SMALL WARS COUNCIL
Go Back   Small Wars Council > Conflicts -- Current & Future > Other, By Region > South Asia

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-08-2017   #1
AdamG
Council Member
 
AdamG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Hiding from the Dreaded Burrito Gang
Posts: 2,169
Default Himalayan Sino-Indian Diplomatic Drama

Separate thread while this is hot.

Quote:
NEW DELHI (Reuters) - India's diplomatic efforts to end a seven-week military standoff with China have hit a roadblock, people briefed on the talks said, prompting Chinese state-run media to trumpet rhetoric of "unavoidable countermeasures" on the unmarked border.

China has insisted that India unilaterally withdraw its troops from the remote Doklam plateau claimed by both Beijing and Indian ally Bhutan.

But China did not respond to India's suggestion in the talks that it move its troops back 250 meters (820 ft) in return, said one source with close ties to Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government.

In the low-key diplomatic maneuvers that took place outside the public eye, the Chinese countered with an offer to move back 100 meters (328 ft), so long as they received clearance from top government officials.

But there has been no comeback since, except for China's mounting warnings of an escalation in the region, which it calls Donglang.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKBN1AO1D4
__________________
A scrimmage in a Border Station
A canter down some dark defile
Two thousand pounds of education
Drops to a ten-rupee jezail


http://i.imgur.com/IPT1uLH.jpg
AdamG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2017   #2
AdamG
Council Member
 
AdamG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Hiding from the Dreaded Burrito Gang
Posts: 2,169
Default

Quote:
BEIJING: China's defence ministry has distanced itself from discussion in the state backed media about a "small-scale military operation" to remove Indian troops from the disputed Doklam area+ on the Sikkim border.
"This kind of reports represents the view of the media and think-tanks. For official information please refer to the statements of foreign ministry and defence ministry spokespersons," China's Defence Ministry spokesman Sr. Col. Ren Guoqiang told an Indian media delegation here on Monday.
He was replying to a question from Indian journalists about recent comments from a Chinese think tank expert, Hu Zhiyong, which were published by the state backed Global Times.
"China will not allow the military standoff between China and India in Doklam to last for too long, and there may be a small-scale military operation to expel Indian troops within two weeks," Hu, a research fellow at the Institute of International Relations of the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences, was quoted by the paper recently.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/w...w/59958647.cms


I hear all you kids scrambling to make up that briefing slide.
[

__________________
A scrimmage in a Border Station
A canter down some dark defile
Two thousand pounds of education
Drops to a ten-rupee jezail


http://i.imgur.com/IPT1uLH.jpg

Last edited by AdamG; 08-08-2017 at 04:05 PM.
AdamG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2017   #3
AdamG
Council Member
 
AdamG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Hiding from the Dreaded Burrito Gang
Posts: 2,169
Default

All you need to know about the Doklam dispute

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/i.../1/995385.html
__________________
A scrimmage in a Border Station
A canter down some dark defile
Two thousand pounds of education
Drops to a ten-rupee jezail


http://i.imgur.com/IPT1uLH.jpg
AdamG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2017   #4
davidbfpo
Council Member
 
davidbfpo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 11,171
Default A near 'small war' in the Himalayas

The last "hot war" along the Sino-Indian border was long ago in 1962, when China successfully invaded. For reference:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War

Not exactly an ideal place for combat, there is the climate and the terrain. It takes time to acclimatize before you can cope.

The West, even more so the USA was preoccupied with the Cuban Crisis.

I have relied upon Shashank Joshi's tweets to alert me, in particular a NYT report:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/world/asia/dolam-plateau-china-india-bhutan.html?

On July 21st Shashank wrote this:https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-in...ndia-and-china
__________________
davidbfpo
davidbfpo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-2017   #5
davidbfpo
Council Member
 
davidbfpo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 11,171
Default

The latest comment by Shashank Joshi (RUSI), that ends with:
Quote:
On 2 August, China released a fifteen-page statement reiterating its case and its demand for an Indian withdrawal, but ended on the softer note that ‘China and India are the world’s largest developing countries’.
However, a protracted standoff, stretching into 2018, and involving Chinese pressure on India both on and beyond the border, remains a serious possibility. Given that the India–China relationship was, even before this crisis, at its lowest ebb in many years, this would herald a new phase of heightened mistrust and competition across the Indo–Pacific region. Indeed, even if the dispute is settled a markedly harder edge to relations will persist.
Link:https://rusi.org/commentary/india-an...am-row-plateau

Mindful of history can the world of diplomacy, regardless of who is involved, really cope with two crises that threaten more than a 'small war'? Yes, the Himalayan and Korean.
__________________
davidbfpo

Last edited by davidbfpo; 08-11-2017 at 04:41 PM. Reason: 630v
davidbfpo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2017   #6
davidbfpo
Council Member
 
davidbfpo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 11,171
Default Two nuclear-armed powers have stepped back from the brink — for now

A short BBC report on the diplomatic solution, just whether either side has won is a moot point:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41070767

A more detailed examination of what can be learned from this crisis, thanks to WoTR. It opens with:
Quote:
The immediate crisis seems to be over, but it offers tantalizing insights into Chinese coercive strategies and how they may be thwarted. This has implications not only for India in its own land border disputes, but also for several Southeast Asian nations and the United States, as they all confront China’s attempts to expand its control and influence.
Link:https://warontherocks.com/2017/08/co...ase-of-doklam/
__________________
davidbfpo

Last edited by davidbfpo; 08-29-2017 at 06:45 PM. Reason: 1,726v
davidbfpo is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
China’s View of South Asia and the Indian Ocean George L. Singleton Asia-Pacific 76 01-09-2017 01:05 PM
The British Indian Army omarali50 Historians 11 01-08-2017 05:56 PM
India-US relations: cooling and warming up (merged thread) Jedburgh South Asia 113 11-08-2014 09:27 AM
The role of non-African powers in Africa: a discussion Jedburgh Africa 62 11-28-2011 07:08 PM


All times are GMT. The time now is 04:21 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9. ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Registered Users are solely responsible for their messages.
Operated by, and site design © 2005-2009, Small Wars Foundation