The New Militias

[Bill Moore]

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Either by accident or planned Bill has placed his finger on something I just keep posting and posting and posting.....

America has the ability "to drift into fascism with a smile" what you saw with this single event was the tip of the iceberg and it has been drifting just under the surface since Oklahoma City...

While we as a nation get literally all worked up about jihadists we have failed to see that we have among us "white jihadists" who are supported by an ideology most of us would think crazy. From black copters to federal surveillance of everything we do to hating of IRS....and the list goes on....

Why do we after every single US jihadist attack think we have a network behind it AND then somehow sweep the McVeigh Oklahoma City attack under the rug as the work of two lone wolves.....

A 4000 lb chemical bomb using fertilizer and diesel fuel has to be mixed by hand so these two guys just mixed and mixed and mixed and yet no one saw it happen....

So as in the Sunni jihadi world no one made the bomb and then simply delivered it....?

We as a nation never really fully demanded a complete and thorough investigation into the attack...why....no one wanted to place any belief into a possible right wing side being potentially involved even though concrete leads were apparent....we were "sold" the story..we have captured all participants...BUT we demanded a Congressional investigation in 9/11 and Benghazi but never did for OC......

There was also an underlining thought why it did not go further...."Americans could not possible kill other Americans"....BUT in the world of terrorism the ultra right attacks objects that stand in the place of the "government" and OC was just such a target....

Secondly, these armed militia elements literally took off with the election of Obama....check the yearly FBI stats...and it ties into the last eight years of "Obama is going to take your guns away from you mantra"....BTW did we not see than same mantra used by Trump at virtually all of his rallies and did he not once "allude" to using the 2nd Amendment to resolve the Clinton problem????

Actually this movement has been with us since 1970...it developed out of the "blacks are going to revolt and we need to defend ourselves" which grew out of the "blacks are getting more benefits from the government than do whites" which came out the Johnson anti poverty campaign...and civil rights era....

THEN we can jump forward to the Trump campaign that unleased a massive barrage of ethnic profiling and allowed the US ultra right fringe groups to gain "creditability" ie white nationalists and white surpremacists....who did in fact support Trump and believe that support allows them the right to do what they want...against anyone non white...

See Portland this week with the killing of two men who intervened in a white surpremacist verbal attacks on two Muslim females...and whose twitter account beams with praise for the KKK, US Nazi Party and Trump....

What is not being mentioned is .....check the racial and ethnic make up of the group involved all white....and I am betting all Trump voters....

Notice many outside of this area and not into cattle and farming do not realize the vast amounts of land the federal government has under its control...BUT WAIT gazing on this federal lands is actually far cheaper than having to purchase grazing land in those areas and the federal yearly grazing costs are cheap....and there was an outrage when they were raised last year which was a normal process...it has always for this ranching and farming group just been considered a cost of production and a cheap cost at that.

We can debate who actually owns all of this land and some Native Americans might like to reclaim it....as it was taken from them to begin with under various US government so called peace treaties...but that is another story.

Protecting an endangered species is not a subject this group ever wants to hear....but when asked if they realize the extent the government goes through to protect them on federal property they might be surprised....

If they would see a US Army Abrams on the full top speed barrelling across the NTC come to total stop because a desert turtle was just spotted and then having to wait for a turtle recovery team to arrive...they might have another opinion....

OR the time the NTC spent 2M USDs on a study to determine if they could move several turtle groups to a new area and discovered that it is not that easy after all 24 turtles decided to meander back to their original areas after being moved ever so gently 24 miles to a new location...and they all had GPS.

OR when Ft. Bragg shuts down firing ranges because a of protected woodpecker.....

Turtles are just an excuse to stand up to the "government" and these militias are now a serious growing threat to the government...and why...driven by social media....

By the way these militias if one really researches them stem from the US wide KKK political movement of the late 20s early 30s that the FBI shut down as it was seen as a right wing white surpremacist threat to the government...and then if one digs deeper into the Reconstruction Era of US history...

But again a serious thread that should be pushed and followed up on as this problem is only going to grow...

I have every intention of expanding this discussion to include the full spectrum of extremism, from the far left to the far right. Islamic extremism gets enough bandwidth, it's real, it's serious, but it also blinds us to other threats, perhaps greater threats to our way of life.

While Outlaw focuses solely on right wing extremism, I'll use an excerpt from another of Outlaw's post to address what is perhaps the real effort.

Yuri Bezmenov: Ideological subversion is the process which is legitimate, overt and open. You can see it with your own eyes. All you have to do -- all American mass media has to do -- is to unplug their bananas from their ears, open up their eyes and they can see it. There is no mystery. There is nothing to do with espionage

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Subversion in its own way is an act of war, and while some will debate that, it is certainly a form of warfare. A very effective one for undermining democratic forms of government where freedom of speech is a principle we hold dearly. The USSR correctly identified our so-called institutions of higher education as a decisive point. If they could gradually subvert the universities and turn them into unwitting or witting cheerleaders for communism, this intellectual malaise over generations would weaken our government and society, eroding our will to defend our values and question our historical narrative. It certainly worked in Berkley and other institutions where free speech is oppressed and group think is encouraged. It doesn't matter that university graduates cannot defend their positions with logic, the important thing is that they conform to group think. Now we're seeing mass mobilization of the left to oppose any views that opposes their group think. I'll post numerous examples when I have more time.

However, most notable to small wars, is the perversion of revisionist history with the subtle undermining of U.S. principles and values via flawed discussions of legitimacy. Even a modicum of knowledge regarding Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Ho, and others would reveal they did not have wide appeal, each took advantage of political and security conditions to impose their will through a combination of propaganda and a campaign of mass murder to anyone that opposed their views, or that could oppose their views.

Moving back to the right wing extremism, much of this is a reaction to the left wing extremism and the weakening of the middle. Without some sort of intervention by respected voices of reason I can only see the divide getting worse. The moderates who ran for President in the primaries were quickly side lined, so I think the voice of reason will have to come from outside politics. A modern Martin Luther King if you will, but I don't see one on the horizon.

[OUTLAW 09]

I have every intention of expanding this discussion to include the full spectrum of extremism, from the far left to the far right. Islamic extremism gets enough bandwidth, it's real, it's serious, but it also blinds us to other threats, perhaps greater threats to our way of life.

While Outlaw focuses solely on right wing extremism, I'll use an excerpt from another of Outlaw's post to address what is perhaps the real effort.

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Subversion in its own way is an act of war, and while some will debate that, it is certainly a form of warfare. A very effective one for undermining democratic forms of government where freedom of speech is a principle we hold dearly. The USSR correctly identified our so-called institutions of higher education as a decisive point. If they could gradually subvert the universities and turn them into unwitting or witting cheerleaders for communism, this intellectual malaise over generations would weaken our government and society, eroding our will to defend our values and question our historical narrative. It certainly worked in Berkley and other institutions where free speech is oppressed and group think is encouraged. It doesn't matter that university graduates cannot defend their positions with logic, the important thing is that they conform to group think. Now we're seeing mass mobilization of the left to oppose any views that opposes their group think. I'll post numerous examples when I have more time.

However, most notable to small wars, is the perversion of revisionist history with the subtle undermining of U.S. principles and values via flawed discussions of legitimacy. Even a modicum of knowledge regarding Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Ho, and others would reveal they did not have wide appeal, each took advantage of political and security conditions to impose their will through a combination of propaganda and a campaign of mass murder to anyone that opposed their views, or that could oppose their views.

Moving back to the right wing extremism, much of this is a reaction to the left wing extremism and the weakening of the middle. Without some sort of intervention by respected voices of reason I can only see the divide getting worse. The moderates who ran for President in the primaries were quickly side lined, so I think the voice of reason will have to come from outside politics. A modern Martin Luther King if you will, but I don't see one on the horizon.

Bill..fully agree.... I focus on the far right as they are the more serious armed threat....that does not for a moment excuse the left and far left who has supported Putin in eastern Ukraine and the craziness around the US election....

Putin plays both groups...and they do not even see they are being played....

BTW this does not excuse Bennie Sanders who was misled by a Russian bot network on the social media side to stay in the race to the bitter end and Jill Steins who in my eyes played a far greater roll in delivering the swing states for Trump and who sat next to Flynn in Moscow on the same table as Putin....

This could actually be a great thread to explain a lot of what is ongoing right now....especially on the social media side where Russian trolls and botnets are heavily intertwined with US right and far right social media sites and left and ultra left social media sites....

But I see a far more looming danger..the sheer uncontrolled flow of black money out of Russia into the US leading to corruption and what we are now seeing with say the Trump son-in-law....

It is a flow most Americans can not even begin to comprehend...

BTW..it is also a problem with our current political parties..especially now a Republican Party that is placing their jobs and cutting taxes for the rich and destroying any form of healthcare over their care for the nation state system called democracy....

.@mollyesque spent her week talking to Republicans on the Hill. The quotes here are unbelievable:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...28426/#…

Disappointing to see lawmakers are more concerned about Trump's negative impact on their own job than his negative impact on the country

[OUTLAW 09]

Bill..fully agree.... I focus on the far right as they are the more serious armed threat....that does not for a moment excuse the left and far left who has supported Putin in eastern Ukraine and the craziness around the US election....

Putin plays both groups...and they do not even see they are being played....

BTW this does not excuse Bennie Sanders who was misled by a Russian bot network on the social media side to stay in the race to the bitter end and Jill Steins who in my eyes played a far greater roll in delivering the swing states for Trump and who sat next to Flynn in Moscow on the same table as Putin....

This could actually be a great thread to explain a lot of what is ongoing right now....especially on the social media side where Russian trolls and botnets are heavily intertwined with US right and far right social media sites and left and ultra left social media sites....

But I see a far more looming danger..the sheer uncontrolled flow of black money out of Russia into the US leading to corruption and what we are now seeing with say the Trump son-in-law....

It is a flow most Americans can not even begin to comprehend...

BTW..it is also a problem with our current political parties..especially now a Republican Party that is placing their jobs and cutting taxes for the rich and destroying any form of healthcare over their care for the nation state system called democracy....

.@mollyesque spent her week talking to Republicans on the Hill. The quotes here are unbelievable:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...28426/#…

Disappointing to see lawmakers are more concerned about Trump's negative impact on their own job than his negative impact on the country

Bill..this goes to the intertwining of the left...Putin and Trump....

Remember Stein never fully answered reporter questions on how much she got for her Russia Today dinner party.....and her sharing the main table with Flynn and Putin....we now know Flynn got 58K USDs and a free flight and hotel

Stein votes/Trump margin:
MI: 51,463/10,704
PA: 49,678/46,765
WI: 31,006/22,177
Thus Electoral College win....