Here is a proposed possible solution to the eastern Ukraine in the LA Times--the latest of four suggestions---that actually makes sense and actually goes along one of the main points I made month--does the current Ukraine need the Donbas? To make it work the sanctions must remain just a heavy and in place until Russia concedes that it must pull completely back.
What is extremely interesting and is totally overlooked and not commented at all on by western media pundits---the simple fact the Minsk Agreement negotiated by the Ukrainians was basically a solid win---especially if you see the mercenaries and Russia attempting to reverse the win and dragging their feet on continuing on the Minsk path. The mercenaries attempted a month ago to state they had not signed the agreement but that was rapidly shown to be a lie when their own signatures were shown to the press---since then they keep attempting to talk change but the Ukraine says no and even with Russian verbal help not much is actually possible as Russia signed the agreement as well.
Well worth the read. As the current Ukraine leadership seems to be headed in that direction which I believe the Russians fully understand is also occurring. Militarily the UA has held on well, started an intensifying guerrilla war and has inflicted heavy losses on the RA, and is in fact rebuilding all in the middle of a war.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...221-story.html
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 12-20-2014 at 12:47 PM.
#Russian artillery unit location in #Donetsk oblast,conflict zone E #Ukraine. Dec18 http://www.empr.media/video/conflict...sk-dec-18-2014 …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtBootFoIsA
Dozens of Russian army BTR-82A "en route to #Ukraine".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJK8qruOn5M …
pic.twitter.com/cBbN8zALLQ
#Lugansk reg - Terrorists damages the gas distribution station Krymske, gas supply and electricity halted to a part of Lugansk reg - @NSDC
Another example of now the Russian mercenary "altered state of reality" seems to be catching from the Russian side.
Zakharchenko invites US Pres Obama who do not recognize him & his state to visit DNR
http://bit.ly/1ARy41R
pic.twitter.com/ith8pNNryI
Since we now know the Crimea takeover by Russia was planned starting 2004--just when was Russia going to take full control of the Artic?
"Russian special forces have long prepared for warfare in the arctic" http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...-an-arctic-war …
pic.twitter.com/aIjFBGsG31
The Dutch investigator for the MH17 crash investigation was releasing comments over the last few days that seems to indicate that fragments found in the bodies of the crash victims came from a SAM.
Now Russia is starting a drumbeat that "it ain't us".
Russian envoy casts doubts on #MH17 probe
http://bit.ly/1r9JXQQ
Russian forces attacked the #Bahmutku highway 9 times on Saturday "not only militants but also regular Russian troops" - gov. Moskal
Terrorists' tank shelled ATO forces' positions in Pisky village
http://24today.net/open/249277
For those that think for a few moments Putin is serious about settling the Ukraine issue--he is but on his own terms.
#Donetsk 11.35 - 15 fuel trucks entered Donetsk, expect Urals with ammo next.
AND this is an "aid convoy"?
Thought about placing this US article under the info war thread as it is rather interesting---while written in the last few days it does not accurately reflect exactly what is ongoing in the Baltics.
The question as to why it does not accurately reflect is interesting as it has a definitive proRussian slant and I wonder why a US media source would release something that is not quiet accurate unless it is an info war designed article.
Not a single mention that the Baltics are members of NATO and the US has repeatedly stated it stands by Article 5 to begin with, then it does not reflect the simple fact that most Baltic countries economies are nothing like the rest of western Europe or the US so 2% is massive for them--and lastly the Baltics have felt like most of Europe the question of using armed force to change borders was no longer a European "thing".
It also does not reflect that their standing militaries were small to begin with also based on the fact that they had "assumed" territorial integrity was "international law".
Again what was behind the intent of this article.
why should US risk WW3 to defend countries that don't care about defence? Savage, but telling
http://www.newsweek.com/baltic-state...mselves-293493 …”
4 KIA & 7 WIA Russian soldiers from Voronezh yesterday in Donetsk
pic.twitter.com/3z6yRvWNw1
NSDC: 21 provocative attack registered from terrorist side, most active in #Donetsk Airport and #Bakhmutovka road
MAKEEVKA city center.During the last 15 minutes from the Donetsk`s airport is hearing shelling(volleys) of DNR artillery
Rus invaders attacked 9 Ukr towns today:
"In response,Ukrainian soldiers did not shoot,adhering to the conditions of #silent_mode."
More info on the MH17 shoot down is coming out from the Dutch.
Photos show #MH17 damage concentrated to small area near cockpit.
http://bit.ly/13OyEDr
It has also been confirmed that the initial damage to the cockpit reflects a missile detonating slightly below it and focused on the cockpit region and the cockpit due to the structural damage separated from the main aircraft long before the plane broke up in mid air.
Russia is already starting to try to negate these initial reports by questioning the over all investigation, but at least they have not gone back to the "it was the Ukrainian jet" thesis.
VIDEO Russian militia firing artillery in the snow while others try to stay warm in a car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA3sybcMmbg …
pic.twitter.com/H5dNQKGLTo
VIDEO: GRAD attack on Ukrainian positions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoVM4ePHAVU …
pic.twitter.com/49jsR0cfjW
A Ukrainian soldier films (Russian) shelling nearby from his BTR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmqXgVIilu0 …
pic.twitter.com/VV4LH0g8VR
According to the Russians there are RUSSIANS in OSCE team visiting/observing them in Alchevsk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn4hdpJKTVM …
pic.twitter.com/U7H7onvcbK
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The defense of the Donetsk airport is one of the most interesting battles of the currently ongoing "hybrid" Russian warfare---it has held out far longer than Stalingrad did and proves an active defense with fewer men can in fact negate the offensive power of a far stronger opponent.
It has given back to the Ukrainian Army it's self respect, and proven they can take on even the Russian SF and win---it is all about perception and right now the UA is sensing a shift on the ground after they were beaten back in August by the Russian Army.
It has been achieved through a mixture of independent volunteers much like the US militia of 1776 and regular airborne units. There has been some respect comments drifting out of Russian social media on their fighting abilities in the last few weeks.
#ATO: Terrorists fled in panic after a failed attack on defenders of #Donetsk airport #Ukraine.
http://bit.ly/1JEjyRg
pic.twitter.com/yIT9FpqVAH
What is interesting is the amount of different training missions ongoing in the Ukraine from SOCEUR in combat medic training to this--
VIDEO #Georgia Military experts training #Ukraine troops near #Mariupol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0mLovhmcGQ … pic.twitter.com/pzyGfOOjcq
Russia seems to be having more problems in reigning in their own supported and supplied mercenaries.
#Ukraine intercepts #Putin`s "DNR Intel Minister"message to #Russia -3 "DNR"Ministers arrested
http://bit.ly/1rcvpA4
pic.twitter.com/Xrfj1b5YbK
UNIAN: East Ukraine insurgents introduce death penalty for disobeying central command http://uatoday.tv/news/tymchuk-insur...nd-398872.html …
pic.twitter.com/6AQe71lsXC
Due to non-payment of "Fees" 10 terrorists desert near #Mariupol
http://bit.ly/1xm2Tst #Ukraine #Donetsk #Russia
pic.twitter.com/BT41a80dY2
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 12-22-2014 at 12:26 PM.
More information on the BUK system on the MH17 shot down.
Buk M2 TELAR Identifying Numbers Painted Over in Sudzha Videos via @bellingcat
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-a...sudzha-videos/ …
One of the biggest single points of failure within the Russian UW strategy---what if the target population does not want to be "rescued"?
'We want them having proper peace talks!'
East Ukraine: Living on the Edge of a Conflict
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHiZ...CjqBC-&index=8 …
pic.twitter.com/vYccNgScOo
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 12-22-2014 at 01:26 PM.
http://www.sbu.gov.ua/sbu/control/uk...1&cat_id=39574
SBU busted a Russian sabotage party. Their arms look like ultra high-tech
MG-42(1942), TOZ-8 (1932). AKs and SVD rifle also claimed to be captured, but not presented at the photos, for unknown reason.
Poor FSB degraded to grandfathers firearms because of sanctions, no doubt
Last edited by mirhond; 12-22-2014 at 05:58 PM.
Haeresis est maxima opera maleficarum non credere.
come on mirhond---get real and what about the countless "stories" about MH17 still coming out of Moscow? you still never did comment on those Cossacks that stole everything they could find from the dead passengers---great example of religious types right?
really the US placed a bomb on board?
December 19: US placed bomb on MH17
http://m.kp.ru/daily/26322/3200809/ …
December 23: Wait no, Ukrainian air-to-air missile!
http://kirov.kp.ru/daily/26323.5/3204328/ …
But yesterday KP published a story from a crackpot 'expert' who wrote a 109-page report on how the US planted a bomb on MH17 to frame Russia
how many lies does it take to fill 109 pages?
oh I forgot--what about that fake photo shopped story from Russian TV recently--was a bad fake as well and you worry about weapons?
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 12-22-2014 at 06:28 PM.
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