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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    As one Muslim iman asked - what do you replace the radical ideology with?
    Scientology.

    Joking aside, the gap between diagnosis and prescriptions is frustrating. Take for example this brief: "Terrorism and Radicalization: What to do, What not to do," Presentation to U.S. State Dept. / UK House of Lords, Oct / Nov '07, by Scott Atran. I consider he and his research partner Marc Sageman to be some of the better researchers on the topic, great stuff in the brief -- but just not enough in the “what to do” section.

    What about looking into drug rehabilitation processes? I've heard that junkies say heroin is “like kissing God”, similarly in books like Omar Nasiri's Inside The Jihad, you hear of the highs the militants get from the sense of kinship and sense of purpose they have. I imagine the volume is turned down lower in life in both cases when outside of either activities. You could where it becomes addictive....chasing the greater high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bourbon View Post
    Interesting....

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    War Breaks Out Between Hackers and Scientology -- There Can Be Only One


    A loose confederation of online troublemakers who call themselves Anonymous have declared war on the Church of Scientology by flooding its servers with fake data requests, describing the attacks as punishment for the Church's alleged abuse of copyright laws and alleged brainwashing of its members.

    Anonymous congregates on the net at various hangouts such as 711chan.org (NSFW) and partyvan.info and sundry IRC channels. The group usually amuses itself by stealing passwords to downloading sites and finding ways to harass online communities that its members disdain. They were last seen on THREAT LEVEL when a Los Angeles Fox News affiliate ran a story that hilariously implied the group's arsenal included exploding vans.

    The attack on Scientology, which Anonymous has dubbed Project Chanology, started in recent days, set off by the Church's most recent attempt to censor the internet by forcing sites to remove a creepy Tom Cruise Scientology video. A wiki set up for the project directs Anonymous members to download and use denial of service software, make prank calls, host Scientology documents the Church considers proprietary, and fax endless loops of black pages to the Church's fax machines to waste ink.

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    "His eyes flickered for a moment, and I knew I had him. There are guys like this all over the world: They drink, they smoke, they snort coke, they are complete infidels in the eyes of real Muslims. But at the first mention of the words umma or jihad, they suddenly reconnect with Islam. I think this is particularly true in Europe, where young men are so far from everything, from the Muslim land. Jihad is nothing for them, nothing real. But it is also everything."
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    The man said to be one of the important recruiters for Islamist terrorism in the UK has been convicted today. Among those to have passed through where the four failed suicide bombers of July 21 2005

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7256859.stm
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    PSRU, 8 Nov 08: British Islamism and the South Asian Connection
    So the question which analysts and academics are asking themselves is: what has caused some amongst the British Muslim community to turn and embrace this violent form of religiosity? This paper attempts to offer an explanation to this question and in doing so looks at both historical and sociological factors. But before we go any further and take a look at the situation in Britain, it is firstly important to have some understanding of South Asian Islam and Islamism since it is these contemporary expressions of the religion which have been directly transferred from South Asia to Britain......

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    Default Gaza conflict impacts extremism in the UK

    Catching up and have just watched a topical BBC report on this theme, on last night's Newsnight, a "serious" news programme; footage starts just after opening: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ht_12_01_2009/

    Some points I'd qualify, e.g. the use of the term "moderate" Muslims. It is quite clear that the perception that the UK is not doing enough about Israel's actions is having a marked impact on the Muslim community, where anger is growing.

    Seems related to this thread as an update and MSK is cited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    Catching up and have just watched a topical BBC report on this theme, on last night's Newsnight, a "serious" news programme; footage starts just after opening: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ht_12_01_2009/

    Some points I'd qualify, e.g. the use of the term "moderate" Muslims. It is quite clear that the perception that the UK is not doing enough about Israel's actions is having a marked impact on the Muslim community, where anger is growing.
    Can't view this, as I am not in the UK, but I'd walk shy of the so-called "moderate Muslims" in the UK of whom I have met a good few in TV studios. Some advertised as moderate, are clearly not. Some "Moderate Muslims" think the US "had it coming" on Sept 11th.

    Amazing how the killing of greater numbers of Muslim Civilians in Afghanistan, Iraq and Darfur are seen as "less radicalising," than in Gaza.

    The answer is obvious but clearly unacceptable to some.
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