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    Something was hit in #Donetsk, fire burning:
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    21:00 #Donetsk @rjpthju62irjkf [forum] smoke continue to rise over building supplies market at #railway station, sirens
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    Alchevsk 20:30 Huge convoy of Gvozdika self-propelled guns on move towards #Stakhanov (#Kadiivka), 36 pieces.

    "How to survive a Russian hack: Lessons from Eastern Europe & the Baltics" A genuinely good piece by @lindakintsler
    https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...tm_source=twb#

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    And here we go, outgoing GRAD's from #Donetsk

    Deep, heavy booms, big guns working!

    Donetsk: Live feed from #Donetsk. You can hear nonstop fighting.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z83JrvZBQqw#

    Human Shields in Donetsk: Launching Grads near a Residential Area
    https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-a...-area/#…

    Ukr Gen Staff: Today till 6PM two of our servicemen KIA, 9 WIA.

    Hard to find words on this scale of fighting, just pure insanity. I pray for all people living in this hell! #Ukraine #Donetsk

    21:10 #Donetsk @relictDon Again outgoing fire fr/#Durna_Balka direction, maybe former area of #Smolyanka coke plant

    21:02 #Donetsk #Kirovskyi ds @ropogckou Smth has landed, blast wave, windows set open wide

    21:08 #Donetsk #railway station @The_Ukrop artillery salvos, now from new positions

    21:15 #Horlivka @ahab9889 SW: Grad is heard

    21:19 #Makiivka @OldHistoric They hit area of #bypass-#Hryhorivka w/ smth great rocket-like, and like hit the target, for it flashed great

    Avdeevka hit by GRAD rockets as we speak

    GRAD's heard south west of #Horlivka - Heavy battle reported from #Svitlodarsk_bulge

    21:15 #Yasynuvata @GirkinGirkin Grad

    21:35 #Avdiivka @bamr69 Incoming Grads
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    21:24 #Donetsk #Petrovskyi @zzzwefzzz Again outgoing artillery fr/#mine21 and #forestry

    21:25 #Dokuchaevsk @GadPosledniy We can hear launches of Grads. They don't spare ammo. Full loads

    21:24 #Donetsk @relictDon Grad roughly fr/#Flora direction. Was seen flying

    21:24 #Avdiivka @Cryion1 Grad has been heard working, half load, but pretty soft, probably landed in fields

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    Avdiivka Offensive Aimed at Kremlin ‘Dialogue’ with Trump & Undermining Minsk Agreement - Human Rights in Ukraine
    http://khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1485989554#

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    The term creeping is somewhat out of place...yes moving forward in some of the grey zones...but if one looks at the Minsk 2 front line map...those areas are actually designated to be under UAF control but Russian mercenaries had pushed forward into those areas...just as Debaltseve is in their UAF but taken by Russian forces....
    Admittedly these advances were in "gray areas", bringing the frontlines closer together, and Debaltsevo should have been in Ukrainian hands per Minsk II. Having said that, it would be considered an offensive, just as Russia invaded Chechnya in 1994 and 1999, and Georgia invaded South Ossetia in 2008.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    Admittedly these advances were in "gray areas", bringing the frontlines closer together, and Debaltsevo should have been in Ukrainian hands per Minsk II. Having said that, it would be considered an offensive, just as Russia invaded Chechnya in 1994 and 1999, and Georgia invaded South Ossetia in 2008.
    The term offensive is one of those misused words...if in Minsk 2 it states location X then UAF now has the power to either take X or to defend X.......

    While they are taking loses manpower wise they are chewing up Russian mercenary units and Russian commanders are also among those being killed...

    And a big difference...in previous strong mercenary ground attacks...UAF has often not returned fire in order to not be accused of breaking Minsk 2....

    Now they return fire immediately and strongly.....

    Yesterday 4 Ukr serviceman KIA, 17 WIA.

    ATO: 117 attacks on Ukr positions y/day, RU forces used GRADs at Avdiivka, Pisky, Kamyanka, Optyne, Shyrokyne, Novohryhorivka, Starohnativka

    Dokuchajevsk horrible night - GRADs, artillery, incomings, outgoings, destruction in city centre. We returned to 2014-15.

    Maryinka - The night was dreadful. GRADs + heavy arms. Now quiet. 06.43AM

    Donetsk: Outgoing MLRS GRAD salvo
    pic.twitter.com/6gVn3Qaqb3
    https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/st...35333/video/1#
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2017/2-febru...rs-grad-salvo#
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    The term offensive is one of those misused words...if in Minsk 2 it states location X then UAF now has the power to either take X or to defend X.......

    While they are taking loses manpower wise they are chewing up Russian mercenary units and Russian commanders are also among those being killed...

    And a big difference...in previous strong mercenary ground attacks...UAF has often not returned fire in order to not be accused of breaking Minsk 2....

    Now they return fire immediately and strongly...
    Yet Kiev accepted the loss of Debaltsevo and other deviations from Minsk II for 2 years, before launching an offensive. Moscow has gone to great lengths to convince Kiev that it does not have a military solution.

    What happens when Russia takes punitive action? To my mind, this offensive was an attempt to keep the conflict front and center in EU and NATO thinking, but it seems to be a roll of the dice in the manner of Tbilisi.

    Moscow can claim an egregious violation of Minsk II and note that the Russian Air Force can pound the UA to death before any Javelins, TOWs or Patriots can be supplied and deployed. Russia may well decide that the loss of Kharkiv or Mariupol would suffice as a lesson. Did the "gray zone" incursion truly result in any strategic gains other than MSM attention?

    You do know that Russia is fighting with one hand behind its back, right? What happens when the other one comes out?

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    17:15 [#Yasynuvata?] @GirkinGirkin Outgoing heavy [artillery fire] from #Vasylivka, clearly visible flashes of salvos

    Ukrainian tanks very active today in #Avdiivka. All UAF artillery was active. On both sides. More death & destruction. War chewing up lives.
    T72s on the move......

    17:00 [#Avdiivka] @GirkinGirkin #Promzone: battle erupts again, heavy incoming [rounds]
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    This particular thesis has been mentioned twice before since 2014 invasion...there is actually something to this.....

    West’s Failure to Confront Putin on Olympics Convinced Him He Could Invade Ukraine without Penalty, Titov Says
    http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.com...putin-on.html#

    "Putin’s Bad #Ukraine Deal"
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/putins-...al-1486081750#
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    Azor....thought you might like this comment that came via Adviivka today......

    Journalists who write "creeping offensive" by Ukraine are spouting claptrap. Are we retaking Donetsk? No. So get your facts right. #Avdiivka

    "Avdiyivka is Ukrainian territory. Defending this town ... is not a provocation"
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    "Kremlin says it hopes pro-Russian Ukrainian rebels have enough ammunition"
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-uk...ldNews&rpc=69#

    Russian Hybrid Army tanks in #Makeevka today:
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    Czech ForMin: #Cyber attack on #Czech foreign ministry "resembles" attacks against "the Democratic Party in" US
    http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...sia-suspected#

    On @PowerVertical Podcast we go 'Beyond Hybrid War' and look at Russian military strategy
    http://www.rferl.org/a/podcast-beyon...28277545.html#

    Donetsk residents fear their forceful evacuation means “DNR” plans mass attack on#Avdiivka
    http://euromaidanpress.com/2017/02/0...-provocation/#
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    Take that,fascists!' Another Grad rocket give'n'take fr #Russia-held #Donetsk residential areas. #Avdiivka #Ukraine
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtSlkbTtlXs#

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    Since last week, 3 #NATO members (#Denmark, #Norway & Czech R.) report evidence of #cyber attacks from #Russia.

    Video report from #Avdiivka. Recorded yesterday.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x9JM4rWf5E

    #Russian terrorists continue to shell #Avdiivka randomly. 52 houses damaged, 2 civilians killed...
    https://www.facebook.com/reutski/pos...8808708671853#

    Tanks have entered Bulavin village between Vuhlehirsk and Yenakiieve, DNR held territory.

    Polk Kyiv commander Deydey in Avdeevka tells @ChristopherJM: "Our tanks are preparing for battle"
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    24 attacks of Russian forces today before 8am, 2 Ukrainian soldiers killed since midnight

    Russia instigating a flare-up of violence in east #Ukraine to nullify 2-year long Minsk-2 peace deal. Wants new deal
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-uk...idUSKBN15I289#

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    British photo #journalist @ChrisNunnPhoto hit by Russian-backed shelling in #Avdiivka, east. #Ukraine: 'I am alive'
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...a7561966.html#

    Heavy battles erupting in #Donetsk now, machine guns, artillery impacts

    Russian forces plotting offensive in Donbas - Ukrainian Intel
    https://www.unian.info/war/1758637-r...as-intel.html#

    Makeevka: 3 units of heavy tracked vehicles on the move, accompanied by traffic police

    Militants in Donetsk disperse civilians who try to stop them from shelling Avdiyivka – Tuka

    Kremlin propaganda masterminds to arrive in Donetsk shortly – MP Tymchuk
    https://www.unian.info/war/1758282-k...k.html#…
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    Massive cyber attacks against Norway's state and political institutions. Pattern as previous by Russia.
    http://www.tv2.no/a/8903847/?utm_sou...edium=twitter#

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    Shelling reports now from #Svitlodarsk_bulge, #Makeevka, #Popasna and east of #Mariupol

    Tonight's fighting is extremely heavy again.....literally everything but the kitchen sink is flying in the air tonight.....

    Apparently a lot of reinforcements for the Russian Hybrid Army arrived in #Donetsk:

    Sound of heavy battle in #Avdeevka can be heard in #Horlivka

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    Default Meanwhile a bridge is built

    Today The Daily Telegraph (UK) has a story on the building of a bridge between the Crimea and Russia; alas it is behind a 'premium' pay wall

    Link:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...bridge-crimea/
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