The Trump impact on US policy

[Bill Moore]

Outlaw,

Most of your criticism directed towards Trump is disappointingly true, but what you failed to address is we had two deeply flawed candidates, and if you think white males were the only ones who voted for Trump, you are mistaken. Setting Clinton's corruption and nasty character to the side for a moment, she still represented a system that is failing millions of Americans. There is more to being a President than foreign policy, which frankly Clinton's record in that area isn't exactly flawless.

As for fascism, I have no idea how Trump will walk back from his rhetoric of hatred that appealed to red neck America looking for someone to blame their problems on. However, accusing Trump of leading a fascist movement totally bypasses the fascism being implemented by our left for years in the form of political corectness. Independent thinking and free speech have been suppressed for years in our universities.

Frankly I'm glad America didn't accept the status quo. Unfortunately we only had Trump instead of a person of better character to oppose the left. The Republican Party will have to reform, or we will need a new party to represent centrist views sooner rather than later. We're in a sad place now, but this is no time to quit America, it is time to get engaged.

[OUTLAW 09]

Outlaw,

Most of your criticism directed towards Trump is disappointingly true, but what you failed to address is we had two deeply flawed candidates, and if you think white males were the only ones who voted for Trump, you are mistaken. Setting Clinton's corruption and nasty character to the side for a moment, she still represented a system that is failing millions of Americans. There is more to being a President than foreign policy, which frankly Clinton's record in that area isn't exactly flawless.

As for fascism, I have no idea how Trump will walk back from his rhetoric of hatred that appealed to red neck America looking for someone to blame their problems on. However, accusing Trump of leading a fascist movement totally bypasses the fascism being implemented by our left for years in the form of political corectness. Independent thinking and free speech have been suppressed for years in our universities.

Frankly I'm glad America didn't accept the status quo. Unfortunately we only had Trump instead of a person of better character to oppose the left. The Republican Party will have to reform, or we will need a new party to represent centrist views sooner rather than later. We're in a sad place now, but this is no time to quit America, it is time to get engaged.

TC...but here is the problem...we are now in the 21st century and 54% of the entire voting/registered American electorate are in fact women who earn what percentage less than men these days and who under Trump are poised to lose even more of their basic rights.....that most of the women in Europe take for granted......

Secondly there is no left in the US unless you count Sanders who is a Democratic Socialist....you are right there is a difference in internal and external US policies BUT being the 21st century both are actually intertwined to say the least...you cannot throw tons of money into the market place trying to create jobs without overheating the bond market which is international and with it's lower to no interest rates US has virtually had no cost for the government to borrow even more money.....and thus driving a higher currency value.

What passes for left is in fact liberalism based on US standards and what passes for a liberal in Europe...which might in fact be a moderate conservative in the US....

You cannot expand trade unless the US currency remains stable..and inflation will inherently make the dollar sounder thus exports more expensive thus loss of US jobs if US products get to expensive for the global markets..we already see the dollar climbing against the Euro BUT that only makes the dollar based US exports even more expensive....

EXAMPLE....a standard package of Oreo Red Velvet imported cookies is now 14 Euros...up from 11.50 Euros....as of yesterday a 3.50 change in less than one week

In a world where ethnic minorities are climbing number wise in the US and with a strong American black population the signal sent to the world that a black man could become President and or that a woman could become President is a strong signal that many in the US overlook today...the world would have viewed that as a strong signal concerning the internal civic health of the US...ANd what about the signal to US women and young girls that they can in fact climb the ladder and be just as successful at everything men do??

Regardless of what one thinks ....the US is a superpower...and you cannot simply "retire" and pull back to the borders facing the Atlantic and the Pacific...when it suits internal politics..WE did that twice and got both WW1 and WW2....

I know that the voting groups for Trump were across the board poor, middle income and yes even the wealthy voted for him BUt hear is my beef....

IF you are mad at the system....change the local first as the local has always been the closest to you then change the state level and then finally DC...

BUT does anyone seriously think you can change American top down??? I do not.

BUT my compliant is that if you voted for Trump I truly believe those that did vote were listening to the "narrative he was speaking' and that narrative was taken seriously and not taken as "just some casual rhetoric"....AND if you voted for someone that had heavy baggage as Trump does with 75 pending court cases and his lawyers today trying to get his fraud and racketeering cast delayed until after he is in office....simply because then he does not have to testify and end of fraud case....THEN you have a serious thought problem...

One cannot complain down the road when in the name of the voter Trump really goes off the rails and hits us in an authoritarian way and then his voters sit back and say..this is not what I voted for....

Reference Clinton....I am so tried of the Clinton bashing as I have been voting in every Presidential election since 1964 and after just how many investigations and no charges...how much longer does one need to see that there was never anything there...a total ton of smoke but never a single fire...

There is an old language learning tactic that says repeat the foreign word seven times and it will lock it into the brain...AND propaganda is no different...repeat the propaganda narrative seven times and it will stick in the upper brain area and hear it seven times more and you fully believe it to be true...even in the face of real evidence that it is fake...

Russian propaganda works on the 6Ds principle...distort...demiss/deflect...dismay..distract. all designed to create doubt and distrust...

NOW go back to the countless Trump statements made at his rallies and the very few interviews/debates and tell me just how many Ds were at work????

Trump dislikes no actually hates the media..that is way he held no press conference for over 110 days as he is bad at it.....and why he had no press on his plane....

WHAT he has truly failed to realize that makes the media even more aggressive and they were not in this election cycle...and now they will dig using FOIA....

So we have a future President that has over 75 court cased filed against him...we can prove countless lies stated by him....we know his heartfelt opinion of women and minorities especially Muslims...we know from his various business court cases and his multiple number of bankruptcies that he is not the super businessman he claims to be and we know he had deep ties to Russian officials which both he and his campaign denied publicly twice in six months YET Russian officials fully admitted yesterday they were in fact ongoing and constant...AND we do not know just how he is servicing a 650M debt

YET those that voted for him now argue "hey Clinton was worse"....come on TC ...think....seriously think it through....

On top of that we still have four states that are not truly counted and declared for either party...there are growing questions in Wisconsin and a serious charge of election result changes via Russian malware as well as confirmed Russian hacking before the election and during the election...AND the general vote of Clinton is climbing pass 60M and rising....while Trump's remains caught and stable at around the low 59M or so

AND Trump voters have no qualms about that?????

[slapout9]

Go to www.greatagain.gov

[slapout9]

Slapout...you started this thread and yet fail to respond to the accusations that Trump has far more legal and financial baggage that that "crook Clinton"....

Yes, I started it. I intended to have a discussion about Trump's policy's relative to the future of the country. Then you went into some type incomprehensible rant about what you think you know about me and the Civil Rights movement. And then went off with your democratic talking points that ended with you saying you have become a German citizen???

Anyone who would do that after an election and with the supposed Special Forces back round you have has some issues. Take a break and get some help.

All the best.
Slap

[Bill Moore]

Yes, I started it. I intended to have a discussion about Trump's policy's relative to the future of the country. Then you went into some type incomprehensible rant about what you think you know about me and the Civil Rights movement. And then went off with your democratic talking points that ended with you saying you have become a German citizen???

Anyone who would do that after an election and with the supposed Special Forces back round you have has some issues. Take a break and get some help.

All the best.
Slap

I agree with you on this one, another thread taken over by a hundred meaningless twitter posts, and no space allowed for debate. While he challenged you to respond to his excessive number of posts, he hasn't responded to the criticism of Clinton. This thread is almost effectively dead.

[TheCurmudgeon]

I agree with you on this one, another thread taken over by a hundred meaningless twitter posts, and no space allowed for debate. While he challenged you to respond to his excessive number of posts, he hasn't responded to the criticism of Clinton. This thread is almost effectively dead.

This thread isn't about Clinton. That subject was closed by the election. The subject is President Elect Trump. So let's here what you, or anyone else, has to say.

[TheCurmudgeon]

Here is a place to start:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...492_story.html

He is just like every other politician. Now that he is in office, the truth will start to come out. The reality is that he can't do most of what he claimed without assuming powers that the President doesn't have. So now the truth comes out.

[OUTLAW 09]

I agree with you on this one, another thread taken over by a hundred meaningless twitter posts, and no space allowed for debate. While he challenged you to respond to his excessive number of posts, he hasn't responded to the criticism of Clinton. This thread is almost effectively dead.

Love it when people fail to remember the endless and countless so called investigations that were to reveal just how corrupt the Clintons were and are suppose to be.....DO I seriously need to repeat all of them in a very long list to readers such as Bill and Slapout...since the 90s...WHAT is that 20 or so odd years an still counting....AND over what 14 different investigations.....

AND remember their close personal friend who was an advisor who committed suicide....do I need to respinn what was spun by the Republicans for three long years when the DC Police had long before declared it a suicide due to personal reasons....AND lo an behold it came up again via Trump and company.....

Some complain that Bill got a massive speakers fee in the 100s of thousands of dollars...BUT WAIT it went into the Foundation and was IRS declared and taxed as earned income....BUT WHEN all politicians and ex Presidents hit the speakers and lobbyist circuit earning also hundreds of thousands of dollars WE declare BUT hey they earned it....BUT WAIT do we question currently the outside earnings of our own House Reps and Senators..THAT occur every single day of the year........NO...

BUT at the end of the day AFTER all those countless and endless investigations driven primarily by Republicans WHERE any charges ever filed against either of them......

Oh...and that Whitewater land deal mess the Republicans screamed about for years.....never a single charge and in the end it actually had been handled correctly.....confirmed if one took the time to read the IRS findings to be completely and truly "legal"....

Oh......and that so called pay for play accusations against Clinton for the Clinton Foundation donations in exchange for favors by the then DoS Clinton....AND pounded by Trump in each of his rallies as "that corruption swamp of the Clintons...hang her...arrest her...throw her in jail".....

WILL highly recommend you both go back to the WikiLeaks email dumps which actually when one excludes the fake Russian placed emails CLEARLY states she definitely separated office and play......BUT hey you both overlooked that tad bit of information in all the WikiLeaks chatter.

BTW...this is the same WikiLeaks that we now know was feed those hacked emails by the Russian state sponsored hacking groups...AND we know that the Russian propaganda media released a statement that Wikileaks released BUT TWO DAYS before Wikileaks released the same exact press release...strange is it not that the Russian government could read the computer of WikiLeaks and knew in advance what was to be released word for word....

Nothing like actually ignoring WikiLeaks inadvertently supporting Clinton with in those emails....

HER use of a private email server...WELL three other DoS's in the last 30 years DID the same exact thing.....BUT that never seemed to get through the chatter...

AND THOSE TWO MILLION emails deleted from all of the Bush computers WHERE NOT A VIOLATION of federal law...AND not pursued by the incoming Obama........AND those 4000 Trump company emails deleted THAT the federal court told Trump to not delete as they were evidence in a fraud case...one should never thrown stones at a glass house as they can come back at you....NOTICE Trump was not called "a scheming crook trying to hide damming evidence from a federal court" was he?
Come on guys we complained about Bill's sexual adventures in the WH BUT YET WHEN we have the next President claiming he grabs women by their "pu...ies" WE declare that what "locker room talk" ....but consenting sexual encounters between two adults we seem to have problems with these days VS sexual assaults as defined by law by the now new President....

WHEN 12 and still counting women over a period of 20 years come forward and state he treated them exactly as his videos indicates...we call them lairs and Trump wants to sue them.....WHEN he comes into the WH with 72 pending state and federal court cases we call him a great businessman....WHEN he has had a total of SIX bankruptcies and has to service monthly a debt load of 650M USDs we call him a REALLY GREAT businessman.....

WHEN a sitting Republican Representative cheers the fact he got the security funding for the Benghzi Consulate cut months before the attack as a sign of Republican success against the then DoS Clinton and then later American personnel get killed...."IT was the fault of that corrupt Clinton".....AND WE ignore the Reps comments and actions that contributed directly to their deaths....AND we ignore DoD held back a DELTA team that was waiting on the tarmac because DoD could not get their act in order to respond to the WH.......

WHEN you critique me be ready to respond to facts line by line....

SO when we accept in the realm of public debate statements by the now new President ..."she is a crook...needs to be in jail...I will jail her when I take over...she sold out the DoS for money....."

We are suppose to what accept that as the new standard of political discourse....????

I chose a new nationality simply because I feel that both Trump and the current Republican Party no longer represent the values that I felt for years the US represented and with my wounds and spilled blood for this country in 18 long months of pure combat and in serving in two other wars I have long ago earned the right to be critical...far more critical than say a Slapout that accepts what he apparently "hears" to be the gospel and truth...

BTW Slapout I was not a supporter of the VN far from it but when my country asked me...well maybe ordered me to VN.....I went and did my best and lost a lot of close friends along the way.....which you have never experienced.

So I have the inherent right to critisize when I think the US is headed the wrong way....

Slapout and Bill...the floor is open for debate....now prove me wrong...

Listening......

BTW....here is the inherent kicker now...IF you really look at the email issue with Clinton....WHEN you are in public service even as a First Lady you are inherently open to FOIA requests...and both Clintons have been literally hounded by FOIAs for 20 years....BUT a private personal server does not fall under FOIA....

NOW that Trump is a government paid employee HE is fully liable now to fulfill ALL FOIAs coming into his office....there are hundreds now lining up to file FOIAs on every single aspect of his business and personal life....he will shortly learn what the Clintons have felt like living under FOIA.

QUESTION is...is that private server sitting in his Trump Tower used for months for direct conversation with someone in the Russian Alpha Bank located in the heart of Moscow going to be declared "private"...BTW the server was scrubbed clean and reconfigured after it become known that it was chatting with Russia....

AND this does not worry the both of you...it does me?

BTW...one could argue that Clinton have gotten the same punishment as did General Petraeus who also got caught with classified materials....BIG difference though...Petraeus "parked classified" information in a email draft and parked it in his email draft box for his girlfriend a journalist to log into his account and then read the draft email....that is a deliberate and clear violation of security regs....and the method used to transfer that info was a deliberate attempt to hide that he knew what he was doing....end of story...

[OUTLAW 09]

American true democracy hard at work in the strangest of places...sparked by the election of Trump.......

Today over 3000 US citizens....ex pats....US students studying for 300 Euros a semester on four major Berlin Universities to include THREE I met that were studying medicine and three studying international law also at that 300 Euros per semester...so basically free.AND all with 100% healthcare costing 30 Euros a month a student rate.....HS students from the JFK International School.......kids whose parents were working inside the Embassy.......a lot of US business people.... men and women who work in US based international trading and service companies here in Berlin....and a lot of military retirees.....

WHO all voted BTW.....

ALL demonstrating in front of the US Embassy next to the world famous Brandenburger Tor

AGAINST Trump and his views on Europe and the role women play in the US society and the protection of minorities something Germans as a whole feel strongly about since over 20M Germans were refugees at the end of the war and or ethnically cleansed from Poland and the Czech Republic....and yes US citizens also know German history when it comes to refugees....

SO when Trump critiqued Merkel and Germany he hit a super raw nerve with Germans....which did not go down well....even with the common German on the streets

[Dishonesty]

How many Trump voters have seen in their lifetimes the Hitler execution chambers here in Berlin...the mass execution/concentration sites for Jews here in Germany and the Czech Republic and how many have seen the Saddam execution chambers...

I have and I hate them.....I have close Jewish (Israeli/Russian) friends here in Berlin that are telling me they see the second coming...of a new democratically elected by US citizens of a second Hitler....

Only one problem with 2nd Hitler/Trump
Ivanka Trump was raised Presbyterian BUT CONVERTED TO JUDAISM IN 2009 to marry husband Jared Kushner.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/us-election...ual-first-lady

[OUTLAW 09]

Ah......the bromance between the Russian SVR compromised Trump and Putin steadily grows....

NOW we see his FP taking shape rather quickly when it comes to Russia..his support for a genocidal dictator and Iran in Syria .....

Trump to call Putin after his ‘beautiful letter'

SO Trump is in love with the idea that he is supporting his bromance pal Putin and the second bromance dictator Assad.....SO is now Trump stating for the record a US sitting President supports the use of CWs against unarmed civilians???????

Kremlin "regrets" & is "disturbed" by official recognition by the OPCW#Assad under #Putin control used chemical WMD in #Syria http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sy...idUSKBN1361BE#
…

[OUTLAW 09]

Ah......the bromance between the Russian SVR compromised Trump and Putin steadily grows....

NOW we see his FP taking shape rather quickly when it comes to Russia..his support for a genocidal dictator and Iran in Syria .....

Trump to call Putin after his ‘beautiful letter'

AND from the UK Brexit group of supporters...........

"We do not see the need for an additional meeting" - Boris to skip EU FM's dinner discussing Trump win.

Blunderbus move that will rouse high suspicions and shows no understanding of where Paris/Berlin see the election.

[Bill Moore]

Assuming half of these are legitimate versus anti Trump propaganda it is a disturbing trend that Trump better speak out against. There is no doubt Trump also attracted a bunch of low lifes with his inexcusable rhetoric in addition to people who just want change. This is worth watching, but I bet many of these incidents were generated by his opposition to create the perception this is a white supremacist movement. If it actually turns into one then I will turn against it. I'm currently in a state of denial.

[OUTLAW 09]

Assuming half of these are legitimate versus anti Trump propaganda it is a disturbing trend that Trump better speak out against. There is no doubt Trump also attracted a bunch of low lifes with his inexcusable rhetoric in addition to people who just want change. This is worth watching, but I bet many of these incidents were generated by his opposition to create the perception this is a white supremacist movement. If it actually turns into one then I will turn against it. I'm currently in a state of denial.

Bill..this trend of white supremacist activity has been flying largely under the radar and building over the last years ..the FBI had basically backed away from it "fighting jihadists" was the excuse and "besides they are law abiding US citizens and not hurting anyone"....BUT we have currently 270 armed white militias inside the US....

BTW...REMEMBER we truly never got to the bottom of the Oklahoma City bombing did we....or did two guys simply mix by hand a 5000lb chemical fertilizer IED style bomb ....surely you must still have questions about that attack??????

BUT if you seriously look at the Trump rhetoric the last three months of the campaign with his "Breitbart guru Benon"...the rhetoric took a massive turn to the "alt Right" KKK direction....when he arrived and took over...AND it took a strong anti Semitic turn as well...or did we all "forget the Trump "dustup" when the Jewish Star of David was used in an anti Semitic ad and Trump claimed to have thought it was a "sheriffs badge"..come on ...and his son retweeted five white supremacist and when called out had no idea they were anti Semitic.....

I know this commenter and he has never posted "fakes"...these are real and accurate...BUT here is what we did not notice after Brexit in UK...the exact same hatred broke into the open and hate crimes are climbing as well in UK...

REMEMBER Brexit was also fought using the battle slogans of immigration and globalization...exactly as it was used with Trump....

AND who just walked into the Trump Tower today for a visit...the former leader of UKIP the ulta nationalist group in UK that drove Brexit.....

I confirmed the hate SMS that went out to Black students at Penn..it was real and whoever sent it had the accurate names/cell numbers of all Black students....which means someone accessed their main database....

% of Americans “proud” about election outcome, per Gallup
2008: 67%
2012: 48%
2016: 32%

[Bill Moore]

Ok Outlaw, let us now bring some balance into the discussion. The democrats have been caught red handed promoted violent protests in an attempt to get their way. The current violent protests are not condemned by Democratic party leaders, instead they are quietly promoted. Shameful, and much closer to anything Trump has done so far. Many of the dems reject the Constitutional process for change in government, and our President quietly supports this. There have many attacks on Trump supporters since the election, and just as many kill whites comments as the racist attacks you posted. Action equals reaction, and sadly, very sadly our national leaders are promoting this. They're practicing a form of UW against their own country men, because even with MSM on their side they still lost, and they can't accept the result of the election.

Your posts are bias to the extreme. You simply post Twitter comments that reinforce your view, but fail to respond to legitimate challenges with reason. We have a lot in common, and while I found both candidates to be deplorable, yet you only address the perceived faults of one.

[OUTLAW 09]

Ok Outlaw, let us now bring some balance into the discussion. The democrats have been caught red handed promoted violent protests in an attempt to get their way. The current violent protests are not condemned by Democratic party leaders, instead they are quietly promoted. Shameful, and much closer to anything Trump has done so far. Many of the dems reject the Constitutional process for change in government, and our President quietly supports this. There have many attacks on Trump supporters since the election, and just as many kill whites comments as the racist attacks you posted. Action equals reaction, and sadly, very sadly our national leaders are promoting this. They're practicing a form of UW against their own country men, because even with MSM on their side they still lost, and they can't accept the result of the election.

Your posts are bias to the extreme. You simply post Twitter comments that reinforce your view, but fail to respond to legitimate challenges with reason. We have a lot in common, and while I found both candidates to be deplorable, yet you only address the perceived faults of one.

I answered the Clinton accusations I feel quite openly and directly previously...secondly the current demonstrations are if one really thinks it through a direct result and responsibility of a single man and his surrogates who pounded away at the racist and anti Semitic messaging for 18 long months....

BUT a side comment Clinton did not win Trump did so he is the center of attention here in this thread that was started...

Thirdly....demonstrating is a US god given right under the rubric of free speech just as are the racists comments by Trump and company....comes with the territory these days...remember Trump would incite during his rallies aggression against the journalists that were covering his rallies and who were just doing their jobs to pay the bills.....who were spit on and sometimes roughed up and or needed security to protect them in order to just the exit rally....BUT did the MSM or general public say anything but burn trash cans and smash a few car windows and the whole world falls apart....one sided do you not think????

For 111 days Trump never held a single press conference..he never allowed press on his plane...he has stated the press lies, are corrupt and he never reads MSM and the WaPo and NYTs should be sued over what they wrote about him as it was all false.......BUT he trusts the heck out of social media and twitter...make sense to you?

Would you though then admit that publicly ridiculing and browbeating journalists verbally into a state of fear is just as bad as those
demonstrating and using violence...I would ????

Remember if you really take the time to look at who is involved you will see a lot of women....WHY is the question...because you had a sexual predator tell them to their faces during public debate he is going to take away the rights women have fought for over the last 30 years starting with Wade v Roe and continuing onto birth control etc......AND he stated in his 2005 video the right to sexually assault women....remember we as men do not walk in their shoes everyday at work...at the gym or when they are out walking alone are we???

If you noticed a number of the racist harassment postings were from women....I could have easily posted another 50 or so ....from all over the country...

BUT WAIT..."that was all just locker room talk".....THAT is not what women in the US experience daily in their lives....

What if you are Latina...you have been declared rapists and murderers....and you are going to be deported.....if you are Muslim you have been declared to be terrorists..if you are black you are a drug dealer....and you do not like to work..AND yet you wonder why they burn trash cans?

Remember this new President insulted a Muslim family whose Muslim son an Army CAPT was killed defending the rights of Trump....and continued to insult them for days via Twitter and yet his wife speaks against cyber bullying...via twitter...make sense to you?

So yes while I do not condone the violence...I can though fully understand why it is occurring...BUT as of yet I see not a solid piece of evidence tying the "Democratic Party" to it....

BTW...it is tradition in Paris and Berlin to burn cars during Christmas and New Year...over 200 cars in both locations both go up in smoke so hey the US has it far easier...believe me and yet the earth still spins around the sun and we all survive.

You are right I am bias because opposite of what Trump did when he received four draft notices that he got out of by using a doctors note stating he had a bone spur...and in a recent interview he could not remember which foot.....I served....

BTW there was a man in my Ft. Polk basic training unit who had been drafted who was a lumberjack from Alabama who had an axe accident prior to being drafted ...the axe had hit his foot leaving a deep scar..which when we did long road marches he would limp all the way and the foot would be bloody when he took off his boot....he tried to get a deferment for the injury multiple times even with doctors surgery notes...but after training he was assigned to the infantry and was killed in VN...leaving a wile and two children behind and his wife received only 10K as the death benefit...and Trump continued to party hard .....fighting off women as he stated....

He served with a bloody foot and limped the whole time he was in training and was killed in VN...WHILE our new President was "deferred FOUR times" for a bone spur he cannot remember which foot it was in ..AND when he was asked about it......he stated..."his war was fighting off the women"......YOU are darn right I am biased....I have earned the right to be biased when I think someone and something is destroying the fabric of US democracy....

YET a sexual predator...a businessman with SIX bankruptcies WHO failed to show us his tax returns BECAUSE we would not understand them whose last wife worked illegally in the US and who we do not know what his ties are to Russia.....AND who will place his businesses into a blind trust run by his sons and daughter WHO definitely will not talk to him about his own businesses TWO full days after telling us publicly he would follow what previous Presidents had done.......will led us into what?????

So those that are currently demonstrating are suppose to "trust" this President who was elected with only 26% of the total voting electorate AFTER what he has said for 18 long months...come on even you can see the dots.....I did and have seen them for 18 long months.....

REMEMBER what I posted at another SWC thread awhile ago..."people love populists until they are elected and in power"....AND presto 2-3 full days into this new administration Trump as flip flopped so badly on virtually all of his major themes no one that supported him really knows what they signed up for...but sign up they did....BUT we do now know one thing..he is definitely in bed with Russia...

ALL we have heard for the last week or so is his surrogates running from interview to interview trying to "interpret for us" WHAT they think Trump really meant when he made public statements at his own rallies....bad really bad....

[Bill Moore]

Outlaw,

You challenged Slap to respond to your critique of Trump, which is fair enough, but I challenge you to defend America's critique of Clinton. Trump and Clinton are both deeply flawed. People voted for Trump for three reasons, first many people wanted change. Second, others held their nose and voted against Clinton, and finally on a much smaller scale those you are raving against for being haters and simpletons. Either candidate swearing in as our President will be a sad day for country in my opinion when we have so many exceptional people in our country that the parties and mainstream media sidelined.

I take issue with your comments on black and women because they are divisive. You are implying, much like MSM did, that you can't vote Republican if you respect equality. While the Republican party does need to wake up the demographic trends you pointed out, the division between the parties should be how they will govern America, while race and gender equality should be assumed. Both parties sadly exploit these fissures, which further promotes divides within America that should not exist. There are many women and minorities who voted Republican because they believe in their economic policies, and they also believe in equality. The opposite is also true, there are many white males who voted Democrat because they believe in their economic policies. We'll become our ideal selves as a nation when gender and race are longer the topics of debate, because they shouldn't be the issue to begin with if we live by our alleged values.

As to your points about our economy being interwoven with the global economy. You're right, but that doesn't mean people won't vote for their interests locally. Hard to explain to the people in Detroit and other cities that you lost your jobs and ability to support your families due to globalization and there is nothing we can do about it. Further complicating the issue is the fact that we are at a significant inflection point with our economic system. Not only the impacts of modern globalization (especially the impact on financial systems), but the increasing impact of technology automating what was formally done by human workers. For the first time in history we are at point where the new technology revolution will result in less versus more jobs. Technology revolutions always led to social disruptions as people societies adapted to the economic order, this one may prove to be especially challenging. We need leaders with a vision that will guide America into this new economic order as smoothly as possible. I'm not convinced we have them yet. It is past time to sop over the election results. Now is the time to pull together and solve our problems. No quitting!