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    SIMPLY telling these days........

    A much much ignored fact. The regime front line with ISIS is probably the most peaceful area in entire region

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    Is CENTCOM paying attention to this PKK Statement from today..virtually admitting that their forces are in norther Aleppo area.......they are just hidden in YPG and SDF uniforms

    PKK: If #Turkey's attack on Rojava continue, #PKK to deploy more forces there. We are ready to do everything to defend it - @SarkawtShams

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    A proAssad commenter take on the Russian troops arriving in Aleppo......

    Aleppo, Syria (10:10 P.M.) – Local activists in Aleppo City reported on Monday that a convoy of Russian Marines were seen traveling along the Al-Castillo Highway towards government-controlled parts of the provincial capital.

    According to these local reports, the total number of Russian Marines that arrived in Aleppo today is estimated between 80-100 military personnel.

    If true, this news would follow the recent diplomatic developments taking place between the U.S. and Russian governments regarding the possibility of conducting joint airstrikes against the jihadists

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    DOD: We want to make clear that we find these clashes -- in areas where #ISIL is not located -- unacceptable and a source of deep concern.

    And you are serious?! ...
    Your guys (SDF/YPG) do not withdraw and Turkey considers them terrorists.
    Too predictable.

    WHAT eight year old inside DoD and CENTCOM is creating US FP right now????

    Looking at #Aleppo province, there is only one force, NOT fighting #ISIS since 8 months ...
    Guess who.


    YPG.......

    Dear @OIRSpox,
    if you can reach @PolatCanRojava, would you please inform him,he is part of the #YPG/#Turkey deal?!..


    Meaning...withdraw east of the Eurphates.....
    BREAKING We don't support Turkey moving south and engaging with SDF, and SDF should not engage Turkey in return: White House

    Jarabulus Military Council: We withdraw S of Sajur river to protect civilians from Turkish airstrikes

    BUT WAIT they are still engaging FSA and the Turks.....all along their held area and now PKK threatens to send more troops into the area to join their troops already fighting there....

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    Putin is v confused & doesn't know what a win looks like in Syria, but he will keep bombing untill he sees one

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.0ff79e74486b

    The disastrous nonintervention in Syria
    Physical, human and political damage on an unprecedented scale.

    By Anne Applebaum Columnist August 29 at 7:25 PM 


    I do not know what would have happened if, three years ago Monday, David Cameron, the British prime minister, had not foolishly held and lost a vote on intervention in Syria in the House of Commons. Perhaps if he had paid more attention, seemed more interested and told his colleagues to come home from vacation, he might have succeeded. Perhaps an intervention would have followed. Perhaps it would have helped end the conflict — or perhaps it would have failed.

    We will never know. But we do know what happened instead. Britain withdrew support for a mission intended to halt the use of chemical weapons by Bashar al-Assad, the Syrian dictator. Spooked by the House of Commons vote, President Obama also changed his mind. On the morning of Aug. 30, 2013, Secretary of State John F. Kerry called for action: “History is full of leaders who have warned against inaction, indifference, and especially against silence when it mattered most.” By the next day, however, the president declared that all plans for a strike were off. The French, caught off guard, didn’t want to do anything alone, so they too withdrew — regretfully. “It was a great surprise,” the French prime minister told the Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg. “If we had bombed as was planned, I think things would be different today.”

    I repeat: Maybe a U.S.-British-French intervention would have ended in disaster. If so, we would today be mourning the consequences. But sometimes it’s important to mourn the consequences of nonintervention too. Three years on, we do know, after all, exactly what nonintervention has produced:

    Deaths. Estimates of war casualties range from about 155,000 to 400,000, depending on who is counted. This month, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights had registered a total of 14,711 dead children. Since the Islamic State created its caliphate in Syria, an estimated 2,350 civilians have been executed by the group. Life expectancy in Syria has dropped from almost 80 to 55.

    Refugees. According to the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), there were 4.8 million registered Syrian refugees as of Aug. 16. There are thought to be an additional 2 million refugees who remain inside Syria but are displaced from their homes. Three-quarters of those who have fled their homes are women and children. Most own nothing except what they are wearing. To give some perspective, the refugee crisis caused by the Yugoslav wars in the early 1990s produced 2.3 million refugees, a number then considered to be the worst refugee crisis since the 1940s. The Syrian crisis is three times larger.

    In a brief statement Sunday, Jan. 31, Secretary of State John Kerry called for the continuation of Syrian peace talks in Geneva and for immediate steps to increase food aid and other humanitarian assistance to Syrians. (U.S. Department of State)

    Physical destruction. The ancient cities of Aleppo, Bosra and Palmyra are irreparably damaged. Damascus is badly damaged. Infrastructure — roads, bridges, factories — across the country has been destroyed. Schools and hospitals have been leveled. Only last month, the Syrian government bombed four makeshift hospitals and a blood bank in Aleppo.

    Destabilization of the region. The vast majority of the refugees are in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt, where they put an enormous economic and political burden on poorer, frailer states. A fifth of the residents of Lebanon are Syrian refugees, numbers that may upset the delicate political balance there. Riots have broken out in refugee camps in Jordan. In Turkey, the side effects of the Syrian war also include the exacerbation of tensions with the Kurdish minority and other groups inside the country, as well as high rates of crime, smuggling and unrest along the border. Turkey, a NATO member, has been drawn further into the conflict: If the Islamic State attacks Turkey, there may have to be a NATO response.

    Destabilization of Europe. Thanks in part to the war in Syria, hundreds of thousands of refugees have sought to reach Europe by boat across the Mediterranean or by foot across the Balkans. UNHCR reckoned in May that more than 2,000 people — from Syria as well as Africa — had drowned in 2016 alone, more than had died in the same period in 2015. Islands off the coast of Greece and Italy are overwhelmed. The European Union’s unwillingness or inability to control the flow has helped further undermine its institutional credibility.

    Rise of xenophobia across the West. The spectacle of hundreds of thousands of people walking and sailing into Europe has also launched an unprecedented wave of xenophobia. Elections in Austria and Poland have been partly swayed by anti-refugee rhetoric, which also played a part in the Brexit vote in the U.K. Far-right and nationalist parties in Hungary, France, Germany and Italy are successfully using fear of Syrian refugees to gain support. So is the Donald Trump campaign in the United States.

    To sum up: Physical, human and political damage on an unprecedented scale; ongoing security threats; the renewed stirrings of fascism. Maybe those are better than the alternative that seemed so unpalatable to the British Parliament and the American president. But it’s hardly an outstanding success.
    BUT WAIT these results are EXACTLY what the Obama/Rhodes/Kerry WH wanted when they fully turned to Iran as the coming regional hegemon and then created their great Syrian/IS strategy of "doing nothing stupid".......in order to support that move.....all supported by spinning Congress and the American people....
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    Perfect example of the much MSM heralded Kerry Geneva press conference term "clarity" which was reached with Russia.....SO this must be the much heralded "clarity" Kerry spoke about....

    Sarmin, Hamdiya, Binish, Marshamarin, Saraqib, Marat al-Nouman, Jarjanaz, Idlib city, Kafroumeh, Jisr al-Shugour all hit w/ incendiary bombs

    Continuous bombardment thought to be phospurus targeting Idlib, Saraqeb & Jisr al-Shugour

    Idlib More footage from afar of the fires blazing in Jisr al-Shugour due to Russian airstrikes w/ incendiary bombs
    https://youtu.be/1CTlLYERKfU

    Idlib Happening now: Russian jets bombing Jisr al-Shugour with incendiary munitions
    https://youtu.be/sActV0ESh7Y

    This isn’t #Vietnam 1972 but #Syria 2016 where #Putin_Assad burn children with #napalm and incendiary bombs before the eyes of the world
    YET Obama/Rhodes/Kerry WH say nothing....as if it never happened and the UNSC is proving just how useless it has become when an aggressor state can veto anything actions voted on against it or it's war crimes/genocide partner....
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    ISIS affiliate LSY Abu Raghed al-Urduni (Jordanian) killed by rebels & 3 captured trying to infiltrate Tasil, Daraa

    Dressed in women’s clothes as can be seen

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    If this is new video then FSA 1st Coastal Div is still resisting regime push in Eyn Issa area in Jabal Turkman, #Latakia
    https://youtu.be/G3oBVRc8cJ4

    Clashes reported between lazy FSA rebels in the south with #ISIS affiliate Jaish Khalid Bin Walid on the outskirts of Tasil in #Daraa

    REMEMBER the Obama WH critiqued Tureky and FSA yesterday for attacking SDF AND NOT IS.....WELL appears they do not quite know what is ongoing inside Syria as does not CENTCOM know....
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    Hama Heavy clashes in Halfaya, Masasneh & Buweida, regime counter attacking with heavy artillery shelling & rocket fire

    5 dead in Assad airstrikes in the Salihin area in #Aleppo after midnight last night
    Includes children again as always....


    At least 5 Russian airstrikes targeted road between Kafrkarmin & Atareb in west rural #Aleppo this morning

    Russia'n airstrikes along aid/food supply road from #Turkey to #Aleppo
    https://youtu.be/xIHFMRUVI2U

    Hama Report from ruins of National Hospital in #Halfaya-
    used by regime for barrier
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bSXEz7NZhs …
    http://wikimapia.org/#lang=de&lat=35...28858&z=18&m=b …

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    Syria's #Assad running out of men. #Russia send soldiers to man checkpoints. 80-100 arrived yesterday in #Aleppo
    First reported yesterday via social media...

    http://gulfnews.com/news/mena/syria/...eppo-1.1887139

    August 30, 2016

    Russia to send ground troops to Syria’s Aleppo

    It would be the first deployment of Russian military personnel outside its military base on the Syrian coast


    Beirut: Russia has put forth the unprecedented suggestion of deploying ground troops in Syria for the first time since the Russian Air Force joined the Syrian war last September in an effort to bolster its ally Syrian President Bashar Al Assad.

    The offer, submitted to the UN for approval, would be the first deployment of Russian military personnel outside the Hmaymeem military base on the Syrian coast.

    BUT WAIT...Russia sent troops before the UN could even answer their proposal...Russia really does not care what the UN says when it comes to Syria

    The troops would be used to support government troops currently fighting in Aleppo, but it is not clear how many Russian boots would be sent.

    Their main focus would be to man military checkpoints, surveillance centres and intelligence units on the Castello Road at the entrance of the ancient city.

    Aleppo, once coined the industrial capital of Syria, is now largely in ruins, as the brunt of the Syrian war has been focused on the city which has been divided between government and opposition forces since 2012.

    Opposition forces are currently fighting to break a government imposed siege on the city aimed at choking out the last remaining rebel forces.

    Russia wants its troops to control the humanitarian corridors, bringing in UN aid to both rebel-held eastern Aleppo and government-controlled western Aleppo.

    The Syrian opposition is against the proposal. It wants aid to come in through the Ramouseh district in southwest Aleppo which is controlled by the Free Syrian Army.

    When Russia joined the war in September, it promised its mission would be short and swift, but a call for ground troops signals a more entrenching position in the country.

    With the support of Russian war planes, Syrian government troops were able to retake the ancient city of Palmyra from Daesh, along with 12,000 square metres of countryside in Latakia, Aleppo and Hama.

    While Russia said its entry in the war was to defeat Daesh, it has largely focused its efforts on striking Al Nusra Front and other Turkish-backed rebel groups who, in their view, are terrorists.

    Moscow has helped facilitate supervised talks between the Syrian army and Kurdish militias in Al Hasaka last week. They were also involved in securing a deal for rebels to evacuate the strategic town of Daraya, south of Damascus.

    The Russians have also been heavily involved in revamping and upgrading the military airports of Hmaymeem on the Syrian coast, T4 in Palmyra, and Kuweires, all three of which have been put at the disposal of the Russian Army.

    All three have been placed under the disposal of the Russian Army. President Vladimir Putin announced his decision to put full weight behind the government in Damascus during his address at the UN General Assembly last September.

    In October he gave a televised address, saying that the operations have been planned in advance, as early as March 2015.

    He added that his goal in Syria was “stabilising the legitimate power” and “creating conditions for political compromise”.

    His foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, has been heavily involved in brokering Syrian peace talks in Geneva since last January.

    During 11 months of battle, the Russian Army has lost one jet, which was shot down by the Turkish Air Force last November.

    That single incident triggered a political and economic confrontation between Moscow and Ankara, reportedly costing the Turkish economy $10 billion in lost trade with Russia.

    The dispute was settled after Recep Tayyip Erdogan made an official apology earlier this summer, ahead of a high-profile meeting with Putin in St Petersburg on August 9.

    As a result of that summit, the Russians started accommodating Turkish worries in Syria, namely vis-a-vis Kurdish ambitions of statehood on the Syrian-Turkish border.

    Putin promised to eradicate the Kurdish project in exchange for letting his troops and the Syrian Army overrun the city of Aleppo. Last week, the Kremlin was silent over the Turkish Army’s invasion and occupation of the Syrian border city of Jarablus, where it was fully liberated from Daesh. Reciprocating, Putin severed his ties with Syrian Kurds and nudged government troops to bomb their positions in the north-eastern city of Al Hasaka.
    NOW we fully see the Kerry/Lavrov Geneva "clarity" hard at work.....AND there is no joint operations ongoing between the US and Russia?????
    REMEMBER the Russian Ambassador to Syria stated publicly "Assad had no intentions in attacking Aleppo"....AND Kerry "trusts" Lavrov over and over and over......
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    Heavy air strikes on #Aleppo and #Idlib provinces continue this morning.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIHFMRUVI2U …

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    This is the Syrian ground reality that the Obama WH OR CENTCOM simply does not understand nor wants to fully understand.....as it defies the rational thinking Obama.....AND apparently CENTCOM as well

    Crazy in #Hama yday ...
    If one thing unites moderates and islamist extremists, it's #Assad.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy4VuMjBVls …

    He makes the shaved guy with the Victory sign and the spooky guy with the Schahāda flag fight together, no matter their differences.


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    From last night....

    FlightAlert
    There are two #US spy planes over #Aleppo province tonight.
    One near al-Bab, one near Jarabulus.

    They both literally drilled holes in the sky on FlightAlert.....was a solid blue over both areas as Turkey and FSA are headed to al-Bab and hold Jarabulus....

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    JUST how can this could have happened....??

    CIA-backed rebels and Pentagon-backed Kurdish militia are again fighting in Syria. But this time Turkey's involved:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/wo...rebels-isis-ku...

    AND the senior leadership of the USA SF never stopped to ask.....nor apparently got reports from the field questioning the deployment of SF to support PKK....

    Maybe they need to read social media feeds more often.....it has been there for over FIVE long years posted by some of the best non DC/DoD paid talking heads..as they are viewed as true SMEs on Syria and the ME....

    Sad...really sad....
    Particularly tragic is that one of DOD's representatives (in a Congressional hearing?) actually admitted 'links' between the PKK and the PYD/YPG, early this year.

    ...which is not to talk about the fact that when one asks the YPGs, they openly say, 'yes, we came from the PKK'.

    Which means that the DOD would only have to listen to what its own allies and 'advisors' in the field (i.e. US SFs deployed in northern Syria) say. But, they ignore even that.

    The question is therefore not any more if this is a matter of fact. The question is actually: why is this fact so stubbornly ignored?

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    I can hardly believe my eyes and ears what I've got to see this morning... finally, after nearly 12 months of VKS combat operations in Syria, there is at least a trace of evidence of Russians flying something like 'CAS'.

    Here a video of a CBU attack on one of Jaysh al-Izza's elements in northern Hama. One sequence is clearly showing effects of a CBU strike.

    Theoretically, this could be an artillery strike. But, gauging by the sounds of a jet in the background, it's probable that this was an air strike. And since Assadists are not known of having CBUs, and the sound of the jet is very distant, it was almost certainly a (high-flying) VKS jet.

    That said, the Russians were at least 24 hours late (no surprise here, given their ops by daily tasking orders), because insurgents (and Jihadists) have certainly entered Halfaya, yesterday afternoon:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQlWVQSYwd4

    Scared of air strikes, the local population is fleeing along Orontes River (not in direction of regime's positions, in the south, but towards north):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GugoOtWo-CU

    As usually, the question here is 'why'? Why is the VKS flying air strikes on the FSyA + JAA (Jund al-Aqsa, which is a 'Chechen/Caucasian' Jihadist that split from the ex-JAN-cum-JFS) in northern Hama but not against the JFS in southern Aleppo?

    To the best of my knowledge there are two reasons:

    - 1.) It's Russian Army troops that are holding the 2nd defensive line north of Hama (the one behind the SSNP-held frontline that crumbled under Jaysh al-Izza's and JAA's assault yesterday), about 15km north of Hama (city), and

    - 2.) northern Hama is held by 'regime' (i.e. SSNP's troops, supported by Hezbollah/Syria), but not by the IRGC...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrowBat View Post
    I can hardly believe my eyes and ears what I've got to see this morning... finally, after nearly 12 months of VKS combat operations in Syria, there is at least a trace of evidence of Russians flying something like 'CAS'.

    Here a video of a CBU attack on one of Jaysh al-Izza's elements in northern Hama. One sequence is clearly showing effects of a CBU strike.

    Theoretically, this could be an artillery strike. But, gauging by the sounds of a jet in the background, it's probable that this was an air strike. And since Assadists are not known of having CBUs, and the sound of the jet is very distant, it was almost certainly a (high-flying) VKS jet.

    That said, the Russians were at least 24 hours late (no surprise here, given their ops by daily tasking orders), because insurgents (and Jihadists) have certainly entered Halfaya, yesterday afternoon:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQlWVQSYwd4

    Scared of air strikes, the local population is fleeing along Orontes River (not in direction of regime's positions, in the south, but towards north):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GugoOtWo-CU

    As usually, the question here is 'why'? Why is the VKS flying air strikes on the FSyA + JAA (Jund al-Aqsa, which is a 'Chechen/Caucasian' Jihadist that split from the ex-JAN-cum-JFS) in northern Hama but not against the JFS in southern Aleppo?

    To the best of my knowledge there are two reasons:

    - 1.) It's Russian Army troops that are holding the 2nd defensive line north of Hama (the one behind the SSNP-held frontline that crumbled under Jaysh al-Izza's and JAA's assault yesterday), about 15km north of Hama (city), and

    - 2.) northern Hama is held by 'regime' (i.e. SSNP's troops, supported by Hezbollah/Syria), but not by the IRGC...
    THOUSANDS of civilians flee #Helfaya after its liberation from #Assad.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GugoOtWo-CU …

    They KNOW, #Assad will destroy the town now and flee to REBEL-held areas further away from the front.

    Pro-#Assad sources say, "intense artillery attacks on terrorists" in #Helfaya and #Masasinah started.

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    Mil Mi-8 dropping bombs on #Huraytan, north of #Aleppo.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-HyWFAx9Xs …

    Heavy air strikes on #Aleppo and #Idlib provinces continue this morning.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIHFMRUVI2U …

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrowBat View Post
    I can hardly believe my eyes and ears what I've got to see this morning... finally, after nearly 12 months of VKS combat operations in Syria, there is at least a trace of evidence of Russians flying something like 'CAS'.

    Here a video of a CBU attack on one of Jaysh al-Izza's elements in northern Hama. One sequence is clearly showing effects of a CBU strike.

    Theoretically, this could be an artillery strike. But, gauging by the sounds of a jet in the background, it's probable that this was an air strike. And since Assadists are not known of having CBUs, and the sound of the jet is very distant, it was almost certainly a (high-flying) VKS jet.

    That said, the Russians were at least 24 hours late (no surprise here, given their ops by daily tasking orders), because insurgents (and Jihadists) have certainly entered Halfaya, yesterday afternoon:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQlWVQSYwd4

    Scared of air strikes, the local population is fleeing along Orontes River (not in direction of regime's positions, in the south, but towards north):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GugoOtWo-CU

    As usually, the question here is 'why'? Why is the VKS flying air strikes on the FSyA + JAA (Jund al-Aqsa, which is a 'Chechen/Caucasian' Jihadist that split from the ex-JAN-cum-JFS) in northern Hama but not against the JFS in southern Aleppo?

    To the best of my knowledge there are two reasons:

    - 1.) It's Russian Army troops that are holding the 2nd defensive line north of Hama (the one behind the SSNP-held frontline that crumbled under Jaysh al-Izza's and JAA's assault yesterday), about 15km north of Hama (city), and

    - 2.) northern Hama is held by 'regime' (i.e. SSNP's troops, supported by Hezbollah/Syria), but not by the IRGC...
    CrowBat....appears to me that the Russian ground forces are being pushed into a more open active defense...meaning being shot at.....of Assad....

    Now with the initial 80-100 Russian Marines arriving in Aleppo in the last few days....and a supposed request for more Russian troops going to the UN....which I think is just a Russian PR gag....

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    N. #Hama: heavy clashes N. of Taibat Al-Imam & 14.5 mm gun destroyed by Jund Al-Aqsa.
    http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35....701889&z=13&m

    N. #Hama: Rebels took back Buwaida after Regime counter-attack & seized a Shilka.
    http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35....695194&z=13&m

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