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As to Razziq, his tribe has always controlled the border on the road from Kandahar through Spin Boldak to Qetta. The only difference is that with all the money associated with the coalition efforts the money amounts have gone up in recent years. This is classic Afghanistan and will not change because we find it offensive, nor is it a major issue in who wins or loses in Afghanistan. If GIRoA falls and the Taliban rise to power, Razziq or some other strong man he has nurtured to replace him from his tribe will still be guarding that gateway and taking tolls. We delude ourselves if we think otherwise.
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I am assuming the RCMP also has a different M.O. and culture for each region. Not so much with the ANP. They send that Hazara Captain to Kandahar and tell him to "enforce the peace". ![]() And they send that Pashtun officer to Herat and tell him to do likewise. There is "some" attempts to localize the ANP, but most of those are window-dressing, based upon my observations. |
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The Philippines has a national, centrally led police force, and I wouldn't exactly say its mandate is enforcing tyranny, though it is certainly corrupt. At one time the police were under the control of municipal, provincial, and city governments, and city governments, but they quickly became in many cases little more than government-paid thugs working for mayors and governors, with a definite mandate to enforce tyranny. That still happens, but at least the central authority has the ability to shuffle the deck and transfer officers that get too cozy with local authority... even if that ability isn't always used, or is used too late. Very much imperfect, but better than it was in the days of local control.
How that would work in Afghanistan I don't know... probably not very well, like everything else. There is no system that will not be corrupted if the people running it are corrupt. I'd only point out that a central police force isn't necessarily or at all times a worse or more tyrannical alternative. I guess that would depend on where the loci of tyranny - especially that tyranny that affects the common people - really are. Local governments can be every bit as tyrannical, within their bailiwicks, as central ones.
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Apart from the mention of the ANP I think the comment on the NDS is of note.
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I've been rolled up by the NDS twice. They were professional to a point, but still; you do not want to be rolled up by the NDS.
Your tax dollars at work, though. This is what happens when you pretend a puppet state is actually a sovereign nation. They act out in really stupid and self-defeating ways. |
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I visited the NDS compound a few times during my tour. My ANA counterpart did not look comfortable when I dragged him in - the second time he wouldn't even go.
They seem to be a bunch of shady dudes with pistols that know the whereabouts of every insurgent and talk to them frequently.... |
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Hat tip to Circling the Lion's Den a pointer to a Human Rights Watch report on the Afghan Local Police (ALP).
Comment:http://circlingthelionsden.blogspot....s-failing.html Cited HRW report:http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/fil...1webwcover.pdf One chapter is entitled: Quote:
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CNA, 15 Jan 12: What do Afghans want from the Police? Views from Helmand Province
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The Afghan Local Police (ALP) have a place within his thread and the below comment is from a SWJ article, the author being:
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The ANP have not gone away, but maybe before they do
Hurst have published 'Policing Afghanistan: The Politics of the Lame Leviathan' by Antonio Giustozzi and Mohammed Isaqzadeh.The publishers blurb: Quote:
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Hardly a surprising headline for a BBC TV Panorama programme being broadcast tonight, Afghan police accused of corruption and child abuse is a report by Ben Anderson, whose documentaries are always excellent:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21547542
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