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    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanPride View Post
    From the Independent:

    Anyway, seems like the Germans are the only ones offering a solution that restores functional political relationships and doesn't involve killing more people. Fancy that.
    It's owner has been discussed before. Maybe this means that there is some truth behind it, maybe not. Who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firn View Post
    It's owner has been discussed before. Maybe this means that there is some truth behind it, maybe not. Who knows.
    Sure. German government denies it of course - but that's part of secret negotiations. Exposing them before completion tends to sabotage them since they're dealing with sensitive subjects that otherwise could not be resolved in public. So which side is Lebedev on?

    EDIT: I'm not familiar with any significant problems in The Independent's past reporting or credibility.
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    An interesting article in light that the large number of videos hitting the web indicating large numbers of Russian tanks, SAM10s, APC, GRADS and artillery have been crossings since 29 Jul coupled with Russian soldiers blogging from inside the Ukraine.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-invasion.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    An interesting article in light that the large number of videos hitting the web indicating large numbers of Russian tanks, SAM10s, APC, GRADS and artillery have been crossings since 29 Jul coupled with Russian soldiers blogging from inside the Ukraine.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-invasion.html
    Outlaw, once again for the US and the EU to accept that what is happening in eastern Ukraine is a Russian invasion would require a response. No balls for that in those places.

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    JMA---fully agree--that is why I have said at the beginning of the Crimea event here in SWJ--the US should have called out the Russian INF violation as well as the failure to disarm under OSCE agreements.

    Only now are they calling it out--still though not on the OSCE violations.

    A solid read on the Russian INF issue. The article is interesting when one goes back and reads up on the new Russian nuclear doctrine since about 2012.


    http://nationalinterest.org/feature/...r-11001?page=2

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    @JMA: I think those in question are mostly those with some German background whose ancestors, called by the Tzars, emigrated a long time ago to settle down in Russia. Germans made arguably the biggest contribuition to the Russian economy, culture and military in the last centuries of all other ethnic groups. The 'right to return' was very attractive to escape the economic ruin and political prosecution in their homelands, 3 millions used that possiblity from 1988 onwards.

    Certainly a huge demographic gain for Germany, especially since the intergration was relatively easy. At most three out of so many isn't much.
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    Unraveling US-Russian relations from New York Times:

    Now, both sides are slipping back toward habits reminiscent of the Cold War. The joint atomic projects have declined substantially. Last week, Washington accused Moscow of violating a major arms treaty on missile technology. After the negotiation of the modest New Start treaty in 2010, progress toward another round of nuclear warhead reductions is dead in the water and unlikely to be revived during President Obama’s term in office.
    Even though I've asked JMA and Outlaw repeatedly to what extent does the U.S. pursue the Ukraine issue at the expense of a functional relationship with Russia, I've yet to receive an answer. Ukraine is one part of a larger picture - what do we want that larger picture to look like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firn View Post
    It's owner has been discussed before. Maybe this means that there is some truth behind it, maybe not. Who knows.
    What is there to discuss?

    Germany made a third major strategic blunder in the the last 100 years - the first two being starting two major wars and then losing them - by placing their national energy reliance on the supply of gas from Russia.

    To fix this massive error in judgement the Germans will do anything, sell anyone out, even make a deal with the devil (as it seems they are doing).

    It would be dangerous to trust or rely on Germany in relation to Russia right now.

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