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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Russia Lost 5 Aircraft Last Month, Linked to Too Many Exercises and Lack of Qualified Pilots http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...alified-pilots … pic.twitter.com/diBtD0kbp1

    Russia has grounded 3 fleet of aircraft due to crashes; Su-24, Mig-29, & Tu-95. http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...alified-pilots … pic.twitter.com/ESd3euow1D

    Russian source close to MoD: "There are less pilots [in Russia] than there are aircraft" http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...alified-pilots … pic.twitter.com/zMxAtRXFqf

    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinio...rm/525556.html
    War in Ukraine Ruined Russian Military Reform
    Another Russian Strategic Bomber Plane Crashes In Far East http://www.rferl.org/content/russian.../27126469.html

    All Tu-95s now in Russian service are the Tu-95MS variant, built in the 1980s and 1990s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-95

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    http://www.ndc.nato.int/news/current_news.php?icode=830
    NOTE: there is a .pdf tied to this link

    Friday 10 July 2015

    Research Paper 117:

    "Russia's 2014 Military Doctrine and beyond: threat perceptions, capabilities and ambitions", by Polina Sinovets and Bettina Renz.

    In this latest paper by the NATO Defense College, two experts on Russia deconstruct Russia’s December 2014 military doctrine and ask a key question: To what extent does this new doctrine add anything substantially new to the understanding of contemporary Russian politics? Although on the surface the 2014 doctrine does not differ significantly from its previous versions, the devil is in the details—and the details in this case are not very reassuring. The main theme of the doctrine is rivalry with the West, which Moscow politely calls “equitable cooperation” whilst avoiding the word “partnership.”
    The doctrine was written to influence two audiences: internal and external.

    The 2014 doctrine, in comparison to its predecessor, stands out for emphasizing domestic threats to national security. Such threats include destabilisation of the political situation, including terrorist activities as well as outside political influence on Russia’s population.

    For foreign audiences the message also appears to be quite clear. Changes made since the 2010 version explain Russia’s vital concerns vis-a-vis its neighbourhood, which are discussed under both headings of military dangers and military threats. The implication of the latter is to show potential adversaries, including NATO, that intervention in Russia’s neighbourhood could, in certain circumstances, be interpreted by Russia as a casus belli. Overall, the 2014 doctrine gives an impression of deja-vu, and harks back to the great power doctrines of the past. In the manner of the Monroe doctrine, it sends Western powers the message that Russia’s neighbourhood should be regarded as its sphere of influence, which Moscow is ready to defend, if necessary by all means. The implicit concern in the doctrine over the threat to Kremlin-friendly regimes in neighbouring states is like a modern version of the Brezhnev doctrine, where direct military intervention is camouflaged by hybrid war-type activity.

    The successful use of hybrid tactics in Crimea and to an extent in eastern Ukraine has been the Kremlin’s most successful military endeavour in the past two decades for those states that Russia considers to be a part of its sphere of vital interests, this is a major concern, especially since those outside of the NATO alliance do not have the capacity to stand up against such approaches alone. Improving conventional capabilities and strong nuclear posture will only exacerbate such fears, as they deter any powerful actor or nation from interfering in conflicts in Russia’s neighbourhood.

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    So are the Russians going to blame the Ukrainians for "dirty aircraft fuel"????

    http://tass.ru/en/russia/808849

    Official says fuel likely reason for Russian strategic bomber's crash

    Russia
    July 15, 16:39

    Russian Vice-Premier Dmitry Rogozin
    "Engines never fail on their own, especially all at once," the vice-premier told journalists

    NOVO-OGARYOVO, July 15 /TASS/. Engine failure could not have been the main cause behind the Tupolev Tu-95MS plane crash. Fuel is likely to be the main problem, Russian Vice-Premier Dmitry Rogozin said on Wednesday.

    "Engines never fail on their own, especially all at once," the vice-premier told journalists. He did not rule out that low-quality fuel could have caused the Russian Air Force plane to crash.

    The aircraft crashed in the Khabarovsk Territory in the Russian Far East during a training flight on Tuesday morning.

    The flight was performed without an ammunition allowance. The plane crashed in a deserted area and there is no destruction on the ground.

    Russia’s Defense Ministry suspended the flights of Tupolev Tu-95MS (NATO reporting name: Bear) strategic bombers.

    The Defense Ministry’s press office said that a technical failure is the likely cause for the crash. A source told TASS that the strategic bomber crashed due to failure of all of its four engines

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    So are the Russians going to blame the Ukrainians for "dirty aircraft fuel"????

    http://tass.ru/en/russia/808849

    Official says fuel likely reason for Russian strategic bomber's crash

    Russia
    July 15, 16:39

    Russian Vice-Premier Dmitry Rogozin
    "Engines never fail on their own, especially all at once," the vice-premier told journalists
    In last 2 months 6x #Russia air force jets fell out of the sky... b/c corrupt officers stole the maintenance funds.
    SUPER!!! :-)

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    Two engines failure on the Russia MOD's cargo aircraft forced emergency landing. No casualties this time.

    https://twitter.com/FastSlon/status/622039994077741057

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    Tymchuk: Russia is deploying more & more artillery, sending in more soldiers (non-Slavs), & intensifying the shelling of Ukrainian positions

    Read an advance report on fire support trends in the Russo-Ukraine conflict today. The trends are disturbing.


    UAS surveillance plus Russian thermobaric artillery rounds means that light infantry forces are either dug in or well done.

    Russians also use DPICM plus those thermobaric rounds. We'll soon have neither.

    In a combined DPICM/thermobaric fire mission from Russian MLRS lasting 3 minutes, two Ukrainian mechanized battalions were wiped out.

    Artillery is causing 85% (!) of casualties on both sides.

    you can cross Eastern Ukraine jumping through thermobaric ordnance and don't touch the ground

    This conflict is putting tactical development into hyperdrive. Increasing use of combined arms companies. US way behind.

    combined arms as a core competency has been neglected in defense focus for nearly 20 years

    Russia mastered loop from UAS to IDF. We haven't.

    C-RAM and C-UAS as much needed as longer range/superior performance artillery capabilities

    Russian losses of UAVs are staggering even for a "limited" conflict, if Ukrainians got better C-UAS systems that'll help a lot

    Russia is spreading artillery in battery size down to maneuver battalion level. Army concentrating it at division level. (DIVARTY)

    Smaller loop between maneuver and fires = faster, more responsive integration, which is vital.

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    While this was an interesting theoretical discussion--facts on the ground in Russia occupied eastern Ukraine has fully supported this discussion as the Russian ground forces have completed just this "theoretical" reorganization and have moved into formal attacks positions all along the eastern front lines.

    Good info to match with intercepted comms. before certain attacks

    Pickar, C.K. (1991) Tactical Deep Battle: The Missing Link http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc...f&AD=ADA258092

    Just had a very interesting discussion on topic: Is Russia reviving the Soviet "Deep Battle" concept?

    Military experts tend to poopoo the idea of Russian "Deep Battle", but facts on the ground indicate the concept is being revived
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    It appears that the Russian military (Ground, Airborne and Air Forces) are developing a modern "lite" version of "Tactical Deep Battle"

    Deep Battle" was Soviet/Warsaw Pact era methodology: mechanised assault by combined arms armies. See Pickar 1991 http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=get...fier=ADA258092

    Deep Battle has both defensive and offensive phases ...

    Offensive phases: assault (breach front line/penetration of rear), deep operation (advance/envelopment of rear), consolidation/pursuit.

    Deep Battle relies on mechanised/motorised infantry, tanks, (self-propelled) artillery, AT/AA cover, assault aviation and deep logistics.

    Russian forces currently building motor rifle (mechanised infantry), tank, deep air assault and assault engineer capacity in east of Ukraine

    Rapid reorganisation (by Southern Military Dist) of Russian (hybrid DPR/LPR) motor rifle and tank units "lodgement" in eastern Ukraine...Recent reorganisation and deployments of Russian 1st Tank Div and 20th Combined Arms Army in Western Military District together with......support the notion that the Russian military is preparing a "lite" Tactical Deep Battle operation in (eastern/southern) Ukraine

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Tymchuk: Russia is deploying more & more artillery, sending in more soldiers (non-Slavs), & intensifying the shelling of Ukrainian positions

    Read an advance report on fire support trends in the Russo-Ukraine conflict today. The trends are disturbing.


    UAS surveillance plus Russian thermobaric artillery rounds means that light infantry forces are either dug in or well done.

    Russians also use DPICM plus those thermobaric rounds. We'll soon have neither.

    In a combined DPICM/thermobaric fire mission from Russian MLRS lasting 3 minutes, two Ukrainian mechanized battalions were wiped out.

    Artillery is causing 85% (!) of casualties on both sides.

    you can cross Eastern Ukraine jumping through thermobaric ordnance and don't touch the ground

    This conflict is putting tactical development into hyperdrive. Increasing use of combined arms companies. US way behind.

    combined arms as a core competency has been neglected in defense focus for nearly 20 years

    Russia mastered loop from UAS to IDF. We haven't.

    C-RAM and C-UAS as much needed as longer range/superior performance artillery capabilities

    Russian losses of UAVs are staggering even for a "limited" conflict, if Ukrainians got better C-UAS systems that'll help a lot

    Russia is spreading artillery in battery size down to maneuver battalion level. Army concentrating it at division level. (DIVARTY)

    Smaller loop between maneuver and fires = faster, more responsive integration, which is vital.
    Russian UAV video depicts its use as a forward artillery observer for 152mm SPGs and then for BDA after the shelling to confirm target destruction.

    June 2015, RUS are shelling UKR positions (RUS UAV video)


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3mxGGb9ghk

    RU UVA operator is extremely quick in the use of the camera which shows a solid ability with the use of the UAV.

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    Tenth air crash in less than two months---no/little maintenance, bad fuel, worn out air frames, bad pilots---

    FIRST PHOTO: Mi 28N helicopter crashes at airshow in Russia http://on.rt.com/6o99 pic.twitter.com/67hrZDDxez

    One of the pilots of the fallen Mi-28N "Night hunter" ejected http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/2-augus...n-night-hunter

    Mi-28N military helicopter crashed during a "Aviamix" http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/2-augus...ring-a-aviamix … pic.twitter.com/jIkoavRaCN

    And second pilot is dead http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/2-augus...n-night-hunter … pic.twitter.com/mgG0gUi3If

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Tenth air crash in less than two months---no/little maintenance, bad fuel, worn out air frames, bad pilots---

    FIRST PHOTO: Mi 28N helicopter crashes at airshow in Russia http://on.rt.com/6o99 pic.twitter.com/67hrZDDxez

    One of the pilots of the fallen Mi-28N "Night hunter" ejected http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/2-augus...n-night-hunter

    Mi-28N military helicopter crashed during a "Aviamix" http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/2-augus...ring-a-aviamix … pic.twitter.com/jIkoavRaCN

    And second pilot is dead http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/2-augus...n-night-hunter … pic.twitter.com/mgG0gUi3If

    Right before Mi-28H went down in Ryazan,Russian Air Force Maj-Gen made statement that air show goal was to show RUS air power & reliability

    Russia's latest military helicopter Mi-28H crashed at air show http://top.rbc.ru/society/02/08/2015...79474598721195 … pic.twitter.com/RPXET4u6S2

    Mi-28N crash at Russia Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xuUqHTD2dA

    The helicopter belonged to the "Berkuty" ('Golden Eagles') flight display team.
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    So much for the Russian blue water naval dream----cannot even make it out of the Baltic---

    LVA Armed Forces on 2 AUG in LVA EEZ 5nm from terit. waters spotted RU Navy's tug Viktor Konieckiy towing minelayer Aleksandr Obuhnov.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Right before Mi-28H went down in Ryazan,Russian Air Force Maj-Gen made statement that air show goal was to show RUS air power & reliability

    Russia's latest military helicopter Mi-28H crashed at air show http://top.rbc.ru/society/02/08/2015...79474598721195 … pic.twitter.com/RPXET4u6S2

    Mi-28N crash at Russia Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xuUqHTD2dA

    The helicopter belonged to the "Berkuty" ('Golden Eagles') flight display team.
    All Mi-28s have been grounded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    All Mi-28s have been grounded.
    Pilot who survived the Mi-28N crash has said the chopper gave an alarm about a failure in the hydraulic system. http://www.rg.ru/2015/08/02/vertolet...ml#superheader

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    Russian Drones in Service of Donetsk Militants:

    https://en.informnapalm.org/russian-...tsk-militants/ … pic.twitter.com/vn4xm8AfgU

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    Living conditions seem to get better. Anticorruption fund claims they have found Shoigu's house. Previously they have found Peskov's, Jakunin's etc houses. Shoigu's house is registered to his wives sister's name, is located in noble Moscow suburb and costs 18 000 000, not RUR-s, but USD-s.

    http://alburov.ru/2015/10/shoygy/

    Shoigu is from buddhist region Tuva and architecture of the roof of his house reminds homeregion.

    http://www.tuva.asia/uploads/posts/2...kom-dacane.jpg
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    Russian officials have cleared Shoigu real estate track from register. No more problems.

    http://alburov.ru/2015/11/spasti-shoigu/

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    Russia's direct intervention in Syria represents the first conflict since the end of the Cold War that Russia deployed its armed forces outside of the former Soviet Union and Communist Bloc. I think there's little risk that this will turn out to be a repeat of 1904/1905 for Russia.

    Notwithstanding continued technical problems (growing pains so to speak), this is an indication of an increasingly assertive and capable Russia; inspired by its own growing confidence but also by the opportunity presented by American retreat. The Russians have to this point been fairly conservative in military campaigns by embarking on limited objectives. Let's see if this continues to hold true as temptations increase.
    When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles. - Louis Veuillot

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanPride View Post
    Russia's direct intervention in Syria represents the first conflict since the end of the Cold War that Russia deployed its armed forces outside of the former Soviet Union and Communist Bloc. I think there's little risk that this will turn out to be a repeat of 1904/1905 for Russia.

    Notwithstanding continued technical problems (growing pains so to speak), this is an indication of an increasingly assertive and capable Russia; inspired by its own growing confidence but also by the opportunity presented by American retreat. The Russians have to this point been fairly conservative in military campaigns by embarking on limited objectives. Let's see if this continues to hold true as temptations increase.
    The Russian intervention is so limited and so poolry executed that I'm not sure it can be taken too seriously.

    Despite some partial attempts at modernizing and professionalizing the Russian Armed Forces, Putin is forced to resort to stunts in order to convince the world that Russia still is a great power conventionally.

    Remember that Iran is what keeps Assad in power, and so the Syrian Civil War is not Putin's to lose.

    Technically, they've done little other than enrage Sunni Syrians by dropping mostly dumb bombs in built-up areas.

    In the Ukraine, they went to war with an army that could only mobilize less than 10,000 soldiers at the outset, and which lacked equipment, training, logistics, arms and ammunition, etc.

    Georgia was a walk-through only because the Georgians lost their nerve and quite frankly weren't ready.

    Russia has improved since Chechnya, but it's a very low bar...

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    CIA predicted 1983 this. The whole document is good reading concerning present day situation.

    http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/defaul...7/19831230.pdf
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    Default Russia: Deployable Combat Soldiers

    According to the folks over at StrategyPage, Russia can only count on some 100K soldiers among its regular army (contract volunteers) and various military and internal troops' spetsnaz units.

    This would mean that in any purely conventional scenario, the US could deploy more effective ground forces on an expeditionary basis against the Russians than the latter could deploy on a defensive basis.

    Basically, without nuclear weapons, Russia could not halt a determined peer adversary such as NATO or China. Thoughts?

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