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Old 06-10-2017   #441
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Default Russia says tells U.S. not to strike Syrian pro-government forces again

From Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mi...KBN1910Y9?il=0

Russia said on Saturday it had told the United States it was unacceptable for Washington to strike pro-government forces in Syria after the U.S. military carried out an air strike on pro-Assad militia last month.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov relayed the message to U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson in a phone call on Saturday initiated by the U.S. side, the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

U.S. officials told Reuters last month that the U.S. military carried out the air strike against militia supported by the government of President Bashar al-Assad which it said posed a threat to U.S. forces and U.S.-backed Syrian fighters in the country's south.

Russia said at the time that the U.S. action would hamper efforts to find a political solution to the conflict and had violated the sovereignty of Syria, one of Russia's closest Middle East allies.

"Lavrov expressed his categorical disagreement with the U.S. strikes on pro-government forces and called on him to take concrete measures to prevent similar incidents in future," the ministry said.

The two men had also exchanged assessments of the situation in Syria, it added, and confirmed their desire to step up co-operation to try to end the conflict there.

The ministry said Lavrov and Tillerson had also discussed the need to try to mend the rift between Qatar and other Arab nations through negotiations, and had talked about the state of U.S.-Russia relations and planned meetings between officials from the two countries.
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Default Russia a Fair-Weather Friend for Syria’s Kurds

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In the kaleidoscopic, ever-shifting array of factions that characterize the Syrian civil war, allegiances can shift in surprising ways. Nowhere is this more evident than in the relationship between Russia and the Kurds.

In theory, the two sides should be diametrically opposed. Moscow is heavily invested in supporting the regime of President Bashar al-Assad. Assad’s forces oppose the self-proclaimed Kurdish territory of Rojava, located in the northern governorates of al-Hasakh, Aleppo and Raqqa (now renamed by the Kurds as the cantons of Afrin, Jazira and Kobani).

However, with the eventual military defeat of IS in Syria, or in the event of a de-escalation with NATO, Moscow’s own priorities will shift and Rojava will likely find itself in the scope of the Russian military machine. Should IS’ de facto capital of Raqqa fall to government forces, for instance, Russia is highly likely to withdraw its backing for Rojava, just as the Kurdish territory becomes a greater priority for Syrian forces.

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Syrian opposition rep in Moscow drops the hammer on live-TV calling Russian advances in Syria as their propaganda.
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Sweida : Residents took 11 Regime security members hostage and are burning tires in front of police HQ demanding an activist be released.
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An acerbic commentary by Aaron Stein on the situation on Syria's southern border @ Tanf. The second paragraph:
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Yet, despite efforts to portray these strikes as one-off reactions to Syrian backed provocations, the attacks risk expanding the goals of the military campaign, currently aimed solely at defeating the Islamic State. America’s use of military force appears to be unfolding independent of any broader strategic or political guidance. It is not clear how these actions align with broader foreign policy goals. This lack of clarity allows tactical decisions (i.e., the need to protect U.S. forces) to dictate strategy. In this case, the purported link between the militias struck and Iran, the most important backer of Syria’s Bashar al Assad, risks a broader escalation — perhaps one that some hawkish voices in the Trump administration would welcome.
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Strategy should drive tactics when it comes to handling Iranian-backed elements in Syria, not the other way around. Otherwise, the United States risks upending other elements of the war effort in Syria for ill-defined reasons. This may include expanding the role of an already over stretched Special Operations Command and more wear and tear on other elements of the U.S. military — all for ill-defined and unachievable goals. The United States has the capability to defend a garrison in the Syrian desert. However, the reasons for doing so are devoid of any purpose, making a simple cost benefit analysis all but impossible.
Link:https://warontherocks.com/2017/06/th...tegy-in-syria/

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A (suspected) #Jordan|ian SOF @leonardo_live "Falco" drone was photographed during #AssadPutin air strikes on #Daraa city.
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An acerbic commentary by Aaron Stein on the situation on Syria's southern border @ Tanf. The second paragraph:

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Link:https://warontherocks.com/2017/06/th...tegy-in-syria/

Where is Tanf?


From:https://southfront.org/syrian-army-i...orces-reports/
S. Syria: as Iranian-backed forces advancing in SE desert, US deployed long range artillery (~300 km) HIMARS in Al-Tanf.
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US-backed air strikes on IS "capital" Raqqa in Syria cause "staggering loss of civilian life" - UN investigators
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An acerbic commentary by Aaron Stein on the situation on Syria's southern border @ Tanf. The second paragraph:

The conclusion:
Link:https://warontherocks.com/2017/06/th...tegy-in-syria/

Where is Tanf?


From:https://southfront.org/syrian-army-i...orces-reports/
TANF is Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, colloquially known as food stamps, and a U.S. welfare program.

Al-Tanf is a border crossing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Waleed_border_crossing

I usually agree with Stein, but not on this one. The focus on Daesh is myopic now as the Sunni Arabs will resist occupation and mass murder by Shias, and the PYD/YPG will soon turn its attention to Erdogan. Moreover, despite the lionization of the Kurds, Ankara, Baghdad, Damascus and Teheran all agree that Kurdish sovereignty is not in the best interests of their territorial integrity.
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US-backed air strikes on IS "capital" Raqqa in Syria cause "staggering loss of civilian life" - UN investigators
http://bbc.in/2snA1Iz
Yawn. The civilians of Raqqa are being treated with much more consideration than those of Dresden, Tokyo, Hanoi or even Normandy...
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Russia|n-trained "ISIS Hunters" cmdr: after ISIS, time to kick out US from Syria and go to #Raqqa. Full vid:
https://www.facebook.com/ISISHunters...588552176651/#
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Yawn. The civilians of Raqqa are being treated with much more consideration than those of Dresden, Tokyo, Hanoi or even Normandy...
AND for every killed by US and CENTCOM non member of IS in Raqqa you will have a new IS member as that their way to fight back against the US for killing their family members....

IF you check one of the statements made by the Manchester bomber...he did it for the killing by US of Syrians...

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Qassem Soleimani allegedly spotted in Syria near the Iraqi border | FDD's Long War Journal
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Photos show US joint patrols with rebels in southern Syria:http://www.longwarjournal.org/archiv...hern-syria.php

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AND for every killed by US and CENTCOM non member of IS in Raqqa you will have a new IS member as that their way to fight back against the US for killing their family members....

IF you check one of the statements made by the Manchester bomber...he did it for the killing by US of Syrians...
Muslim supremacists always have excuses for why they want to kill or forcibly convert others. All supremacists claim that they are victims and acting defensively.

Perhaps the angry Muslims in the West can return to their prosperous, free and secure homelands and take out their frustrations on those that oppress their co-religionists i.e. other Muslims. Now that is a radical idea...
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Muslim supremacists always have excuses for why they want to kill or forcibly convert others. All supremacists claim that they are victims and acting defensively.

Perhaps the angry Muslims in the West can return to their prosperous, free and secure homelands and take out their frustrations on those that oppress their co-religionists i.e. other Muslims. Now that is a radical idea...
AGAIN you truly miss the point.....I saw this up close and personal WHICH you have not...in Iraq a large number of normally apolitical Sunnis joined either the Islamic Army of Iraq IAI or AQI simply out of nationalistic reasons...the US invaded my country OR out of hatred for US killing family members...OR the US kicked me out of the Iraqi Army thus I did not get my military pension that I was working towards OR they destroyed by bombing the factory where I worked and now I have no job......

That has nothing to do with your incorrect use of a newly minted right wing term "Muslim supremacists".....

Notice you rarely use the term "white nationalists and or white supremacists" when referring to say a Bannon, Miller who sit in the WH and or Trump with many of his blatantly racist comments towards say Mexicans and or Muslims....AND more recently Federal judges...

Your comments sometimes swing in a wide arch of the political spectrum do they not????

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US-led airstrikes in Syria killed 300 civilians, including 200 inside a school, & displaced 160,000, UN panel says.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/14/w...smid=tw-share#

So Azor...you are a combat aged Syrian husband who has not up to now fought for any side and attempted to remain neutral and protect his family...basically trying to survive......you come home and see your house destroyed and your family killed by US bombs...and your response it what...????

You will in the situation equate Assad, Putin and Trump as one and the same and you will listen intently to what IS or the FSA says....
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HOW is that new Trump FP for Syria and Qatar working out these days??

SecDef Mattis says "pro regime" forces that have moved into S. Syria near #AnTanf base are actually #Russian ...

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...for every killed by US and CENTCOM non member of IS in Raqqa you will have a new IS member as that their way to fight back against the US for killing their family members...IF you check one of the statements made by the Manchester bomber...he did it for the killing by US of Syrians...
In response, I will guide you to today’s quote on the front page of SWJ from Alaa al-Ameri:

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Abedi was not disenfranchised. He was not rejected by British society. He was taught to reject and hate it, despite everything it gave him and his family. His older sister has reportedly said that Abedi was looking for ‘revenge’ for the ‘ill-treatment’ of Muslims in the UK and Syria. This is the circular logic of the Islamist victimhood narrative that almost every Muslim growing up in the UK will have been exposed to at one time or another. Western governments, and therefore Western societies, are to blame for all instances of intervention in Muslim majority countries, and are equally culpable should they fail to intervene.
This was excerpted from al-Ameri’s article at Spiked: http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite...6#.WULJB9crKUk

Your discussion of the folly of de-Ba’athification is wholly irrelevant here. The Sunni Arab Iraqis who turned on U.S. forces – following their dismissal from the military, police and civil service, their political marginalization by way of an imposed democratic structure (facing a possibly tyranny of the Shia majority), and their consequent loss of the spoils of oil and gas in Kurdish and Shia hands – did so in Iraq.

The term “Muslim supremacism” is one that I began using because we do not refer to “White terrorism” or “White-ism”.

The worst Muslim supremacist terrorist attack on U.S. soil was prior to the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen and Libya. Even if the U.S. withdrew from the Middle East, its support for Israel would be enough for Muslim supremacists to regard Americans as aggressors.
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Earlier you claimed:



In response, I will guide you to today’s quote on the front page of SWJ from Alaa al-Ameri:



This was excerpted from al-Ameri’s article at Spiked: http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite...6#.WULJB9crKUk

Your discussion of the folly of de-Ba’athification is wholly irrelevant here. The Sunni Arab Iraqis who turned on U.S. forces – following their dismissal from the military, police and civil service, their political marginalization by way of an imposed democratic structure (facing a possibly tyranny of the Shia majority), and their consequent loss of the spoils of oil and gas in Kurdish and Shia hands – did so in Iraq.

The term “Muslim supremacism” is one that I began using because we do not refer to “White terrorism” or “White-ism”.

The worst Muslim supremacist terrorist attack on U.S. soil was prior to the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen and Libya. Even if the U.S. withdrew from the Middle East, its support for Israel would be enough for Muslim supremacists to regard Americans as aggressors.
Azor.....I really find it interesting that as someone who was never ever been in either Iraq and or AFG and or talked directly with just captured jihadis and then spent hours talking with them...you feel qualified to make these comments????

You really do not know what you are talking about....and this single sentence reflects that.....

If you took the time to read historically speaking everything printed back to the Ottoman empire and WW1 you might then understand that this underlying idea that the West has been beating up on Muslims and the West did not want us to be great nation states is a theme that is still there today.

IF you had talked with a former Iraqi ISI COL and Army officer who lost his salary and pension because of the US decision to disband the Army and Iraqi government organizations and now you have no money and no way to make money to support an extended family of say 14 and no food and then comes along a Sunni insurgent group and or AQI who offers you 1400 USDs per month to fight Americans..all you ask is where do I sign the contract.....I do not know how many jihadis who fought for AQI had little to no understanding of the Koran and or the Sunnahs and or the Shuras..but fighting for AQI at 1400 per month....was a go....

So before you race to such comments think it through and then ask yourself was I ever in the ME during the fighting and have I ever talked face to face with hardened jihadis.....

BTW a Ansar al Sunnah group leader a 26 year old Baghdad University trained vet who spoke a beautiful Arabic and perfect English led a 40 man group (Arab Sunni and Kurdish Sunni) that we rolled all up.... told me after talking with me for hours....

"Just because I talk with you and just because you do understand me and why I am fighting if I see you on the streets of Baqubah in the future I will kill you...."

BTW he was deadly serious....

Now lets compare experiences....and then lets see "who sees and understands"....
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