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    Quote Originally Posted by William F. Owen View Post
    Yep. All things it did in 1917 or 18. It's an infantry support weapon, and it has never progressed from being "a covered field gun," which is what it does best.
    Uh...not really, at least in terms of "being able to do those things" in 1917 or 1918. I would say that the tank was (at best) in its infancy during WW 1 and didn't attain the majority of the capabilities mentioned by TAH until World War 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Blair View Post
    Uh...not really, at least in terms of "being able to do those things" in 1917 or 1918. I would say that the tank was (at best) in its infancy during WW 1 and didn't attain the majority of the capabilities mentioned by TAH until World War 2.
    The tanks in WW2 were more capable, but there were few "new capabilities," bar the specialist engineer vehicles.
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    ...on armored warfare in WWII: http://www.cgsc.edu/carl/resources/csi/gabel/gabel.asp

    I thought it was an interesting article. I don't know how it applies to small wars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William F. Owen View Post
    The tanks in WW2 were more capable, but there were few "new capabilities," bar the specialist engineer vehicles.
    You may be right on a very, very abstract level, but you're completely wrong on a technical level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuchs View Post
    You may be right on a very, very abstract level, but you're completely wrong on a technical level.
    Sure, tanks of WW2 were technically very different, but when used correctly, they did things known to work in WW1. The Conceptual use stayed very coherent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William F. Owen View Post
    Sure, tanks of WW2 were technically very different, but when used correctly, they did things known to work in WW1. The Conceptual use stayed very coherent.
    ...except that they as similar to each other as were medieval knights to Celtic nobles.

    The WW2 tanks were - with exception of assault guns, tank destroyers and infantry tanks - an operational enabler while it was merely a moving pillbox for tactical support in WW1. All WW1 tanks - even the Whippet - were either infantry tanks or carrier vehicles.

    I fail to see that 'conceptual use' in a Tiger2, Chaffee, Pzkpfw III or T-34.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William F. Owen View Post
    Sure, tanks of WW2 were technically very different, but when used correctly, they did things known to work in WW1. The Conceptual use stayed very coherent.
    In WWI, you find some tanks armed only with MGs (the "females"), a mobile pillbox/machine gun next.

    This idea/concept carried forward into early (39/40/41) with a number of countries fielding a number of models of tanks armed only with MGs.

    The idea/concept of an MBT is an outgrowth from WWII. No more, infantry & cruiser tanks, no more light, medium & heavy tanks.

    Today, recon vehicles and IFVs serve in the WWII light tank role, recon, screening etc. medium & heavy are merged into the MBT. The function of infantry support or cruiser now comes from organization not some much from the individual tank itself.

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