Mnuchin says Trump "handled brilliantly" the election mettling issue in Putin bilat.
Doesn't explain how, and Mnuchin wasn't in the meeting.
Reporters asked Trump aides 3x to clear up difference between Russia & U.S. account of Trump-Putin meeting. They didn't answer the ?s.
"The President will be happy to make statements himself," Mnuchin says, after Trump skipped town without holding a G-20 press conference.
AND for those SWC readers and commenters that failed to notice this....REMEMBER Trump's number of public statements...he has had no Russian connections......
As US MSM investigative journalism is finally getting untracked we see suddenly this meeting that never was revealed by the Trump WH...why is that...BTW...this meeting has long been alluded to on social media reporting....four months ago.
And this is not a "back channel".....??
For those interested SWC readers...that unnamed in this article Russian lawyer "WAS a straight to Putin back channel" side stepping USG IC and DoS channels......Two weeks after Donald J. Trump clinched the Republican presidential nomination last year, his eldest son arranged a meeting at Trump Tower in Manhattan with a Russian lawyer who has connections to the Kremlin, according to confidential government records described to The New York Times.
The previously undisclosed meeting was also attended by Mr. Trump’s campaign chairman at the time, Paul J. Manafort, as well as the president’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, according to interviews and the documents, which were outlined by people familiar with them.
While President Trump has been dogged by revelations of undisclosed meetings between his associates and Russians, this episode at Trump Tower on June 9, 2016, is the first confirmed private meeting between a Russian national and members of Mr. Trump’s inner circle during the campaign. It is also the first time that his son Donald J. Trump Jr. is known to have been involved in such a meeting.
For those interested in Russian HoIS operations straight out of page 68 of their recruitment manual...."for clandestine off the books meetings".....
NOTICE Trump WH only admits to the meeting after being confronted by the report....
AND for those that do not understand US IC counterintelligence operations.......
This means the following....
"according to confidential government records"
USG IC CI viewed this Russian lawyer to be a member of HoIS and thus was under surveillance by USG CI......
So Trump....Russian hacking of US...Ukraine...Crimea and Syria are not part and parcel of an ongoing Russian political war against the West in general but specifically the US using Russian non linear warfare as the supporting mechanism??
Based on an ongoing SWC posting dispute...no SWC does not think that.
BUT WAIT......Even SWC posted a VOA article on apparent Russian hacking of US nuclear power plants......
BTW...this was actually proven by European Security Services.....they outright named APT 28.
The core problem is that SWC stove pipes threads and does not focus on those threads that are in fact intertwined with a certain shall we say "degree of complexity"....
Great for pushing a potential if it ever occurs "discussion" bad though for not being able to thoroughly understand the actual events as they unfold...
Russian non linear warfare is 24 X 7 X 365 with no breaks and or time outs taken....but apparently this is in the eyes of SWC..."soap box" posting...
SAD.....as I started in 2005 to read SWC because it was then far more open on comments...focused on the comments and loaded with a ton of tips....and a lot of commenters...now it is simply an echo chamber nothing more nothing less....
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 07-09-2017 at 10:19 AM.
My last posting for SWC as I as have other commenters are finding that there is a certain level of censorship in order to avoid "written conflict" or as SWC calls it "soap box"...
It is time to walk away as SWC is no longer even capable of seeing an ongoing actual Russian political war aimed directly at the US every single day using the President of the US as an entry point to destroy US democracy.....and that this particular political war involves, black money, corruption, Russian OC groups, Russian state sponsored hacking, RIS ongoing spy operations and Russian propaganda (info warfare) aimed straight at the proTrump alt right supporters who do not realize they are wrapped up in it against their own democracy...
But as former DNI stated yesterday in an interview....."USG IS always speaks truth to power"......and will continue "to speak truth to power whether that power wants to hear it or not"....
BUT sometimes when one cannot speak truth to power in a public domain...then it is time to leave that public domain...
Myself and few other former commenters will be launching in the coming month a blog site that tracks actual Russian hacking, disinformation and propaganda and the use of massive amounts of black money in their political war with the US......taken from multiple media sites and forums to show how this is being conducted and what success it is having...all with links, and full article postings making it simply easier to read instead of chasing links.
AND it will link straight back into the ongoing proTrump alt right ie white nationalist social media used in pushing Russian narratives both in the US and in Europe and pointing out along the way the massive Russian bot nets supporting this effort.
It will be initially focused on Europe but will expand to include everything ongoing in the US and both "Russian political war fronts" are heavily intertwined.....
Remember Putin has three geo political end states he wants to achieve against the US...in his political war.
1. damage and discredit NATO
2. damage and discredit EU
3. completely and totally disconnect US from Europe and ME, BUT especially from Germany....a 70 year old goal BTW....
Then ask yourself has Trump provided any support to Putin achieving these three geo political goals?....as some are now saying in Europe...Trump is actively supporting Putin....
Might be hard for Americans to accept this, but easy for Europeans as they match Trump's own words, tweets, public statements at rallies straight to actual on the ground actions...
We seem to forget that the WH has gone on the record as stating all Trump tweets are "official WH statements"....
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 07-09-2017 at 10:42 AM.
BTW...for those that have been issued a USG security clearance and has filled out and or updated your SF 86......Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09
Trump's son-in-law Kushner mentioned in this meeting with a USG IC thought to be potential HoIS DID NOT include this meeting on his SF 86...
"Completely forgot about it" JUST as he did two other Russian meetings...THIS is the third time he has under pressure been forced to potentially update his incorrectly filled out SF86....SEEMS he just does not understand the question....."Have you ever meet with and or had meetings with and or have any ongoing contacts or business dealings with any foreigner---if YES please list all details, names and addresses on a separate sheet if necessary"?
In the "normal world" this individual would have been fired, his clearance revoked and potentially sentenced to jail time and or a fine for lying outright to USG clearance investigators....MULTIPLE times....just once as a "simple mistake"....
BUT he seemingly gets a "pass".....why is that?
BTW....this is the Russian lawyer contact and meeting he failed to enter in his SF86....kind of an important item to simply "forget"...
The attorney, Natalia Veselnitskaya, isn't just "Kremlin-connected," she'a a well-known RU mob lawyer w/known and verified FSB links
Last edited by davidbfpo; 07-09-2017 at 12:30 PM. Reason: brevity
A searing assessment of the President of the United States by political editor @CUhlmann of Australia's ABC.
7:39 pm - 8 Jul 2017Trump 'has no desire and no capacity to lead the world'
Donald Trump managed to isolate his nation, to confuse and alienate his allies and to diminish America says ABC political editor Chris Uhlmann when speaking with Insiders host Barrie Cassidy.
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/statu...78237767704576
AND the Trump WH lends more credence to this article...
White House Confuses Taiwan And China In Painful G20 Press Release Blunder
Nothing but amateur....the WH also forgot to book a hotel for Trump on top of it....
AND even more credence with this Trump statement that he fully and completely understands international trade and economics...
Trump told G20 leaders they were "largely responsible" for US trade deficit: report
http://hill.cm/4VO261l
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 07-09-2017 at 11:41 AM.
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NOTICE this comment got flagged for evidently not being in synch with the thread...
But is it not interesting that Russian confirmed hacking of the US election with USG IC holding evidence of Putin involvement....and the still ongoing hacking and influence operation is "supposedly discussed by Trump" for over 40 minutes......WITH as Putin publicly stating "Trump accepted Putin's statement "it ain't us"....
If there is in the world of international relations two different versions of a single meeting then in the past one side or the other releases a certified copy of the actual discussion for all the world to see...BUT here silence on both parties....
AND then we have two ...two separate interpretations of what was actually said and we have two known and verified liars as nation state leaders that no one can really say for sure which one is not lying???
At least the attempted hacking of US nuclear power plants should have motivated Trump to discuss the issue for more than 40 minutes.../
BTW confirmed by European Security Services...as Russian APT 28.
And also confirmed by my research here in Belin.....
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 07-09-2017 at 10:16 AM.
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