wag the Dog" TLAM show for his voters, his polling numbers and to distract from the Russian connections investigation........BUT that so called "red line in the sand" same as Obama actually.... all verbal and that was about it....

    NOTICE he remains TOTALLY and COMPLETELY silent on this massive series of Assad/Putin incendiary cluster munitions attacks which ALSO qualify as "chemical weapons attacks".....

    The #Kremlin regime air force is on a rampage in #Idlib and #Hama province today.
    Nonstop terror.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFdkjAHAJ28#…

    After the last days of a massive incendiary cluster munitions strikes on civilians and bunker busters DOES in fact the political theory of "Wag the Dog"....apply now to Trump as it applied to Bush 2??????

    Trump and his merry WH and of brothers SEEMS to not be aware of Putin's in your face challenge to him..AS he is doing nothing but golfing.....


    Another Trump "Wag the Dog" moment with his MOAB strike.......which was designed to impress both China and NK.....If one looks at the Chinese statements coming out of Beijing the last three days THEY are warning Trump as much as NK...so if one counts the 150K Chinese troops who have close to the NK border I do not see them "calming down NK".......

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    Why would I call China a currency manipulator when they are working with us on the North Korean problem? We will see what happens!
    SO I theory WHAT Trump is saying if the Chinese cannot totally stop NK on their nuclear path and their ICBM path he will then call them currency manipulator's????

    IF we consider the NK response being the failed ballistic missile firing from today potentially then the nuclear test it appears China did not slow down NK at all....

    SO is the currency manipulation charges now coming.....never actually....
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    Opposition photojournalist @AbdHabak seen reacting to #Rashideen bombing (L) then rescuing injured children (R) from the scene.
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    Sunni journalist...Shia child...

    The following is an interesting social media analysis....

    Keep in mind: Opposition activists published the video,showing the SVBIED that killed 126 S-W of #Aleppo did not approach from regime areas.

    Nothing to hide, nothing to conceal.
    Those behind the attack hate Sunni rebels as much as Shiite civilians.

    AND they didn't care the attack would only help the #Assad narrative.
    This excludes a number of possible suspects and includes others.

    In theory the vehicle could have come from regime areas by a number of different routes but in the end it did in fact target rebels being Sham and HTS and Shia refugees were collateral damage....

    Only two possibilities......Assad forces and or IS and we know just how connected IS and Assad are....especially wen one thinks of how many IS SVIEDs have made it lately through Assad check points.....in their Damascus attacks.....
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    Al Jazeera journo Adham Abu al-Hossam seen rescuing Shia civilians in #Rashideen.

    Shia militiamen previously killed his family in #Binnish.
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    White Helmets (@SyriaCivilDefe) worked hand-in-hand with #Syria Arab Red Crescent (@SYRedCrescent) today in #Rashideen, saving lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Opposition photojournalist @AbdHabak seen reacting to #Rashideen bombing (L) then rescuing injured children (R) from the scene.
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    Sunni journalist...Shia child...

    The following is an interesting social media analysis....

    Keep in mind: Opposition activists published the video,showing the SVBIED that killed 126 S-W of #Aleppo did not approach from regime areas.

    Nothing to hide, nothing to conceal.
    Those behind the attack hate Sunni rebels as much as Shiite civilians.

    AND they didn't care the attack would only help the #Assad narrative.
    This excludes a number of possible suspects and includes others.

    In theory the vehicle could have come from regime areas by a number of different routes but in the end it did in fact target rebels being Sham and HTS and Shia refugees were collateral damage....

    Only two possibilities......Assad forces and or IS and we know just how connected IS and Assad are....especially wen one thinks of how many IS SVIEDs have made it lately through Assad check points.....in their Damascus attacks.....
    Aleppo: 126 people were confirmed killed by the SVBIED attack:
    - 68(!) children
    - 109 evacuees
    - 17 rebels and aid workers

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    Hama: Rebels have shelled #Hama Airbase with 40 Grad rockets and destroyed #Assad Mig-23 warplane, ammo depot & several regime buildings.

    Hama Battle: thick smoke rising from #Hama Airbase after hit by dozens of Grad rockets.

    Hama: Heavy fighting at #Souran. #HTS destroyed an #Assad T-72 with #ATGM.

    Hama Battle: pro-Regime forces launched assault on #Souran axis after heavy shelling and airstirkes. #HTS took out a T-72 with #ATGM.

    NW #Aleppo: incendiary attack on Yaqid Al-Adas (near #Anadan).
    http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36...z=13&m#…

    E. #Damascus: Ahrar Al-Sham fighters on #Qabun front.

    E. #Damascus: powerful blasts coming from #Qabun where Regime is using UR-77 Meteorit's high explosive mine-clearing charges.
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    Aleppo: The cargo area of the suspected blue truck seen in video SVBIED was empty. The bomb was probably in the driver's cabin.
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