The Russian economy (catch all)

[Dayuhan]

Dayuhan--since you do not like comments from social media---then is an official one from the RIA---from the horses mouth but take it with a grain of salt for the following reason--remember I mentioned the Ponzi scheme ie where is the pea under the walnut shell game---there have been some serious Russian economists commenting on the oil price and they indicated a base of 114 was the correct calculating price for the Russian budget purposes up from this figure of 96 and not what was mentioned four weeks ago at a base price of 104.

Anything from official Russian sources has to be taken with multiple grains of salt.

Given the opacity of Russian budget processes, we have no way of knowing what prices they are assuming when they budget. If they are assuming $114, then they are essentially assuming a deficit, because that's way out of line with even the highest estimates. They may very well be doing that: governments routinely run deficits: it's a problem, not a catastrophe, and they can carry it off for a while if they juggle (as most governments do).

"We will monitor the situation and react according to the situation," Siluanov promised, adding that the current decline of oil prices was caused by growth in Libyan oil production and beginning of export of the light crude oil from US.

That's completely off the wall: the US does not export oil. It's illegal to export oil from the US. There's some talk of changing that, but it's still talk at this point.

An unexpected increase in Libyan exports has had an impact on the overall prices, as has greater confidence that Iraqi production will not be heavily affected by the mess there. Relatively small fluctuations in production, even in the hundred thousand bbl range, can have a significant impact on prices.

Analyst consensus still seems to be that the 2014 average will be over $100, and last I looked the 2015 projection was hanging around $105. If they can't balance at that price they'll be in deficit. Will that have any impact on their policies in the Ukraine?

Again, we all know that Russia is corrupt, we all know they have serious problems in their energy industry, we all know that sooner or later this will all catch up and they will have to cope with serious fiscal issues. The question is how any of this will impact their foreign policies. I wouldn't expect much to change: if anything they may get more aggressive. Of course in the long term the possibility of another economic collapse is always there, but that's well out in the future.

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Anything from official Russian sources has to be taken with multiple grains of salt.

Given the opacity of Russian budget processes, we have no way of knowing what prices they are assuming when they budget. If they are assuming $114, then they are essentially assuming a deficit, because that's way out of line with even the highest estimates. They may very well be doing that: governments routinely run deficits: it's a problem, not a catastrophe, and they can carry it off for a while if they juggle (as most governments do).



That's completely off the wall: the US does not export oil. It's illegal to export oil from the US. There's some talk of changing that, but it's still talk at this point.

An unexpected increase in Libyan exports has had an impact on the overall prices, as has greater confidence that Iraqi production will not be heavily affected by the mess there. Relatively small fluctuations in production, even in the hundred thousand bbl range, can have a significant impact on prices.

Analyst consensus still seems to be that the 2014 average will be over $100, and last I looked the 2015 projection was hanging around $105. If they can't balance at that price they'll be in deficit. Will that have any impact on their policies in the Ukraine?

Again, we all know that Russia is corrupt, we all know they have serious problems in their energy industry, we all know that sooner or later this will all catch up and they will have to cope with serious fiscal issues. The question is how any of this will impact their foreign policies. I wouldn't expect much to change: if anything they may get more aggressive. Of course in the long term the possibility of another economic collapse is always there, but that's well out in the future.

So Dayuhan--now that you have seen "official" Russian oil/gas statements and noticed they tended to be out of touch with "reality" then is really Russia one large supper Ponzi scheme just teetering?

Russia oil broke to 94.85 today and heading lower.

https://twitter.com/andersostlund/st...925120/photo/1

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So Dayuhan--now that you have seen "official" Russian oil/gas statements and noticed they tended to be out of touch with "reality" then is really Russia one large supper Ponzi scheme just teetering?

Russia oil broke to 94.85 today and heading lower.

https://twitter.com/andersostlund/st...925120/photo/1

Dayuhan---by the way a side question--was the press release for internal Russian consumption and or external global consummation?

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When it rains it pours on Russia since the last round of sanctions.

From Interfax today:

16:13 Car production in Russia down 4.6% in 8M, plummets 38% in Aug - Rosstat

16:00 RUSSIAN INDUSTRIAL GROWTH SLOWS TO ZERO IN AUGUST, BELOW FORECAST

10:10 DOLLAR TOPS 38 RUBLES/$1 ON MOSCOW EXCHANGE

10:05 DOLLAR UP 9% TO 37.87 RUBLES, RUBLE DOWN AGAINST BI-CURRENCY BASKET

[Dayuhan]

So Dayuhan--now that you have seen "official" Russian oil/gas statements and noticed they tended to be out of touch with "reality" then is really Russia one large supper Ponzi scheme just teetering?

Of course; it's been that way for ages, it's only recently that people are looking. As I said, any information from Russian sources has to be assumed to be unreliable. They are in a bad way on a lot of levels, not as bad as Venezuela, but no oil producers are as bad off as Venezuela. That doesn't mean a collapse is imminent: they can carry on for some time just by shuffling the numbers faster. Long term it is not sustainable, but as we've seen in Venezuela things can stagger on for quite a time.

Dayuhan---by the way a side question--was the press release for internal Russian consumption and or external global consummation?

Which press release? If you mean the unsourced price quote from Twitter, if it's Urals it's export; it's an export blend. I don't know of any source that reports internal Russian prices.

This would interest you:

http://www.platts.com/latest-news/sh...crude-26875445

and:

http://af.reuters.com/article/energy...BrandChannel=0

The unusual Chinese purchases of Urals might be an effort to prop up the market, or it might just be taking advantage of low prices.

Data from Platts or based on the Platts window are always interesting because they report actual transactions, not just rolling average price quotes.

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Of course; it's been that way for ages, it's only recently that people are looking. As I said, any information from Russian sources has to be assumed to be unreliable. They are in a bad way on a lot of levels, not as bad as Venezuela, but no oil producers are as bad off as Venezuela. That doesn't mean a collapse is imminent: they can carry on for some time just by shuffling the numbers faster. Long term it is not sustainable, but as we've seen in Venezuela things can stagger on for quite a time.



Which press release? If you mean the unsourced price quote from Twitter, if it's Urals it's export; it's an export blend. I don't know of any source that reports internal Russian prices.

This would interest you:

http://www.platts.com/latest-news/sh...crude-26875445

and:

http://af.reuters.com/article/energy...BrandChannel=0

The unusual Chinese purchases of Urals might be an effort to prop up the market, or it might just be taking advantage of low prices.

Data from Platts or based on the Platts window are always interesting because they report actual transactions, not just rolling average price quotes.

Again Dayuhan reported via twitter which you seem to dismiss, but then again it came via yahoo another internet reporting site not quite as fast as twitter.

The sentence is this article is "telling"---do not "panic" Russian population we have a plan........

You will also notice they quote falling oil prices.

http://news.yahoo.com/ruble-plunges-...110647010.html

Deputy foreign minister Alexei Moiseyev sought to put on a brave face, saying authorities were taking steps to curb inflation.

"Don't panic," he said on Tuesday

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Dayuhan--more on the falling Russian economy:

Ruble Drops to Record as Russia Sanctions Fuel Dollar Shortage


By Vladimir Kuznetsov and Ksenia Galouchko Sep 16, 2014 11:48 AM ET 0 Comments Email Print




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The ruble fell to a record for a fourth day as sanctions over the Ukraine crisis exacerbated a foreign-currency shortage in Russia, while the government canceled its ninth straight debt sale. Stocks advanced.

The exchange rate tumbled 0.9 percent to 43.8454 against the central bank’s dollar-euro basket at 7:10 p.m. in Moscow, depreciating for a seventh day to a record low. That’s within 56 kopeks of 44.40, the level that would trigger the central bank to intervene. The Micex Index climbed 1.6 percent to a two-month high, led by OAO Sberbank, the nation’s biggest lender, which was named under expanded U.S. sanctions last week.

Foreign-currency liquidity has come under pressure as the European Union and U.S. imposed new penalties to curtail access of Russian companies to their debt markets. The one-week dollar-ruble swap rate traded at the widest discount to the central bank’s main interest rate in six months today, signaling traders are willing to pay a premium for the U.S. currency.

“Sanctions and closed access to foreign-exchange liquidity from the West” is feeding demand for dollars, Dmitry Polevoy, the chief economist for Russia and the Commonwealth of Independent States at ING Groep NV in Moscow, said in an e-mailed note. “The market is now targeting the upper boundary of the ruble corridor at 44.40.”

The ruble, which has lost 15 percent of its value against the U.S. currency this year, depreciated as much as 1.4 percent to 38.9300 per dollar, before trading at 38.7145. It lost 1 percent versus the euro.

Dollar Shortage

The implied yield on a one-week swap fell for a third day to 6.43 percent, taking the spread over the central bank interest rate to minus 157 basis points, compared with minus 105 basis points yesterday.

Foreign-exchange liquidity has “virtually dried out,” with volumes sinking to about $100 million per day, compared with $1 billion to $2 billion previously, according to Natalia Orlova, the chief economist for OAO Alfa Bank in Moscow.

The currency pared declines after Deputy Finance Minister Alexey Moiseev said the ministry and central bank were discussing ways to alleviate the “structural” shortage of foreign currency in the market.

“An injection of dollar liquidity by the central bank could push the ruble higher, back to 38 versus the dollar,” Moscow-based Sberbank CIB analyst Iskander Abdullaev said by e-mail.

Auction Pulled

Companies have $22 billion in dollar-denominated payments to make in September and local banks are “anticipating demand for hard currency from retailers and accumulating additional dollar liquidity,” Abdullaev said.

“The geopolitical background remains unstable,” Dmitriy Gritskevich, an analyst at OAO Promsvyazbank, said in an e-mailed note. The ruble may move “without any serious obstacles” straight to the upper limit of the dollar-euro basket, he said.

Government bonds due in February 2027 climbed, sending the yield down four basis points to 9.66 percent, trimming the increase since President Vladimir Putin started his incursion into Ukraine’s Crimea region in March to 130 basis points. The Finance Ministry cited “unfavorable” market conditions today for pulling a domestic bond auction.

Tougher penalties were announced last week even amid a cease-fire between pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine and the government in Kiev, stoking concern Russia would retaliate with measures of its own and deepen the six-month crisis.

Stocks rose after Ukraine’s parliament approved a law giving special status to two regions controlled by pro-Russian separatists. That boosted optimism the crisis may ease and sanctions would be lifted, Vadim Bit-Avragim, who helps oversee about $4.1 billion at Kapital Asset Management LLC in Moscow, said by phone.

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Dayuhan--more on the falling Russian economy:

Ruble Drops to Record as Russia Sanctions Fuel Dollar Shortage


By Vladimir Kuznetsov and Ksenia Galouchko Sep 16, 2014 11:48 AM ET

The ruble fell to a record for a fourth day as sanctions over the Ukraine crisis exacerbated a foreign-currency shortage in Russia, while the government canceled its ninth straight debt sale. Stocks advanced.

The exchange rate tumbled 0.9 percent to 43.8454 against the central bank’s dollar-euro basket at 7:10 p.m. in Moscow, depreciating for a seventh day to a record low. That’s within 56 kopeks of 44.40, the level that would trigger the central bank to intervene. The Micex Index climbed 1.6 percent to a two-month high, led by OAO Sberbank, the nation’s biggest lender, which was named under expanded U.S. sanctions last week.

Foreign-currency liquidity has come under pressure as the European Union and U.S. imposed new penalties to curtail access of Russian companies to their debt markets. The one-week dollar-ruble swap rate traded at the widest discount to the central bank’s main interest rate in six months today, signaling traders are willing to pay a premium for the U.S. currency.

“Sanctions and closed access to foreign-exchange liquidity from the West” is feeding demand for dollars, Dmitry Polevoy, the chief economist for Russia and the Commonwealth of Independent States at ING Groep NV in Moscow, said in an e-mailed note. “The market is now targeting the upper boundary of the ruble corridor at 44.40.”

The ruble, which has lost 15 percent of its value against the U.S. currency this year, depreciated as much as 1.4 percent to 38.9300 per dollar, before trading at 38.7145. It lost 1 percent versus the euro.

Dollar Shortage

The implied yield on a one-week swap fell for a third day to 6.43 percent, taking the spread over the central bank interest rate to minus 157 basis points, compared with minus 105 basis points yesterday.

Foreign-exchange liquidity has “virtually dried out,” with volumes sinking to about $100 million per day, compared with $1 billion to $2 billion previously, according to Natalia Orlova, the chief economist for OAO Alfa Bank in Moscow.

The currency pared declines after Deputy Finance Minister Alexey Moiseev said the ministry and central bank were discussing ways to alleviate the “structural” shortage of foreign currency in the market.

“An injection of dollar liquidity by the central bank could push the ruble higher, back to 38 versus the dollar,” Moscow-based Sberbank CIB analyst Iskander Abdullaev said by e-mail.

Auction Pulled

Companies have $22 billion in dollar-denominated payments to make in September and local banks are “anticipating demand for hard currency from retailers and accumulating additional dollar liquidity,” Abdullaev said.

“The geopolitical background remains unstable,” Dmitriy Gritskevich, an analyst at OAO Promsvyazbank, said in an e-mailed note. The ruble may move “without any serious obstacles” straight to the upper limit of the dollar-euro basket, he said.

Government bonds due in February 2027 climbed, sending the yield down four basis points to 9.66 percent, trimming the increase since President Vladimir Putin started his incursion into Ukraine’s Crimea region in March to 130 basis points. The Finance Ministry cited “unfavorable” market conditions today for pulling a domestic bond auction.

Tougher penalties were announced last week even amid a cease-fire between pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine and the government in Kiev, stoking concern Russia would retaliate with measures of its own and deepen the six-month crisis.

Stocks rose after Ukraine’s parliament approved a law giving special status to two regions controlled by pro-Russian separatists. That boosted optimism the crisis may ease and sanctions would be lifted, Vadim Bit-Avragim, who helps oversee about $4.1 billion at Kapital Asset Management LLC in Moscow, said by phone.

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Now the Yukos Two case:

After the arrest of the Basneft oligarch owner yesterday the stock dropped this morning by a whopping 26%.

Who needs sanctions when Russians shot themselves in their own feet--which just adds to the current sanctions misery.