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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan Hartke View Post
    Actually, that's not going to be the case here. I address that consideration in the first paragraph of this post.
    Hi Logan and welcome. Yeap, some of us just can't get enough of this stuff.

    With regards to your ammo, 5.56 loose, 5.56 belt, 7.62 loose, 7.62 belt and 4.6 makes for 5 diferent types of ammo. But you are right in stating that we actually already have that in most modern units, in some shape or form.
    Same aplies to 60 mm mortar ammo. M6 long range uses latest generation bombs at approx. 2.4 kg each. Commando mortars are effective enough with lighter weight 'older' generation bombs at around 1.6 kg each (less weight to carry at that level). So again you would be looking at 2 types of ammo.
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    Default Welcome Logan Hartke

    Wow...

    What a lot to read. Needed two cups of java this AM!

    To Logan

    All good stuff mate!

    Good work. I do like the level of detail, but some critical detail is missing. You preferences are vastly more complex than my own, but it's always excellent to have a starting point on which to base the discussion.

    I have the following questions.

    a.) What is the rank structure and manning establishment of our organisation?
    b.) Who has what radios and what electro-optics?
    c.) Any idea as to average carried weights?
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    d.) How do all these folks operate? Can I just strap on current UK or US tactical doctrine and walk out of the door.

    Some of your equipment choices are interesting, and quite soundly reasoned, but others leave me a tad confused.

    I thing we may have to correspond privately in some detail, so as not to bore the natives rigid!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwigrunt View Post
    With regards to your ammo, 5.56 loose, 5.56 belt, 7.62 loose, 7.62 belt and 4.6 makes for 5 diferent types of ammo. But you are right in stating that we actually already have that in most modern units, in some shape or form.
    Totally agree, KiwiGrunt.

    The standard US rifle companies load out with over 60 ordnance items (we call unique configurations DODIC items). This includes all the rifle ammo, LMG & MMG ammo, 60 mm, assault weapons, grenades, smoke, pyro, etc. Obviously, BN and BCT carry linearly more ordnance items with increased capabilities.

    Thus, there is room to add PDW and 6.X ammo into the log train. This is not nearly as difficult as the batteries, rations, and medical supplies at the BN level.

    From the Friendly S-4....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattM View Post
    The standard US rifle companies load out with over 60 ordnance items (we call unique configurations DODIC items). This includes all the rifle ammo, LMG & MMG ammo, 60 mm, assault weapons, grenades, smoke, pyro, etc. Obviously, BN and BCT carry linearly more ordnance items with increased capabilities.

    Thus, there is room to add PDW and 6.X ammo into the log train. This is not nearly as difficult as the batteries, rations, and medical supplies at the BN level.

    From the Friendly S-4....
    The Companies may, but how many at the platoon level? The issue is not just numbers. The issue is actually managing the different natures at the platoon level. The bulk of natures expended are small arms ammunition.

    EG: If my fire teams just have 5.56mm ball, link, and 9mm, that's three spaces on my log card. Add two more ammo types and that is time and effort spilling into my tactical pause that can probably be better spent on other things.

    Personally, I'm pushing for a Platoon that has 5.56mm ball, 7.62mm link, and small quantities of 8.6mm and 9mm.

    I am not saying it is impossible, or undoable, but we probably need to look at reducing the number of natures, not increasing it.
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