Ukraine: military (Aug '14 to mid-June '15) closed

[OUTLAW 09]

The UK Independent reported this morning of a secret Putin/Merkel peace plan for the Ukraine---"gas for land" ie the Crimea remains Russian with Russia paying billions for lost Ukrainian Black Sea Fleet rents and the Ukraine gets a long term lower gas price for their economy.

Was also released this morning in the German der Spiegel online.

Both the Independent and der Spiegel could get no responses from the Russians, Germans, and the British FMs on the article which is interesting as one would think that denials would be forth coming if not true.

Plan would be hard for the US/UK to accept as they have gone on record as stating that the Crimea will always remain Ukrainian and there has been no response out of Kiev on the article.

http://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/...d_4028632.html

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An interesting comment from one of Putin's trusted media commenters. what is really interesting is that over the last few days more and more comments pop up around the net from "Russian commenters" indicating that well maybe it was a mistaken identity of the aircraft by the irregulars that led to the downing thus if a mistake then they are not "terrorists". That messaging was even voice Monday by the Russian UN Ambassador.

An interesting flip of the terms. Terrorists before but if a mistake then not terrorists?


“Putin’s favorite journalist,” Andrey Kolesnikov from Kommersant is broadcasting a very interesting thing. He is broadcasting, and not expressing his own opinion, the text makes it obvious.

http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/07/3...downed-boeing/


It is not excluded that the Russian president, not trusting anyone fully, does not want to receive another information channel – counting on the “black box” decryption to be controlled by a big number of specialists from various countries, and that in reality this situations is not one in which the Brits may hide something or even intend to do so.

And if in the end at some moment we do find out that the rebels have had something to do with it, it will radically change the attitude towards them. Even if it turns out that it was by pure accident…

Children, adults too, and the elderly who have died for nothing are the red line he cannot cross, nonetheless. Covering for those who did it, knowing that they were the ones responsible… No, he will not burden his soul with such a sin. It is not worth it.

But in order not to cross it, he has to now who did it. It seems he has received all the information he could have from his sources. Now he would like to get information from others. And of course, not SSU workers – everything is already crystal clear about them.

If, I repeat, it turns out, the resistance fighters really did not know that the Boeing was taken down before the plane parts and bodies of the victims started raining down on them – then the policy of the relations with the fighters of the resistance will be reexamined forever.

Yes, Vladimir Putin will refuse to work with them.

[davidbfpo]

Cited in part:

The UK Independent reported this morning of a secret Putin/Merkel peace plan for the Ukraine---"gas for land" ie the Crimea remains Russian with Russia paying billions for lost Ukrainian Black Sea Fleet rents and the Ukraine gets a long term lower gas price for their economy.

Link:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-9638764.html

Outlaw09,

I find this story odd, first though this was a deal:

However, these attempts by Ms Merkel to act as a broker between President Putin and the Ukraine’s President, Petro Poroshenko, were put on the back-burner following the shooting down of the MH17 plane in eastern Ukraine.

Does the fact that The Independent is owned by Alexander Lebedev, a Russian oligarch in exile in London a factor? He also owns the London Evening Standard, which is a free evening paper.

Wiki seems to think it is:

The paper originally described itself as "free from party political bias, free from proprietorial influence"—a banner it carried on the front page of its daily edition. This banner was dropped in September 2011.

Link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Independent

[JMA]

Onlookers should see this as a test of ethical journalism for the editorial staff of The Independent and it 31 year old Editor.

Newspaper staff seldom meet the standards they set for others.

Cited in part:

Link:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-9638764.html

Outlaw09,

I find this story odd, first though this was a deal:

Does the fact that The Independent is owned by Alexander Lebedev, a Russian oligarch in exile in London a factor? He also owns the London Evening Standard, which is a free evening paper.

Wiki seems to think it is:

Link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Independent

[OUTLAW 09]

Looks like the FSB/GRU really does have to teach young Russian soldiers to not use social media.

Since it seems the FSB cannot do it---the Duma is now trying to stop social media posting by Russian soldiers.

"A Communist Party deputy is reportedly preparing legislation that would ban soldiers from posting photos and videos on social networks that revealed military equipment or positions."----This alone confirms that all postings are in fact valid postings and geo locations.

This Russian soldier uploaded photos of himself being in both Russia and the Ukraine and basically crossing back and forth----photos were geo tagged and indicated he was inside the Ukraine when he uploaded them.

Claims to be a commo specialist in a APC but mentioned the Buk. So was he the comms dude for the Buk? The SBU did mention they had a voice intercept of a Russian inside the Buk.

Article indicates that he took a beating from Russian commenters for his stupidity of uploading the information.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ls-border.html

Second article referencing and expanding the first article.

http://www.businessinsider.com/russi...ukraine-2014-7

Another either active or former Russian soldier fighting in the Ukraine posts on social media.

http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/07/3...ictims-online/

[OUTLAW 09]

Cited in part:

Link:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-9638764.html

Outlaw09,

I find this story odd, first though this was a deal:

Does the fact that The Independent is owned by Alexander Lebedev, a Russian oligarch in exile in London a factor? He also owns the London Evening Standard, which is a free evening paper.

Wiki seems to think it is:

Link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Independent

David--second thought could be he was testing the waters since he is tied to the oligarchs and they are voicing although unnamed recently their critique of Putin driving Russia into isolation.

Thirdly if that was the case then it was discussed.

Surprisingly there has been virtually no further mention of it in der Spiegel which means the Germans are trying to let it die without comment---the same for die Zeit.

[OUTLAW 09]

Seems like more Russian personnel and armored vehicles arrived into the Ukraine in the past few days---50 vehicle of mixed MRLs, APCs and artillery alone in this convoy.

Video is part of the article.

http://maidantranslations.com/2014/0...e-from-russia/