CBS is reporting explosives were placed in 6-Liter pressure cookers.
Fwiw, the failed Times Square bombing also involved a pressure cooker.
CBS is reporting explosives were placed in 6-Liter pressure cookers.
Fwiw, the failed Times Square bombing also involved a pressure cooker.
“[S]omething in his tone now reminded her of his explanations of asymmetric warfare, a topic in which he had a keen and abiding interest. She remembered him telling her how terrorism was almost exclusively about branding, but only slightly less so about the psychology of lotteries…” - Zero History, William Gibson
I speculate that they are looking very closely at pax lists for flights that left the east coast for Europe with connections further east.Originally Posted by bourbon
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again." Gen. Nathanael Greene
Where's Stan?
We need Stan to surface and give some insight on this! This is straight up his alley.
Sorry Slap, just finished my day job !
Where to begin ?
First off, let’s discuss what we really have. Nothing on official sites is in and nothing should be as forensics takes tons of time.
A simple pipe bomb with that much of a blast effect and secondary’s intended to bounce victims back and forth is not some average bomb maker on a lone quest. They had help and these were not some ordinary pipe bombs in backpacks. It’s also clear that some of these failed devices were intended for First Responders.
Imagine how many people yesterday had backpacks on. How many put them down, discarded their trash, etc. ?
As far as fragmentation goes, detonated at ground level against a wall and direct the Sierra forward up to 50 yards low level. Claymore anyone ?
Some speculate that extremists groups (KKK and McVeigh) were angry with failed homeland security Bravo Sierra and really angry with a bunch of fast Africans winning every year at what is considered nearly as popular as the Super Bowl.
Will keep you informed
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More uniformed speculation from me.
As Bourbon suggested, what if timing was intended to miss the foreigners? This thing is as much PR as anything else and it wouldn't play as well in countries in Africa, the Levant and South Asia if Kenyans and Ethiopians got blown up.
Hey Stan: They say it was not a high explosive and I think the smoke was white. Would a black powder bomb do the trick?
Last edited by carl; 04-16-2013 at 07:52 PM.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again." Gen. Nathanael Greene
Hey Carl,
I wouldn't go jumping to conclusions based on a white cloud of smoke before X-spray samples are in with forensics. Black powder, that is the real stuff made of sulfur, etc., is rare these days in ammunition like shotgun shells which contain pelletized powders. These so-called smokeless powders or even pyrodex are class C vs A and among other things easier to obtain.
If you want to blend in, take the bus
Wise words. I get all wrapped up in trying to figure things out and can't stop myself.
You can buy black powder ready made here. I checked one web site and they can ship up to 50#. There is a big market for muzzle loading hunting, re-enacters and those who like to shoot black powder guns and cannon.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again." Gen. Nathanael Greene
Thanks Stan, I know you can only share so much on such topics. This is helpful insight.
“[S]omething in his tone now reminded her of his explanations of asymmetric warfare, a topic in which he had a keen and abiding interest. She remembered him telling her how terrorism was almost exclusively about branding, but only slightly less so about the psychology of lotteries…” - Zero History, William Gibson
Glad to help where I can and there is always PM
If you want to blend in, take the bus
Time will tell.
As soon as I heard about the explosions my thought was that it might have had as much to do with Tax Day and Patriots’ Day as with the Marathon.
If you don’t read the newspaper, you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed. – Mark Twain (attributed)
If it was directed against the gov instead of the Americans, a gov facility would be a much more likely target I think.
Besides, nobody much outside MA, ME and WI has ever heard of Patriots Day.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again." Gen. Nathanael Greene
Which may or may not be suggestive. (PD is very much a “real” holiday in Mass—banks are open, but schools and state offices are closed.)
If you don’t read the newspaper, you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed. – Mark Twain (attributed)
I'd second this, if we're calling stuff in from the sidelines. I'd also postulate that most Americans outside of a specific socioeconomic circle really don't care about the Marathon. If you wanted to hit "heartland America" where it hurt, you'd go for NASCAR or NCAA football. We also shouldn't assume that the bombs went off when they were supposed to.
Actually, some of this reminded me of the old-school IRA stuff. And after all, this was only decided on Monday. Not saying that it's necessarily linked to this, mind, but some folks have long memories and not everything that happens today has to be about what happened today (or even yesterday).
"On the plains and mountains of the American West, the United States Army had once learned everything there was to learn about hit-and-run tactics and guerrilla warfare."
T.R. Fehrenbach This Kind of War
Patriots Day
If you were a home grown group or individual who wanted to "start a revolution" in the US against the government Patriots Day is the perfect day to do it - the day that Paul Revere made his famous ride almost to Concord where the local militia fired the "shot heard round the world" - it would have huge significance to a US based anti-government group.
"I can change almost anything ... but I can't change human nature."
Jon Osterman/Dr. Manhattan
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There are two things wrong with this view (or my view may turn out to be completely wrong).
First is, why would anybody would wanted to strike at the gov, not strike at the gov? Why blow up average people? That would be alienating the prime audience.
Second, most of the people in the country never heard of Patriots Day. I never did until yesterday and I thought it was one of those contrived 3 day weekend holidays like Presidents Day. It might have huge significance in MA but in OH or IL people never heard of it.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again." Gen. Nathanael Greene
So far, the published speculation of the form "home grown group or individual who wanted to "start a revolution" in the US against the government" has come from a variety of hard Left types in "respectable" venues who (at least the honest ones) are expressing a hope that it's some conservative, white male. Their expressed concern is that if a foreign (or Islamist) terrorist or group is responsible, it will derail the agenda.
I won't link to the sites because such contemptible blather shouldn't be promoted in any way.
They only thing we KNOW is that some psychotic(s) set bombs that killed and maimed a lot of people. We can be confident that if and when we catch up to him/her, he will have some blather about why he/she was justified. If anyone wants to pre-blame a particular part of the domestic political spectrum, then be intellectually honest enough to acknowledge that, when the facts are in, their condemnation will attach to WHICHEVER part of the spectrum the psycho(s) profess adherence to.
(Anyone who want to disagree gets to hear my "theory" as to why it was pro-choice activists trying to punish supporters of "Run for the Cure" because the Koman Foundation tried to pull funding for Planned Parenthood.)
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