Quote Originally Posted by motorfirebox View Post
False. The financial shenanigans played by the financial sector could begin with any widely-replicated form of debt. You could do it with school loans. You're blaming the matches for burning down the house, when in reality the landlord stripped out the sprinkler system and fireproofing to sell for a quick buck--and left the renters to burn.

I honestly don't know what any of this has to do with torture, but the factual misrepresentations here are too much to ignore.
Pushed beyond your limits you were, sort of like Cincinnatus leaving his plow. Well maybe not exactly but I had to work a Latin word in here somehow.

Nope not false, true. Regardless of the things that were done, those loans were bad and the would not have been made if the gov hadn't forced them to be made. So that is it. Bad loans made under duress that eventually went bad. Some surprise that that led to trouble.

Note: regarding all the games that were played with those bad loans that the gov forced to be made-see Dayuhan's last paragraph in post 53.