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Old 06-12-2014   #41
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My point about Ghandi was he wasn't responsible for the bits leaving India but MLK used Ghandi's strategy effectively.
Then why did the British leave and that too in a hurry?

Check what was the writ given to Lord Mountbatten?

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One explanation for the chaotic manner in which the two independent nations came into being is the hurried nature of the British withdrawal. This was announced soon after the victory of the Labour Party in the British general election of July 1945, amid the realisation that the British state, devastated by war, could not afford to hold on to its over-extended empire.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british...n1947_01.shtml
Devastated by war, could not afford to hold on to its over-extended empire, why could the British not hold on to India.

What prevented Britain?

Obviously, the unrest and clamour for Independence and which could get ugly.

There was already the mutiny in the Royal Indian Navy.

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The british left India for a lot of reasons, but in my opinion the INA revolt , and the subsequent trials, leading to mass mobilization and military defections indicated the British couldn't hold India. As for our misplaced adventure in Iraq and unrealistic goals in Afghanistan the world should question our judgment and lack of strategic foresight. The events playing out now were pretty much predicted by people who understood the region. In my opinion Bush Jr didn't have half the wisdom of his father and we and the rest of the worldwill be paying a high price for that hubris for a long time. U.S. forforeign policy is too elitist, too coercive, non-compromising, and excessively preachy. Oddly it is very much at odds with the American people in many cases. You shouldn't judge us by our policies alone when you think about American contributions to the world.
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The british left India for a lot of reasons, but in my opinion the INA revolt , and the subsequent trials, leading to mass mobilization and military defections indicated the British couldn't hold India. As for our misplaced adventure in Iraq and unrealistic goals in Afghanistan the world should question our judgment and lack of strategic foresight. The events playing out now were pretty much predicted by people who understood the region. In my opinion Bush Jr didn't have half the wisdom of his father and we and the rest of the worldwill be paying a high price for that hubris for a long time. U.S. forforeign policy is too elitist, too coercive, non-compromising, and excessively preachy. Oddly it is very much at odds with the American people in many cases. You shouldn't judge us by our policies alone when you think about American contributions to the world.
From the US standpoint, I would not say that the US was wrong into going into Afghanistan and Iraq.

Afghanistan was essential to hunt down OBL who killed a whole lot of people who were American or on American soil and the Taliban were not ready to hand him over. Any country which had the military and economic clout as the US would have done what the US did.

Iraq, to my mind, was a direct and natural corollary to the Defense Policy Guideline of Cheney and Wolfowitz (or Wolfowitz Doctrine) and the Economic Policy Guidelines, given the end of the Cold War and new strategic objectives.

Iraq was the centre of the turbulent and unpredictable Middle East and unlike the First Gulf War which was besot with innumerable logistic issues, having a sizeable presence in Iraq would allow quick reaction anywhere in the ME before it became a festering wound.

Further, Iraq had sweet oil (economically a win win) and the second largest oil reserve. Therefore, a control over that would break the monopoly of the OPEC to manipulate prices and supply. It will be recalled that this blackmail of the OPEC was detrimental to the US, nay world, economy.

Therefore, both actions are justified.

However the manner of approach was, in my opinion, unfortunate. One has to cut one's coat as per the cloth. The US overreached. Instead of first addressing Afghanistan, it also took on Iraq, resulting in none being brought to a logical conclusion. And the US and the world suffers even as of today.

And what a waste in terms of lives and finances.

As the British would say, both are a massive cock-up, not having thought through and instead banking on a self induced superiority complex.

Unfortunate and sad.

My apologies for moving OT.

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Of course going into Afghanistan was justified, what I disagree with was our attempt to turn it into a modern nation using our military. It takes time for a culture to evolve. Removing Saddam was justified, but incompetent execution above the tactical level combined with unrealistic ends.
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The final trial of a member of the Aum Shinrikyo cult opened in Tokyo today, nearly 20 years after followers of the apocalyptic group released sarin nerve gas on the city's subway system. When the case concludes, and cult members are no longer required to give testimony against each other, the executions can begin. Eleven followers of Shoko Asahara, who declared himself a reincarnation of Christ and founded the cult in 1984, have been sentenced to death for crimes that include murder, abduction, the production of weapons and creating nerve gas.
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