David, the type of self determination we are talking about among disaffected European Muslims is not that of a nation of people seeking governance determined by themselves rather than some foreign, and therefore illegitimate, power.

What we are talking about is a vital sub-set of that same principle - one I think of as Empowerment.

For me, this is belief that I and a critical segment of the population that I identify with, have available to us trusted, certain and legal means to participate fairly and adequately in the political process of the place we live. This is heavily colored by cultural expectations and perception.

This is why one cornerstone of the US civil rights reforms of the 1960s was the Voting Rights Acts. That was what we needed in the US at that time to begin creating a sense of empowerment, and why there was such a powerful reaction when President Obama was elected.