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    Default Who's taking sides?

    I just want to know how these two points-of-view can be integrated. They certainly seem contradictory to me at first glance. It seems that a basic lesson of the Civil Rights movement was that sympathy and empathy were major components of change. I am trying to understand how this point of view would have advanced the Civil Rights movement:
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    I believe it is futile to try to understand an enemy from a different culture; the more different, the more futile... There is absolutely no need to try to get inside their heads and I believe that attempting to do so will only lead to great frustration and due to excessive simplification and / or inability to completely understand all the nuances of very complex human emotions and imperatives can actually cause harm.

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    Default Thus....

    you'll have to discern for yourself what is truth...

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    Default Minor point, Cody...

    Quote Originally Posted by bluegreencody View Post
    I just want to know how these two points-of-view can be integrated...
    Just to be certain the quote from me you provided is taken in context, from that same post of mine there was this:

    ""most of those times, the entire operation was fouled up partly due to said zeal overriding common sense, partly because we did not understand the major defining facets of the culture we were operating in, partly as a generic result of inadequate training and education precipitating strategic, operational and really dumb tactical errors -- and once we were there partly because people expended a lot of angst over the minutia of cultural differences that they were never going to really understand -- and did not need to...
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    Adequate cultural knowledge is not simple but it is easy, just recall everything learned in Kindergarten and apply common sense, read a bit, ask sensible questions and learn and heed the big issues -- realizing that one cannot ever answer some questions and does not need to do so."
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    Just to clarify, all those comments apply to conventional military forces in combat in an alien culture. Note I said conventional -- those comments do NOT apply to forces, military or otherwise, that seek to bond with alien cultures for various reasons. In other words, in the US context, my comment applies to combat units such as Infantry or other Battalions and Cavalry Squadrons reasonably correctly employed for the mission, they do not apply to Special Forces, Civil Affairs, PsyOps and the like.

    Most importantly, there is absolutely no correlation of the point of view I expressed with the US Civil rights movement. None.

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    Default Choose Your words Carefully: Language to Fight Islamic Terrorism

    Great essay on how we need to improve some of the terminology we use with the Muslim world.

    IO Sphere, Fall 06: Choosing Words Carefully: Language to Help Fight Islamic Terrorism
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