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    Appears the "locals" seem to be getting fed up with their mercenary government now they are conducting "flash demos".

    Zaharchenko tries to pacify protesting anti-war crowd not very successful https://youtu.be/TkDWt_oAk64

    Donetsk: #Zakharchenko can not calm the residents. Some people begin to disperse, others provide further questions. https://twitter.com/aa_borodulin/sta...94528084828160 …

    Zaharchenko promises the residents of Oktyabrsky, whose homes have been destroyed, a safe place to stay. #Doentsk pic.twitter.com/wsJJsGsGQB

    People in Donetsk stage a peace protest. For the first time since the war began https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/06/15...astern-ukraine …

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    Local residents call out:'Stop the war' 'Give our destroyed housing back' 'Away with you all'


    novayagazeta.ru/news/1694493.html … About 500 people turn out for anti-war protest in Donetsk. Zakharchenko addresses the crowd, who yell & interrupt him
    Donetsk resident in flash rally against DNR's use of residential quarters as shelling launch-sites; "get out of here" http://www.novayagazeta.ru/news/1694493.html …

    Protesters in Donetsk say terrorists shell from residential areas and these are hit in response: http://www.novayagazeta.ru/news/1694493.html …

    That's what I've said about, they demand to 'fling back UKR arty' according to Lifenews https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B12Y...ature=youtu.be …

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    Appears that Russia is now formally admitting it is hurting or they would not been evidently trying a trial balloon like this—Russia is having a hard time getting the Ukrainians attention—they are weathering the shelling and ground attacks, have basically blockaded the mercenaries in a corner and are getting financial help from the West—they are in no hurry to do deals with Russia and in the meantime Russia is struggling to financially support their mercenaries and the daily war costs for the military deployment are pushing 30M USD a day.

    top.rbc.ru/politics/15/06/2015/557ea3169a7947375ffa6b5c … Media reports that Moscow has sent a secret peace proposal, though a source says leadership in Kiev must change 1st.

    Kremlin's terms for #Minsk3: DPR/LPR (ie Russia) to control entire territory of Donbas region?! https://translate.google.ie/translat...k-3&edit-text= … via @JoergForbrig

    Moscow's next trap for Kyiv? @vesti reports Minsk 3 proposal to include autonomy for full Luhansk/Donetsk oblasts, amnesty for rebels......creation of national militia, gov't reshuffle or snap election in Kyiv http://vesti-ukr.com/donbass/103515-...tovili-minsk-3

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    Russian troops and her mercenaries and their heavy weapons are on the move.

    Tymchuk: Ukrainian armed forces have recorded 20 trucks with a pontoon bridge system to south of Luhansk http://www.unian.info/war/1089411-ty...ebaltseve.html …

    Tymchuk: 14 Jun Russian forces also moved 3x 9K35 Strela-10 short-range SAM systems between the village of Sadove and the town of Khartsyzk

    Tymchuk: On 14 June Russian forces redeployed 2x TOR SAM systems through Shakhtarsk (+ 2x BTR-80 amphibious APCs and 3x KAMAZ trucks)

    Tymchuk: On 14 June Russian forces deployed 450-500 troops + 6x 2S1 Gvozdika SPGs + 5 D-30 howitzers near Horlivka http://www.unian.info/war/1089411-ty...ebaltseve.html …

    Tymchuk: Russian forces forward deploy 1000+ troops and many 122/152mm artillery units to Horlivka and Debaltseve http://www.unian.info/war/1089411-ty...ebaltseve.html …

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    DNR and LNR is called zone T1 & T2 in Russia government
    via @InfoResist And someone still believes in Novorossia

    Seems some Russian officials just cannot let go of the past---moderator on Russian TV
    "We lost the country in 1991. Now we recovering....returned Crimea, and finally the battle with the West!" - Prohanov at #NTV.


    After #Ukraine hit Givi's ammo store Russia's DNR troops shelled RESIDENTIAL areas in #Donetsk
    http://podrobnosti.ua/2040696-pod-do...ikov-givi.html … pic.twitter.com/J2qOw5FRp2

    Rostov-on-Don in #Russia, close to Ukraine, with 5000 new no-name graves pic.twitter.com/flZWSi0Ukf

    Russian MoD: Moscow will boost forces on Western flank should US store heavy arms in Baltic states and eastern Europe http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/a...cs/523613.html

    Fighting intensifies in the #Donbas. #Russia forces attacking with heavy artillery:
    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/06/1...in-the-donbas/ … pic.twitter.com/YxRWkir2ya

    Minsk dies one more time - Zakharchenko: the DNR is an independent state, will "never be part of Ukraine": http://ria.ru/world/20150615/1070093401.html

    @LUGANSK_TODAY
    Ghost Army in #Ukraine. Identified soldiers who captured Council of Ministers of Crimea http://lugansk-news.com/putin-ghost-...ers-of-crimea/ … pic.twitter.com/VWtElkbgxF

    Image of the situation in East #Ukraine #Russia(n) forces spreading like a cancer in #Donbas pic.twitter.com/QEYOo1wfJO
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Appears that Russia is now formally admitting it is hurting or they would not been evidently trying a trial balloon like this—Russia is having a hard time getting the Ukrainians attention—they are weathering the shelling and ground attacks, have basically blockaded the mercenaries in a corner and are getting financial help from the West—they are in no hurry to do deals with Russia and in the meantime Russia is struggling to financially support their mercenaries and the daily war costs for the military deployment are pushing 30M USD a day.

    top.rbc.ru/politics/15/06/2015/557ea3169a7947375ffa6b5c … Media reports that Moscow has sent a secret peace proposal, though a source says leadership in Kiev must change 1st.

    Kremlin's terms for #Minsk3: DPR/LPR (ie Russia) to control entire territory of Donbas region?! https://translate.google.ie/translat...k-3&edit-text= … via @JoergForbrig

    Moscow's next trap for Kyiv? @vesti reports Minsk 3 proposal to include autonomy for full Luhansk/Donetsk oblasts, amnesty for rebels......creation of national militia, gov't reshuffle or snap election in Kyiv http://vesti-ukr.com/donbass/103515-...tovili-minsk-3 …
    Well that trial balloon did not last long----went over like a "lead balloon it seems"

    RBC: The Kremlin has denied reports about offering a "compromise" on Donbass to Kiev. https://twitter.com/ru_rbc/status/610404062798942208 …

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Appears the "locals" seem to be getting fed up with their mercenary government now they are conducting "flash demos".

    Zaharchenko tries to pacify protesting anti-war crowd not very successful https://youtu.be/TkDWt_oAk64

    Donetsk: #Zakharchenko can not calm the residents. Some people begin to disperse, others provide further questions. https://twitter.com/aa_borodulin/sta...94528084828160 …

    Zaharchenko promises the residents of Oktyabrsky, whose homes have been destroyed, a safe place to stay. #Doentsk pic.twitter.com/wsJJsGsGQB

    People in Donetsk stage a peace protest. For the first time since the war began https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/06/15...astern-ukraine …

    Quote:
    Local residents call out:'Stop the war' 'Give our destroyed housing back' 'Away with you all'


    novayagazeta.ru/news/1694493.html … About 500 people turn out for anti-war protest in Donetsk. Zakharchenko addresses the crowd, who yell & interrupt him
    Donetsk resident in flash rally against DNR's use of residential quarters as shelling launch-sites; "get out of here" http://www.novayagazeta.ru/news/1694493.html …

    Protesters in Donetsk say terrorists shell from residential areas and these are hit in response: http://www.novayagazeta.ru/news/1694493.html …

    That's what I've said about, they demand to 'fling back UKR arty' according to Lifenews https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B12Y...ature=youtu.be …
    More commenting on this topic----

    youtube.com/watch?v=9GmN7HHo2VY … Surprise! #Donetsk's #Russia-picked #Zakharchenko cornered by war-ravaged locals. pic.twitter.com/cxNZ5irXTB
    Looks like Donetsk's already famous "anti-war" rally also featured people calling to push back Ukrainian troops.

    Anti-war rally in #Donetsk (unclear who organized)
    Zakharchenko: What's your name?
    Lady: No way! So that I get shot?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkDW...ature=youtu.be …

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    It is interesting to see how the American “Left” is positioning itself over the Ukraine.

    Even though this writer is American—he words and arguments are largely the same ones being used by Russian propaganda.

    It also appears that the American “Left” still is roaming the world in search of something that does not exist and fell apart in 1991.

    Russian propaganda 4Ds--dismiss, distract, distort, dismay ---all designed to create 2Ds--distrust and doubt.

    http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/...agreement-dead

    Kiev Pronounces Minsk Agreement Dead
    June 14th, 2015

    by Stephen Lendman

    It was dead on arrival like the two previous 2014 ceasefire agreements - not worth the paper they were written on despite Russia and Donbass freedom fighters fully observing them.

    The Kiev Post is a junta regime house organ. Its reports are virtual press releases. Independent journalism is banned in Ukraine.

    Regime approved views alone are permitted. Violators risk harassment, arrests, imprisonment or death.

    On June 5, the Kiev Post headlined Minsk is Dead: Now What?"

    The broadsheet turned truth on its head claiming a nonexistent "Russia(n) renewed military offensive in eastern Ukraine provides the latest evidence that the Kremlin violates the Minsk II peace agreement at will."

    Fact: No so-called "Russian aggression" exists - not now or earlier. Claims otherwise are Big Lies.

    Fact: The whole world knows Kiev and Washington bear full responsibility for naked aggression on Donbass. It continues daily.

    The Kiev Post called prospects for peace dim. It failed to explain why. It lied claiming "Russian-separatist forces launched a renewed assault on…Maryinka."

    Kiev and Washington bear full responsibility for all acts of aggression on Donbass. Self-defense forces respond only in self-defense as international law allows.

    Illegitimate Kiev prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk lied claiming Russia "order(ed) its terrorists" to attack Ukrainian forces. Truth is polar opposite - what Western leaders and echo chamber media refuse to acknowledge despite clear irrefutable evidence.

    The rest of the Kiev Post's report was full of rubbish blaming Donbass freedom fighters for blatant junta crimes.

    On June 11, Russia's Foreign Ministry accused Washington of destabilizing Ukraine in a statement saying:

    "Unlike Russia, the United States not only fails to make any real efforts to resolve the crisis in Ukraine and prevent a humanitarian catastrophe in the (eastern) Luhansk and Donetsk regions, but in fact it spurs the current authorities in Kiev to continue the fratricidal civil conflict."

    On June 10, Kiev for the first time claimed Russia occupies Donbass (the so-called Anti-Terrorist Zone). A letter signed by its illegitimate foreign minister Pavlo Klimkin states:

    "Taking into account the aggression of the Russian Federation against Ukraine, which took place with the participation of regular (units) of the Armed Forces of the RF and the illegal armed formations, which are directed, ruled and financed by the Russian Federation, an anti-terrorist operation is being carried out…"

    "The Russian Federation, which in fact occupied separate territories of the Donetsk and Lugansk Regions and carries out management of them, bears full responsibility for the provision and protection of human rights in these territories in accordance with the international humanitarian legislation and internationally established human rights."

    Kiev blames Russia for its own high crimes. It outrageous accused Moscow of seizing control of 169 Ukrainian municipalities.

    On June 10, Tass reported Ukraine intending to impose a complete food, transport and financial blockade on Donbass based on pending legislation, according to Ukrainian Choice public movement leader Viktor Medvedchuk.

    This means Donbass residents "will be left by the state to their devices," he explained. Kiev "is not even trying to launch the negotiation process with the Donetsk and Lugansk republics."

    Meanwhile, Russians overwhelmingly support Putin. Recent Pew Research poll numbers showed his approval rating reached 88%.

    His Ukraine policy has 83% popular support. Relations with China are supported by 90% of Russians, and his US agenda got an 85% approval rating.
    Stephen Lendman lives in Chicago and can be reached at lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net.

    His new book as editor and contributor is titled "Flashpoint in Ukraine: How the US Drive for Hegemony Risks World War III".

    http://www.claritypress.com/LendmanIII.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    More commenting on this topic----

    youtube.com/watch?v=9GmN7HHo2VY … Surprise! #Donetsk's #Russia-picked #Zakharchenko cornered by war-ravaged locals. pic.twitter.com/cxNZ5irXTB
    Looks like Donetsk's already famous "anti-war" rally also featured people calling to push back Ukrainian troops.

    Anti-war rally in #Donetsk (unclear who organized)
    Zakharchenko: What's your name?
    Lady: No way! So that I get shot?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkDW...ature=youtu.be …
    People @ #Donetsk rally shouted: "Shame on "DPR!" "U made us live shield!" "DPR" betrayed us&took families 2 Rostov!" pic.twitter.com/1cTJGzleTY

    GWP spotted in #Donetsk at the anti-war rally, introducing his 'media handler' to a woman :-)
    https://youtu.be/FPZ9XkHzCQs?t=2m9s … pic.twitter.com/KQ35DPSc1L

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    More commenting on this topic----

    youtube.com/watch?v=9GmN7HHo2VY … Surprise! #Donetsk's #Russia-picked #Zakharchenko cornered by war-ravaged locals. pic.twitter.com/cxNZ5irXTB
    Looks like Donetsk's already famous "anti-war" rally also featured people calling to push back Ukrainian troops.

    Anti-war rally in #Donetsk (unclear who organized)
    Zakharchenko: What's your name?
    Lady: No way! So that I get shot?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkDW...ature=youtu.be …
    Telling comment by a so called ethnic Russian Ukrainian----interesting he openly calls the DNR forces cowards for hiding behind civilians

    Man says there is no #Minsk, never was; & DPR should go & fight in the fields w/ #Ukraine forces, not at their homeshttps://youtu.be/FPZ9XkHzCQs?t=10s …

    Human shields: essentially the man is saying DPR not to use residential areas as cover to fire from, at #Ukraine troops, who fire back.

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    Ukrainian authorities say 10 soldiers have been killed & 20 wounded in the past 24 hours. equals Escalation

    S.Koshkina, Ed @lb_ua: #Crimea annexation & #Odessa 2 May were thoroughly planned by #Russia pic.twitter.com/HzaHWI6eQ5

    Azov:
    There is some good painters out there in the big world, thats for sure. pic.twitter.com/DDHjY7hdAp

    Russia AND NATO Both Up The Ante, Both Discuss Moving Arms Into Eastern Europe http://bit.ly/1C90u7I pic.twitter.com/nYQ8RyY7jD

    .@OSCE_SMM drone spotted 60 tanks, 6 howitzers, 23 APCs in separatist territory E and S of Donetsk http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/15-june...itzers-23-apcs

    #Russia(n) websites reporting #Putin terrorist "Givi" died from wounds http://myrussianews.ru/politika/smi-...givi-ymer.html … pic.twitter.com/sLfIboaQlr
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 06-15-2015 at 06:39 PM.

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    Russia threatens the US if it stations weapons near the Russian borders BUT then it somehow forgot it signed the NATO-Russia Founding Act…………………..

    #Russia blackmails #West by #Iskanders in #Kaliningrad & changes in force posture in #Belarus http://charter97.org/en/news/2015/6/15/155565/ … pic.twitter.com/M1fvKN2rde

    #Russia agreed with #NATO PREPOSITIONING in 1997. Check out NATO-Russia Founding Act part IV http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/of...exts_25468.htm … pic.twitter.com/jqeu8eVhIp

    Part IV Continued…………

    NATO reiterates that in the current and foreseeable security environment, the Alliance will carry out its collective defence and other missions by ensuring the necessary interoperability, integration, and capability for reinforcement rather than by additional permanent stationing of substantial combat forces. Accordingly, it will have to rely on adequate infrastructure commensurate with the above tasks. In this context, reinforcement may take place, when necessary, in the event of defence against a threat of aggression and missions in support of peace consistent with the United Nations Charter and the OSCE governing principles, as well as for exercises consistent with the adapted CFE Treaty, the provisions of the Vienna Document 1994 and mutually agreed transparency measures. Russia will exercise similar restraint in its conventional force deployments in Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Russia threatens the US if it stations weapons near the Russian borders BUT then it somehow forgot it signed the NATO-Russia Founding Act…………………..

    #Russia blackmails #West by #Iskanders in #Kaliningrad & changes in force posture in #Belarus http://charter97.org/en/news/2015/6/15/155565/ … pic.twitter.com/M1fvKN2rde

    #Russia agreed with #NATO PREPOSITIONING in 1997. Check out NATO-Russia Founding Act part IV http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/of...exts_25468.htm … pic.twitter.com/jqeu8eVhIp
    US affirmed Budapest Memo + no NATO for Ukraine in 2009. Nothing scary for Russia til Euromaidan booted Putin puppet https://twitter.com/liveuamap/status/610507600124317697 …

    #Russia says will retaliate if U.S. weapons stationed on its borders
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0OV17A20150615 …

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    @LUGANSK_TODAY
    BREAKING
    #Russian neo-nazi identified as paratrooper who took part in #Crimea annexation. READ http://lugansk-news.com/russian-neo-...ea-annexation/ … pic.twitter.com/Y0wvaOT5Rf

    @LUGANSK_TODAY another soldier from the same unit identified. Read details at http://lugansk-news.com/putin-ghost-...ers-of-crimea/ … pic.twitter.com/gT0Yd4esyS

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Russia threatens the US if it stations weapons near the Russian borders BUT then it somehow forgot it signed the NATO-Russia Founding Act…………………..

    #Russia blackmails #West by #Iskanders in #Kaliningrad & changes in force posture in #Belarus http://charter97.org/en/news/2015/6/15/155565/ … pic.twitter.com/M1fvKN2rde

    #Russia agreed with #NATO PREPOSITIONING in 1997. Check out NATO-Russia Founding Act part IV http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/of...exts_25468.htm … pic.twitter.com/jqeu8eVhIp
    NATO plans to store equip for 150 men per Baltic country. Russia: "No choice, must deploy Iskanders in Kaliningrad" http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...source=twitter

    Jorge Benitez: Putin wants to intimidate "the US & Western Europeans to respect Russia's sphere of influence" http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...p-the-new-norm

    .@NATOSource director Jorge Benitez: Putin "relies on threats & coercion because he believes they work" http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...p-the-new-norm

    Benitez: "The more Putin uses military units to try to bully the West, the more he galvanizes Western opposition" http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...p-the-new-norm

    Spiral theorists, get your popcorn. Russia will deploy reinforcements to the border, if NATO adds tanks to the Balts https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/06/15...eastern-europe

    Russia tells U.S. that Baltic 'aggression' will get 'land, sea and air response' #Kaliningrad. http://ln.is/tumblr.com/J1Owa

    Russia blackmails EU by Iskanders in Kaliningrad and “changes in force grouping” in Belarus - Charter'97 15 Jun http://www.charter97.org/en/news/2015/6/15/155565/

    Belarus and China hold joint exercise Dashing Eagle 2015 at Brestsky 15-27 June near EU borders - Charter'97 15 Jun http://www.charter97.org/en/news/2015/6/15/155576/

    @Guderian_Xaba According to Kremlin logic, YES. NATO is to equip an entire company in each Baltic state --> Iskanders necessary.
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 06-15-2015 at 07:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    NATO plans to store equip for 150 men per Baltic country. Russia: "No choice, must deploy Iskanders in Kaliningrad" http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...source=twitter

    Jorge Benitez: Putin wants to intimidate "the US & Western Europeans to respect Russia's sphere of influence" http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...p-the-new-norm

    .@NATOSource director Jorge Benitez: Putin "relies on threats & coercion because he believes they work" http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...p-the-new-norm

    Benitez: "The more Putin uses military units to try to bully the West, the more he galvanizes Western opposition" http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...p-the-new-norm

    Spiral theorists, get your popcorn. Russia will deploy reinforcements to the border, if NATO adds tanks to the Balts https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/06/15...eastern-europe

    Russia tells U.S. that Baltic 'aggression' will get 'land, sea and air response' #Kaliningrad. http://ln.is/tumblr.com/J1Owa

    Russia blackmails EU by Iskanders in Kaliningrad and “changes in force grouping” in Belarus - Charter'97 15 Jun http://www.charter97.org/en/news/2015/6/15/155565/

    Belarus and China hold joint exercise Dashing Eagle 2015 at Brestsky 15-27 June near EU borders - Charter'97 15 Jun http://www.charter97.org/en/news/2015/6/15/155576/

    @Guderian_Xaba According to Kremlin logic, YES. NATO is to equip an entire company in each Baltic state --> Iskanders necessary.
    https://inmoscowsshadows.wordpress.c...es-to-fortune/

    US prepositioning in the Baltics: heavy metal politics and hostages to fortune

    by Mark Galeotti

    There is much about the present Russo-Western confrontation that is symbolic, even when it comes to the tanks rumbling around the Baltic plans or the Russian aircraft screaming past and sometimes into NATO airspace. Essentially, it is a combination of the macho posture of alpha male animals, trying to overawe their rival by any means short of the murderous, and the stately diplomatic dance of hint, demarche and denunciation, in heavy metal form.

    Consider, for example, the likely deployment of heavy equipment in the Baltic states, a pre-deployment of enough kit for a full brigade. More than anything else, this is a piece of theatre intended to reassure the Balts that they would not be left high and dry if the big, bad Russians ever invaded, and warn Moscow that Washington is indeed serious about its obligations to its NATO allies.

    In military terms, after all, it is harder to see this as serious. Why? All this hardware is pretty pointless without (a) the 5,000 or soldiers to go with it and (b) without the time to take the tanks and other pieces of kit out of storage and get them ready for action -- even at the most basic level, they need fuel, ammunition and other consumables. Presumably if -- and I don't believe this would ever happen -- the Russians ever were to invade the Baltic states, they would do so through a surprise blitzkrieg, as one of their massive military "exercises" on the borders suddenly reveals itself to be an intervention force. I can't see Moscow feeling the need to give NATO fair warning and notice!

    The sad truth is that the Baltic states are pretty much impossible to defend in purely military terms. The borders are open, the terrain is pretty flat, the settlements small. That in no way minimizes the determination of the Balts, and the Russians would have to expect subsequent bitter guerrilla warfare as patriots fight back from the woods or in the cities, but Moscow's ability to take the region in the first instant is hard to question.

    The corollary? It is that, in purely military terms, Washington is prepositioning a cache of modern weapons for the Russians to capture.

    Of course, the point is that this is not what anyone expects to happen: if -- again, let's stress that if -- Russia chose to step up its aggression against the Baltic states, it is almost certain to be through indirect, covert or deniable means, not a storm of armour and airpower. The calculation in Washington is that at least by pretending to make a serious military commitment to the Baltic states (and one which makes it certain and obvious that any Russian offensive will bring it into face-to-face contact with US soldiers), it deters Moscow from any such moves. And so we have another demonstration of the many ways in which if not war but military force can be the instrument for politics by other means.
    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    Moscow warns #US not to store military hardware near #Russian border - http://bit.ly/1MX9xiw @RusEmbUSA
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 06-15-2015 at 07:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Telling comment by a so called ethnic Russian Ukrainian----interesting he openly calls the DNR forces cowards for hiding behind civilians

    Man says there is no #Minsk, never was; & DPR should go & fight in the fields w/ #Ukraine forces, not at their homeshttps://youtu.be/FPZ9XkHzCQs?t=10s

    Human shields: essentially the man is saying DPR not to use residential areas as cover to fire from, at #Ukraine troops, who fire back.

    #Donetsk rally 2day was arranged by Natalia Vitrenko's Socialist party,whose members are now "DPR MPs".Curves of fate pic.twitter.com/sFcAwGkQFI

    Another Kremlin Propagandist who tweets exactly the opposite why people protested pic.twitter.com/yn1Gan1GVe

    youtube.com/watch?v=q1Afj_hZaqo … Woman:'We need peace!' #Zakharchenko: 'You want #Ukraine to put you in a concentration camp?' pic.twitter.com/G3oHvzaG34
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 06-15-2015 at 07:55 PM.

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