Ukraine (closed; covers till August 2014)

**mirhond** · 07-12-2014

Originally Posted by Ulenspiegel

The NG problem, i.e. the theft of NG by Ukraine or better Ukranian and Russian oligarchs is solved around 2018, when enough additional pipeline capacity, that does not touch Ukraine and Poland, is available for Russia.

Therefore, the support of the Russians in respect to the gas war is not relevant argument, has no substance.

The shift of power from Ukraine to Russia would have happened anyway around 2018. The Ukrainian business model was expected to die.

Firstly, It's still 2014, as far as I know, secondly, neglecting popular support is not a relevant course of action for polititian like Putin.

**kaur** · 07-12-2014

Unbelivable how Russian tank factory's blogger explains sitation to his readers. Workers of this factory went once to Moscow to protect Putin from orange revolution. Brigadier of one of the depatments became representative of huge Ural admisistrative region. There is no doubt, that somebody is covering his ass.

Sorry for Google translate, hope you'll get the point

Moreover, please look at the situation with unrecognized East Ukrainian republics (the actual area) with the other hand. Let's compare what is happening in Ukraine, with what happened in Russia in 1994-2000,. I'm talking about Chechnya!
93god 1991 - Russia's political crisis, the Emergency Committee, Parliament shot - why not Maidan? Only more global scale. The analogy is appropriate in any case.
####October 27, 1991 Dudayev was elected (!) President of the Chechen Republic. Parliamentary elections were held simultaneously Chechen Republic. His first decree of November 1, 1991 Dudayev declared independence Chechen Republic of Ichkeria from the RSFSR, which was not recognized by any Russian authorities, nor any foreign countries. Is not it - the situation with both 1x1 Novorussia? The Congress of People's Deputies formally pleaded not this election, as they have been in violation of applicable laws. Again 1x1 as now in Ukraine. Kiev legally (!) Elected government does not recognize the referendum Donbass, and probably rightly so. Some have questioned the legitimacy of elections Poroshenko under the pretext that the south-east in the election did not participate. And Chechnya took part in the election of Yeltsin in 1996 and Putin's 2000th? No! All exactly the same as it is now in the Ukraine! But somehow we, Russians, and patriots in particular, almost unanimously supported Putin in his call "Drown in the toilet" Chechen separatist terrorists and Poroshenko exactly the same as we call a fascist and compare with Hitler. With a frightened, exactly? Poroshenko - legally elected president of an independent state, and he is obliged to take all necessary measures to preserve the integrity of their country. Let us remember how Putin "Pinocchio" Komsomolsk burned. Why him for it no one calls a war criminal and no one threatens him with a new Nuremberg unlike Poroshenko? Or what's the difference between Raduev and light, well, if, of course, abandon our Great Russian nationalist prejudices? In practice it turns out that no! Do not try anyone of anything and nothing to convince approve. Just ask think to include brains, and remove the ears propaganda noodles, which we now actively hang on both conflicting parties.

http://gurkhan.blogspot.be/2014/07/blog-post_12.html

Plan B seems to be frozen conflict scenario. Russia feels very comfortable in those sitations.