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In Al-Zahrani v U.S., a D.C. Circuit panel held the Federal courts have no jurisdiction to hear "wrongful death claims" arising from detainees' deaths during detention:
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In October of 2006, Congress enacted the Military Commissions Act. Section 7 of the MCA included a two-pronged constraint on the subject-matter jurisdiction of all Federal courts, justices and judges, in cases brought by or on behalf of "an alien detained by the United States who has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination." The exact structure of the statute is as follows: Quote:
Boumediene v. Bush, 553 U.S. 723, 787-92 (2008), held Section 7 unconstitutional. However, that case (an application for a writ of habeas corpus) focused on the Constitution's Suspension Clause (U.S. Const. art. I, § 9, cl. 2) as its sole rationale for holding Section 7 to be unconstitutional. If Congress had elected not to deal with habeas writs, it might have passed a single-pronged statute along these lines: Quote:
However, SCOTUS in Boumediene did not get into the fine points of severance and separability of the clauses in a two-pronged statute. Its conclusion as to what it held was: Quote:
The D.C. Circuit panel disagreed. First, federal courts constitutionally have limited subject-matter jurisdiction, which can be further limited by legislation: Quote:
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The plaintiffs' remedies are to request review en banc by all the D.C. Circuit judges, or review by SCOTUS (both discretionary with those courts). Regards Mike
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JMM When I quit learning, I'll be dead. Crabtree's Bludgeon (updated) - No set of mutually inconsistent observations can exist for which some human intellect cannot conceive a coherent explanation, however complicated and implausible - credits: R.V. Jones & Hayden Peake. |
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hearts and minds - a major "why" for the Haditha courts-martial. The use of legalisms and SJAs is driven by policy, not by those instruments of policy.
The juxtaposition of the D.C. Circuit decisions over the last two years, with the Haditha courts-martial, is to say the least "ironic". That is especially so in light of al-Zahrani and its refusal to hear "wrongful death claims" on behalf of deceased alien enemy combatants, present and future, regardless of their merits. Discussion of the merits and materiality of "hearts and minds" belongs elsewhere. The dominant viewpoint in my little rural haven is pretty much that of Kyle Steiner from Restrepo. Regards Mike
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Mjid Shoukat Khan is a Pakistani national, who lived in the US on 9/11 and subsequently became a member of AQ. His plea shortened his military commission trial. We have (HT to Lawfare):
Statement by Chief Prosecutor Mark Martins The Stipulation of Facts Pre-Trial Agreement Appendix A of the Pre-Trial Agreement From the Statement: Quote:
WH 1022 Fact Sheet Presidential Policy Of course, the waivers are allowed, not required. So, it depends on who the decisions-makers are. Regards Mike
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JMM When I quit learning, I'll be dead. Crabtree's Bludgeon (updated) - No set of mutually inconsistent observations can exist for which some human intellect cannot conceive a coherent explanation, however complicated and implausible - credits: R.V. Jones & Hayden Peake. |
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ready at hand because they are not material to my "Select Any of Three Paths Position" (see diagram & below).
I suspect the datasets (MCA vs civilian) are not comparable anyway; and could be argued to support whatever position the arguer wants to support. There have been a much greater number of Federal court cases. A high percentage of them have resulted in convictions. For example, we had the Detroit bomber recently plead guilty and receive a life sentence. My suggestion is that both paths (MCA and Federal courts) should be open, if what you want to do is prosecute criminally. Which path to select depends on the facts of each case. A third option (acceptable to me) is not to prosecute criminally and simply detain for the duration of the armed conflict. Guidelines should be generalized and should not be straitjackets. The left is very much opposed to MCA trials. The right is very much opposed to Federal court trials. The seven waiver situations have become something of a litmus test as to where a person stands politically. The WH Fact Sheet makes it crystal that President Obama has decided that waivers shall be granted if any of the seven situations occur. That to me is the clear meaning of this language (emphasis added by JMM in all quotes below): Quote:
The WH has spelled out the default COA following arrest by Federal law enforcement agencies, which is civilian law enforcement and clearly not military custody (from the WH Fact Sheet): Quote:
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The WH Fact Sheet ends on an "all options are on the table" note: Quote:
The last quoted sentence is a classic in legal draftsmanship to arrive at a point 180 degrees from where one started.I did find irony in this "Left Hand" of the Obama Administration being issued at the same time as its "Right Hand" announcing its success under the MCA. Regards Mike
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JMM When I quit learning, I'll be dead. Crabtree's Bludgeon (updated) - No set of mutually inconsistent observations can exist for which some human intellect cannot conceive a coherent explanation, however complicated and implausible - credits: R.V. Jones & Hayden Peake. Last edited by jmm99; 03-01-2012 at 04:44 PM. |
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The AP, Gitmo war crimes court surprises some observers (By BEN FOX, March 5, 2012), has been told that about 35 Gitmo prisoners will probably be tried by military commissions. Seven MCA convictions have been obtained by jury verdicts or guilty pleas.
A majority of the remaining 171 prisoners will be not be prosecuted; but, they will be held in military detention until the USG declares the 2001 AUMF's armed conflict ended (e.g., the 1964 Tonkin Gulf AUMF was terminated by Congress), or until individual detainees are released by the Executive. From the AP article: Quote:
Here is the summary: Note that none of these transferred detainees were released by compulsion of a Federal court. The DC Circuit has specifically held that Federal courts do not have jurisdiction to compel the Executive to release a non-citizen Gitmo detainee. Thus, the orders granting habeas to detainees have been "advisory opinions" in effect. Regards Mike
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Mike,
So many interesting things, so little time... ![]() The rule of law assessments by my legal beagle CA brothers & sisters were always very interesting. Wonder if this is applicable, helpful, correct? Guiding Principles for Stabilization and Reconstruction, Section 7 Rule of Law Regards, Steve
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Sapere Aude Last edited by davidbfpo; 03-07-2012 at 10:11 AM. Reason: Copied to Rule of Law in Iraq & Afghanistan |
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I thought this thread, Rule of Law in Iraq & Afghanistan, was a better place for a Civil Affairs discussion of the Rule of Law. So, Surf's up - here.
Regards Mike
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The 9th Circuit has had a Damascus Moment. HT to Lawfare.
Ninth Circuit (En Banc) Vacates Millenium Bomber’s 22-Year Sentence as Too Lenient: Quote:
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SCOTUS (in today's orders) denied certiorari without comments in seven Gitmo habeas cases: Latif, Al-Bihani, Uthman, Almerfedi, Al-Kandari, Al-Madhwani, and Al-Alwi.
In all of these cases, the DC Circuit held against the detainees' claims of illegal detention. Thus, the DC Circuit decisions will stand. SCOTUS also denied review in Lebron v. Rumsfeld (a civil action by Jose Padilla). In that case, the 4th Circuit held against Padilla's claims. Two posts at Lawfare briefly discuss today's orders by SCOTUS (link & link). Regards Mike
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JMM When I quit learning, I'll be dead. Crabtree's Bludgeon (updated) - No set of mutually inconsistent observations can exist for which some human intellect cannot conceive a coherent explanation, however complicated and implausible - credits: R.V. Jones & Hayden Peake. |
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From a friend a commentary on 'Caught between human rights and terrorism' looking at India and Malaysia:http://www.sunday-guardian.com/analy...-and-terrorism
The cited article from a Singapore think-tank is:http://www.rsis.edu.sg/publications/...SIS0882012.pdf
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This thread started 5 years ago with Hamdan. So, for old times sake, a 5-part post on the DC Circuit opinion reversing the lower courts and setting aside the "material support of terrorism" charge upon which Hamdan was convicted.
Opinion for the Court filed by Circuit Judge KAVANAUGH, with whom Chief Judge SENTELLE joins except as to footnote 6, and with whom Senior Judge GINSBURG joins except as to footnotes 3, 6, and 8. Introduction It is most important to understand that this opinion does not question either the direct action "kill" option, or the "capture, detain & interrogate" option. In fact, it endorses indefinite detention for the duration. Quote:
The Court nicely summarized the issues and its conclusions - as to which, all three judges agreed. Quote:
The Rule and Exceptions The Court's rule is clear; but so are its stated exceptions to the rule. Quote:
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The Court dealt with the issue of Mootness (pp.11-13 pdf) - discussion omitted here. The bulk of the decision deals with pre-MCA law and retroactivity of the 2006 MCA (pp.13-27 pdf). Before going there, two caveats should be recognized. Both caveats apply to the relative supremacy of interenational law vice the powers guaranteed by the US Constitution and statutes enacted thereunder.
Caveat One: Independent Article I Congressional War Powers The other two judges decided not to discuss this. Quote:
All three judges agreed that "customary international law" is a sticky, tricky wicket. Quote:
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This brings us to the first of two parts dealing with the main body of the Court's decision - pre-2006 Law under 10 U.S.C. § 821 (pp. 13-14, 19-21 pdf)
General "Law of War" Violations - and Two Specifics: Spying and Aiding the Enemy - 10 U.S.C. § 821 Quote:
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The second part of the decision's main body was devoted to answering the historical question: "Whether material support for terrorism was an international-law war crime when Hamdan committed his acts in 1996-2001?" (pp.22-27 pdf).
The Court looked to a four part historical review. Major Conventions on the Law of War Quote:
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This is my "Op-Ed".
What Effect on Current and Future MCA Prosecutions ? 1. For post-2006 actions alleged to be unlawful, the 2006 MCA (as revised in 2009) will provide the roadmap for specific charges - including "material support of terrorism". 2. For pre-2006 MCA Act actions alleged to be unlawful, the scope of military commission jurisdiction will be limited to war crimes recognized under international law at the time of the actions. 3. Effect on current 9/11 prosecutions of KSM, etc.- ?? What Effect on Future Strategy and Tactics ? 1. The direct action "kill" option will avoid a lot of legal complicatiuons. 2. If the "capture" option, then indefinite detention and interrogation will also avoid many legal complications. 3. In effect, why plan to prosecute these people at all ? Regards Mike
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I am sure this incident, a CIA kidnapping in Milan, Italy that went very wrong, has appeared on SWC before. Reminder:
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