The myth of Russian humiliation

[kaur]

This summer Moscow Levada centre studied how well Russian know how started WW I and WW II. They were asked also about Ukraine. Sorry for Google translat.

Poor understanding of how to start the first and second world wars, raising the specter of the Third. But this is not the main problem. Light (in the opinion of those who have not been there) victory in Georgia in 2008, an easy victory in the Crimea in 2014, give rise to the public the impression that Russia - a great power. It is worth and to war. The cenario that clashes in eastern Ukraine could turn into a "war between Russia and Ukraine", ready to imagine 66% of Russians. Whether they want to immediately stop the conflict, to withdraw "volunteers" to stop supplying weapons there? The survey shows that the answer is no. In general, if it wants to Russian war? Maybe they do not want, but are willing to support those who express such an intention. Answers to the question "Will you support the Russian leadership in a situation of armed conflict between Russia and Ukraine?" Were distributed as follows: "Definitely yes" - 17% "more likely" - 38%, "Probably not" - 18% "Definitely not "- 11%" Do not know "- 16%.

http://www.levada.ru/24-10-2014/tri-mirovye-voiny

[OUTLAW 09]

Putin's response to journalist questions today seems to shot holes in the Russian "humiliation" arguments.

'I don't think the USA is a threat to us," says Putin. But 'policy of the (US) ruling circles is mistaken'

Tobi Gati asking Putin who are "they" in his attacks on US - Obama? Foreign policy elite? American people?

Well played Neil Buckley, asked important Q on Russian soldiers rather than worrying about his invite next year. Putin completely ignored it.

No surprise: Putin confirms Moscow helped former Ukraine President Yanukovich flee to Russia last Feb amid protests and police crackdown

Putin on Yanukovych flight: "I won't hide it, we helped him get to Crimea. Even though Crimea was still part of Ukraine."

Did anyone notice not once did he repeat any of the "humiliation" charges Russia and Putin were so fond of during the Crimea.

[OUTLAW 09]

Notice there is no longer any Russian FM nor Putin comments responding to the "alleged" "humiliation reasons" stated so often by them during the Crimean event.

From RIA today:

SOCHI, October 24 (RIA Novosti) - US widespread interference and dictatorship lead to the escalation of conflicts worldwide, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Friday.

"The exсeptionalism of the United States, the way they implement their leadership, is it really a benefit? And their worldwide intervention brings peace and stability, progress and peak of democracy? Maybe we should relax and enjoy this splendor? No!" Putin stressed at the plenary session of the 11th meeting of the Valdai International Discussion Club.

"Unilateral dictatorship and obtrusion of the patterns leads to opposite result. Instead of conflicts settlement – their escalation. Instead of sovereign, stable states - growing chaos. Instead of democracy – support for very dubious public, such as neo-Nazis and Islamic extremists," Putin said.

[OUTLAW 09]

Wow--first Russian complains of being constantly "humiliated by the West because they were a superpower"--NOW it is the reverse Russia does not want to be WHAT a "superpower?---really?

Russia doesn't claim superpower's role - Putin

SOCHI. Oct 24 (Interfax) - Russia is not going to portray itself as a superpower, but it will not allow interference in its internal affairs, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.

"Does Russia claim the role of a superpower's? No. This is quite a burden for us. What do we need this for? We need a lot of resources, time and strength to develop our own territories. We don't need to meddle anywhere and command anything, but don't you meddle in our affairs, don't pose as arbiters of the world's fates - and that's it. If Russia's leadership in anything is possible, then it's in defending international law," Putin said at a plenary session of the Valdai International Discussion Club in Sochi on Friday.

Russia believes that, instead of imposing one's interests on others, it should help build a balanced system of relations in the world, he said.

"Can it be that someone might not reckon with anything, while we can't defend our vital interests and those of the Russian-speaking people and the Russian population in Crimea? It can't be this way. And I want everyone to come to understanding this. You should get rid of this temptation and attempts to comb the world as you see fit but build a balanced system of interests and relations, which was stipulated long ago, and all you should do is treat this with respect," Putin said.

"Yes, we perfectly understand that the world has changed, and we are ready to listen to this and adjust this system accordingly. But we can't allow our interests to be fully ignored, and will never allow this," he said.

[mirhond]

Poor understanding of how to start the first and second world wars, raising the specter of the Third. But this is not the main problem. Light (in the opinion of those who have not been there) victory in Georgia in 2008, an easy victory in the Crimea in 2014, give rise to the public the impression that Russia - a great power. It is worth and to war. The cenario that clashes in eastern Ukraine could turn into a "war between Russia and Ukraine", ready to imagine 66% of Russians. Whether they want to immediately stop the conflict, to withdraw "volunteers" to stop supplying weapons there? The survey shows that the answer is no.

http://www.levada.ru/24-10-2014/tri-mirovye-voiny

Loaded question, false assumption. Don't call it science, please.

[kaur]

My friend mirhond, you are right again! They seem to work for Americans

Almost a year into the Kremlin’s war on civil society, the legal veneer looked familiar: A May 15 letter from prosecutors informed the Levada Center, Russia’s most authoritative independent polling firm, that in publicizing the results of its polls it “aimed at shaping public opinion on government policy” and was, therefore, a “political organization.” And, as a political organization receiving foreign grants (from the likes of the Ford and MacArthur foundations), it had to register as a “foreign agent.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...027_story.html

... and Kremlin. Why Kremlin pays 5 million for such work?

Также гранты получили две крупнейшие социологические организации - "Левада-Центр" (5 млн) и ВЦИОМ (2,4 млн), чьи опросы в последнее время зафиксировали наивысший рейтинг Путина.

http://newsru.com/russia/20jun2014/grants.html

[mirhond]

My friend mirhond, you are right again! They seem to work for Americans

... and Kremlin. Why Kremlin pays 5 million for such work?

Кто девушку ужинает, тот её и танцует, что не понятно?

He who pays the piper calls the tune. Anyway, they have to, there is no way around if they want to do real science. So, expect jingoistic poll results along with some plausible ones.
ps. Besides, you've cited not the raw poll data, but some bull$hit assumptions of some unknown "thinker". How the Russian historical mithology is related to WW III prospects - god knows.

[kaur]

Dear mirhond, you are calling Levada's Alexey Levinson unknown "thinker" with bull$hit assumptions what a humble opininion.

[OUTLAW 09]

One of the largest Putin "humiliation myths" was that the US together with NATO "took" unauthorized UN actions in Kosovo and that led to Serbia losing Kosovo.

THEN this pops up from Russia today and Putin will use this formal statement to "allow New Russia" to succeed from the Ukraine.

Well so much for another Russian "humiliation".

RU preparing secession of 'Novorossiya'? > "@carlbildt: President Putin has suddenly declared that Kosovo had a right to secede from Serbia"

NOTICE--Putin did not make that statement when he was watching the Belgrade militay parade before Milan.

[kaur]

The Research Report from the NATO Defense College Research Division considers some of the enduring myths, misunderstandings, and dilemmas of NATO’s relationship with Russia.
Michael Ruehle of the NATO International Staff clears up some of the myths being propagated by Moscow regarding the supposed promises by the Alliance at the end of the Cold War. These include a commitment not to enlarge the Alliance to the East and eventual membership for Russia. Neither of these, states Ruehle, was ever true, but there are some grounds for a misunderstanding by Moscow.
His policy prescription for the Alliance is to adopt a selective and sober approach to future dealings with Moscow, one devoid of rhetoric on a strategic partnership and more focused on reciprocal cooperative ventures of mutual interest.

https://nllp.jallc.nato.int/IKS/Shar...20dilemmas.pdf