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    The “DPR’s” core area has receded to the city of Donetsk, hemmed in by Ukrainian-controlled or contested environs. Secessionist troops (augmented with those that withdrew from other areas) are now concentrated in that city of one million people. There, the “DPR” leaders are now embarking on a state-building project on a city-state scale. It is, alongside the LPR, a building block of the Kremlin’s Novorossiya geopolitical and ideological design. Were it to take root (by Russian commission and Western omission, both patent), the “DPR” would become de facto a city-state inside Ukraine, with a short direct supply line to Russia.

    More than a local “pro-Russian” project, this is a Russian project actually. Weapons, instructors, financing, geopolitical agenda, and (for the leadership group at least) ideological motivation are all Russian. And given the “DPR” commander’s repeated complaints that the locals are generally unwilling to join his forces (including most recently in Donetsk—see EDM, July 14), it follows that the pro-Russia forces probably include an even higher proportion of fighters from Russia than hitherto assumed.

    On July 10, three top “DPR” leaders appeared at a press conference in Donetsk: “prime minister” Aleksandr Boroday, “defense minister” and commander-in-chief Igor Girkin/Strelkov, and newly appointed “deputy prime minister for security matters” Vladimir Antyufeyev (Interfax-Ukraine, July 10; Russkaya Vesna, July 10).

    These leaders have nothing in common with Donetsk or the Donbas. They are citizens of Russia with their origins in Moscow, the Pskov region, and Novosibirsk, respectively. They have arrived in Ukraine on special mission in April 2014, February 2014, and July 2014, respectively.
    http://www.jamestown.org/programs/ed...4#.U8WS9mIaySM

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    Another example of a Russian TV total misinformation that was so bad even the Russians pulled it as it was a total fabrication from start to end and was declared that within minutes after it was rleased.

    Maybe our Russian expert mirhond could give us some insight on why it was such a bad Russian fabrication?

    http://khpg.org.ua/en/index.php?id=1405478412

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaur View Post
    These leaders have nothing in common with Donetsk or the Donbas. They are citizens of Russia with their origins in Moscow, the Pskov region, and Novosibirsk, respectively. They have arrived in Ukraine on special mission in April 2014, February 2014, and July 2014, respectively.
    1. They actually do have something in common with some locals: the same political agenda and beliefs.

    2. Appeal to the places of origin is ridiculous, for your information, ideas may cross the borders. It's like saying "Poles from "Dombrowski" international brigade and Germans from "Condor Legion" had nothing to do with Spain, they arrived from Poland and Germany, respectively"
    It's a pity that you bunked off historical lessions at school.
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    mirhond, Che thought also that peasents love him ... After all the fallacys of your previous posts, should I discard you like you did to Outlaw? What is the joint poltical agenda of "Ozero" cooperative and Donbass?

    Interview with head of Lugansk SBU head in Russian. Nice details about Russians activities there. Call name "Older sister" was FSB, "sisiter" was GRU etc. Nice joint op. One gives his agents, second provides arms and experts. Going through Google translate is worth the verbal pain

    http://gordonua.com/publications/Pet...ala-29825.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaur View Post
    mirhond, Che thought also that peasents love him ... After all the fallacys of your previous posts, should I discard you like you did to Outlaw? What is the joint poltical agenda of "Ozero" cooperative and Donbass?

    http://gordonua.com/publications/Pet...ala-29825.html
    Red Herring Fallacy. In order to make your statement relevant you have to make two things:
    prove that "Ozero" cooperative has something to do with Strelkov&Co
    disprove that Strelkov&Co share political agenda with some belligerent locals.

    If you don't know what their political agenda and beliefs are - do some search with Яндекс.

    On Petrulevich - SBU general who ####ed up securiy situation in Lugansk, surrendered to separatists and opened the doors of SBU armory to them is now trying to save his ass from lashes. Is there any reason to believe him?

    ps. Have courage to carry The Burden of Proof and discard anyone you like - it's a free board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    Red Herring Fallacy. In order to make your statement relevant you have to make two things:
    prove that "Ozero" cooperative has something to do with Strelkov&Co
    disprove that Strelkov&Co share political agenda with some belligerent locals.

    If you don't know what their political agenda and beliefs are - do some search with Яндекс.

    On Petrulevich - SBU general who ####ed up securiy situation in Lugansk, surrendered to separatists and opened the doors of SBU armory to them is now trying to save his ass from lashes. Is there any reason to believe him?

    ps. Have courage to carry The Burden of Proof and discard anyone you like - it's a free board.

    come on comrade Russian expert mirhond---we all know that you are only providing cover for lies being disseminated into the West ie that Putin never lies.

    come on Russian expert how can you argue any "fallacy" when your own "fallacy" is not even a "fallacy" but outright lies.

    Did not Putin command his federated Border Security Service to "enhance the border security"---a simply yes or no would suffice as you do not need to explain much other than the border is not secure which in turn means Putin lied did he not?

    I do not think he said "the FSB and Border Security should be smuggling weapons and firing Grads into the Ukraine" did he--if they are in fact firing into the Ukraine then how is that "enhanced border security"

    Come on Russian expert mirhond comment on the Grad firing into the Ukraine video. It does appear that Putin must have been lying or his government security services seem to be ignoring him---which is it Russian expert?

    http://inforesist.org/en/evidence-of...eration-video/

    By the way comrade Russian expert mirhond---a GoogleMap analysis for currently four Youtube videos fully indicate that Grads were being fired from inside Russian territory so much for trusting your pal Putin when he stated there was "enhanced" border security---some "enhancement" do you not think?

    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...s_us_sanctions
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    comrade Russian expert mirhond---maybe we can be you to admit here that the dead bodies of Russian troops from the 45th Russian SF Regt were in fact returned recently to the "motherland"---it seems the Russian government cannot so maybe you have better connections than say Putin does.

    By the way, Russia has yet to explain the fact of the return of the corpses of its soldiers to Russia from Ukraine leaked to the media. For example, [the soldiers] of the 45th Special Forces Airborne Regiment. I would like to hear [Dmitry] Kiselev‘s version.

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    http://en.ria.ru/politics/20140717/1...ns-to-80s.html

    comrade Russian expert mirhond----just maybe Putin should have thought about this before he annexed the Crimea and is now sending weapons and troops into the eastern Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    1. They actually do have something in common with some locals: the same political agenda and beliefs.

    2. Appeal to the places of origin is ridiculous, for your information, ideas may cross the borders. It's like saying "Poles from "Dombrowski" international brigade and Germans from "Condor Legion" had nothing to do with Spain, they arrived from Poland and Germany, respectively"
    It's a pity that you bunked off historical lessions at school.
    ok comrade Russian expert mirhond are you actually trying to sell us that a Russian passport carrying individual with a Russian military card, carrying weapons never issued in the Ukraine and having a legal residence inside Russian is in fact a Ukrainian.

    You seem to bunk off (like the new twist in your writing ie English which you are not) you own understanding of the eastern Ukraine.

    You remind me of those Russian sailors coming off a ship following the red flag and shouting not really knowing exactly what they were shouting but hey shouting is a good thing and is typical Russian.

    Can you explain to us here just how it is possible that one Communist leader using Communist legal law gave something away to another Communist country only then 60 years later another former Communist then declares that the Communists in 1954 were and are total idiots for doing that because that is exactly what Putin is arguing---guess he is the "good" communist vs say those very "bad" communists who knew nothing in 1954 but again maybe it was because they were Stalinists not Communists.

    Since when in Communism does one get a chance to down over a mistake---thought Communists never made mistakes as they viewed their decisions to be perfect.

    Come on Russian expert mirhond get with the program and finally state something that is the truth instead of outright lies as everything you write here is in fact a bunk off.

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