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Old 07-20-2010   #41
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How about the picture of Che on the morgue slab it was published in a lot of papers back in the day.
Hell, toss in a pic of Prabhakaran on his slab as a bookend to that one.
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(and will most likely remain so until Wilf can impose his war dictatorship that only allows major state-on-state refereed events....).
Actually the opposite. I'm a Small Wars guy!
Big Wars are extremely scary and dangerous and require actual expertise. You have to be able to command, do logistics and move large numbers of men.

Small Wars has none of that, and they are rarely strategically decisive. I'd rather be crushing rebellions than fighting for anything that actually mattered, against anyone who was actually any good!
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Rambo: First Blood Part II - The Musical (You Not Expendable)

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Rand Held its COIN Symposium in 1962 could do a round table with Stephen Hosmer facilitating these honorable gentlemen:

Charles T.R. Bohannan, Lieutenant Colonel, AUS-Ret.
Wendell W. Fertig, Colonel, USA-Ret.
David Galula, Lieutenant Colonel (French Marine Corps)
Anthony S. Jeapes, Captain (British Army)
Frank E. Kitson, MBE, MC, Lieutenant Colonel (British Army)
Edward Geary Lansdale, Brigadier General, USAF
Rufus C. Phillips, III
David Leonard Powell-Jones, DSO, OBEY Brigadier General
(British Army)
John R. Shirley, OBE, Colonel (British Army-Ret.)
Napoleon D. Valeriano, Colonel (formerly with the Armed Forces
of the Philippines)
John F. White, Colonel (Royal Australian Army)
Samuel V. Wilson, Lieutenant Colonel, USA
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Rand Held its COIN Symposium in 1962 could do a round table with Stephen Hosmer facilitating these honorable gentlemen: ...
They skipped Sir Robert Thompson!
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Rand Held its COIN Symposium in 1962 could do a round table with Stephen Hosmer facilitating these honorable gentlemen:

Charles T.R. Bohannan, Lieutenant Colonel, AUS-Ret.
Wendell W. Fertig, Colonel, USA-Ret.
David Galula, Lieutenant Colonel (French Marine Corps)
Anthony S. Jeapes, Captain (British Army)
Frank E. Kitson, MBE, MC, Lieutenant Colonel (British Army)
Edward Geary Lansdale, Brigadier General, USAF
Rufus C. Phillips, III
David Leonard Powell-Jones, DSO, OBEY Brigadier General
(British Army)
John R. Shirley, OBE, Colonel (British Army-Ret.)
Napoleon D. Valeriano, Colonel (formerly with the Armed Forces
of the Philippines)
John F. White, Colonel (Royal Australian Army)
Samuel V. Wilson, Lieutenant Colonel, USA
Here's the link to the document. The file is rather large, but well worth the read for anyone that wants to be a serious practisioner. As with all Rand products, make sure you click the free download button and not the "pay to play" button.

http://www.rand.org/pubs/reports/R412-1/
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They skipped Sir Robert Thompson!
I think he was deployed to Vietnam during the symposium.
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Here's the link to the document. The file is rather large, but well worth the read for anyone that wants to be a serious practisioner. As with all Rand products, make sure you click the free download button and not the "pay to play" button.
Thanks for that link! That's one hell of a meeting of minds...
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Thanks for that link! That's one hell of a meeting of minds...
I just wished that we had transcripts of the private conversations that they had at night at the bars.
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Nicotine
Caffeine
Alcohol

Burlap sacks

Sir Robert Peele

Aldo the Apache

Custer

That damned link/ circle powerpoint descibing COIN

Doctrinal terms on an airport display which change arbitrarily
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Doctrinal terms on an airport display which change arbitrarily
Which doctrinal terms are currently in vogue, and which ones are out?
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Nicotine
Caffeine
Alcohol

Burlap sacks

Sir Robert Peele

Aldo the Apache

Custer

That damned link/ circle powerpoint descibing COIN

Doctrinal terms on an airport display which change arbitrarily
Given the time period, I think that you forgot discussions of comparing/contrasting women of ill-repute in various conflict zones.
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Nicotine

Custer
He'd be a good example of a small wars failure...
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I guess as good of definition as any is that a small war is one where the populace at home has no real stake as to if the conflict is won or lost, and goes on about its life with business as usual before, during and after; win, lose or draw. Sadly, we can all draw dozens of images of how to picture that.
Good one - the image for "small wars" could be a soldier fighting in a ditch somewhere with the image of the nation behind him, watching TV or shopping at the mall.
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Point taken about Che...
But I suppose that the illustration is about counterinsurgents, not insurgents...So I retract my suggestion about Giap. Otherwise the illustration would have to include Mao, Sandino, Aguinaldo, OBL, etc.
I don't know...many service members have an affinity for T.E. Lawrence, and he was definitely the insurgent.
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Default failures count too (custer)

another success

Von Steuben

Geronimo

BOS is out Warfightin Function in
my knowledge is too limited to keep up
Lotsa buzzwords of course

PPT
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Geronimo was of limited utility, though like Che he's good on t-shirts....

Of the NA leadership, Red Cloud would be a good choice, as would Cochise or Mangas Coloradas. There's also a slew of Eastern tribes who could toss up some significant leaders.
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Geronimo as a figurehead for an essentially leaderless organization would be good on Tshirts but the decentralized org is the essential part to SWJ crossroads. Starfish
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Geronimo as a figurehead for an essentially leaderless organization would be good on Tshirts but the decentralized org is the essential part to SWJ crossroads. Starfish
I get that, but Geronimo was actually disliked by many he was supposedly leading and was overall a much less effective leader than Juh, for example. And he doesn't come close to either Cochise or Mangas.

NA tribal groups in general, and the Apache in particular, are better thought of as very loose clan alliances than any sort of decentralized organization (especially during the 1800s).
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I am definitely not the expert there. I think we agree but are not very agreeable a least I am not lol
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