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Old 10-29-2014   #1041
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Default Britain’s Fourth Afghan War

An analysis by RUSI's Director, Michael Clarke:https://www.rusi.org/analysis/commen.../#.VFFbWGet0dX

It starts with - in the sub-title:
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This week, UK Armed Forces formally ended combat operations in Helmand. British troops return from Afghanistan not with a victory, but a score draw away from home; a job well done in unpropitious circumstances.

(Ends with) It’s not a peace to be celebrated in Trafalgar Square. But nor is it dishonourable or a source of national humiliation.
I do not agree with his conclusions. Nor his optimism that the USA regards the UK military, maybe the nation, in the same way it did in 2001.
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Old 10-29-2014   #1042
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David,

I think you guys are still sore at us for that little event that happened in 1776, because we Yanks are not allowed access. However, YouTube to the rescue, for now at least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMP8O_pIMxE

Apparently this is named after a book reference the Suez incident (another thing you guys may still be sore about)

http://www.amazon.com/The-Lions-Last.../dp/0060108584
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Old 10-29-2014   #1043
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Bill,

I doubt anyone at the BBC remembers 1776, even 1956. We can be quite forgiving you know. Few recalled we'd burnt down The White House two hundred years ago.
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A commentary by retired General Dannatt, :Link:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...tter-life.html

There are some odd passages, notably over the Helmand deployment in 2006, for example:As the UK & USA have handed over Camp Bastion to the ANSF, the BBC has a series of articles. Within one is this poignant comment:Plus a radio programme next month by a Major General Mackay who resigned after his command tour, I shall listen and report back.

Link:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29744972
Dannet's article is interesting on a number of points. I will confine myself to two:

"From 2006 until the arrival of a large US contingent in Helmand in 2010, British operations, despite the heroic endeavours of successive Brigade groups, were always constrained by lack of manpower on the ground. The operational design to clear areas of Taliban, to hold them securely and then build, in partnership with the local population, a more stable community for the future was sound, but hobbled through lack of manpower."

Why have an operational design that was not resourced? You either resource your plan or amendthe plan to the level of resources allocated.

I am not sure an effective ANSF of 300,000 is necessarily force for stability if (as is reported) this is an unsustainable strength. Who is going to pay them?

I will see if I can master technology sufficiently to see and listen to the BBC!
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Old 10-30-2014   #1045
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Default A reply to Britain's Fourth Afghan War

Yesterday I posted an analysis by Michael Clarke, RUSI's Director. This is my reply.

His final two sentences should be read again: ' It’s not a peace to be celebrated in Trafalgar Square. But nor is it dishonourable or a source of national humiliation'.

The end of the UK military campaign in Afghanistan, principally in Helmand Province, has not left that country at peace. If you look hard the Taliban have been successful in returning to control towns already in Helmand's "Green Zone" (alongside gains elsewhere). Often in towns and villages where ISAF took casualties and expended a lot of gold.

It is far too early to judge whether our nation's sacrifices in Helmand are only very temporary gains for the government and people of Afghanistan. Perhaps next year we shall look back and see that the Taliban have been kept at bay.

Dishonourable? Few doubt the commitment and sacrifice made by those who served in Afghanistan, but it is clear a good number of veterans have already asked was "mowing the lawn" really a national necessity. That is why a number of army officers resigned, a few who went onto write books.

Did we as a society dishonour those who served, civil and military, maybe at times we did. Did our national politicians dishonour them? Yes, yes. Whether it was the lack of resources for years (helicopters for example), the deployment in 2006 itself and the absence of political control over the key local command decision to spread troops thinner in "platoon houses" which is one example now in the public domain.

Afghanistan 'a sustainable democracy and a better economy' - really? It is an economy addicted to foreign aid, measured in US$ billions - more than all of Western Europe got in Marshall Aid after 1945. A nation that cannot itself fund its own military. Once the thousands of foreigners exit the only booming industry? Opium poppy cultivation and then heroin production!

A steadfast, capable ally for the USA? Well Whitehall-Westminster may think the 'Special Relationship' is unaffected by the American re-assessment of the British contribution in Iraq and Afghanistan they are fools. We are NO longer seen as a capable ally, for some Beltway insiders Australia is a better ally.

We rightly went to war in 2001; along with virtually every NATO country we were distracted by Iraq for five years and allowed ourselves to dream that Afghanistan could be rebuilt as a nation with an effective national government. Then for reasons of national pride we deployed not to Kandahar Province, but to Helmand Province - a "backwater" in my opinion. Once I heard at RUSI it explained as the Canadians were already there we had to go elsewhere; that they were an ally seemed to have been lost. Or that Kandahar is of far greater strategic value.

Sadly today my judgement is that our Fourth Afghan War is a national humiliation.
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A comment by an academic, Andrew Mumford, 'Legacies of the War in Afghanistan':http://nottspolitics.org/2014/11/03/...n-afghanistan/

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There was unwillingness within the highest echelons of the British military and political establishment to face up to the difficulties of prosecuting a complex counter-insurgency war in a country that had never been successfully occupied by outside forces. Senior British officers were chastened by the House of Commons Defence Select Committee in July 2011 for ‘moderating the demands of commanders in the field’ when briefing ministers on the Afghan war. This led to a situation whereby the unwarranted optimism of the highest ranks ‘denied the necessary support to carry out the mission from the outset’. The lack of a consistent campaign narrative and chronic equipment shortages were also factors cited by the committee as failings of the British war effort.
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A short, anonymous commentary 'The UK Military: Lessons from the Fourth Anglo–Afghan War 2001–2014':http://goglobalmedia.com/the-uk-mili...war-2001-2014/

To which one UK Army officer stated:
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Flawed and confused in part, but analysis of where issues are is good.
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Watched episodes 1 & 2. Before this, I have watched two earlier documentaries covering some what similar subject. Both are on youtube if anyone is interested.

Afghanistan -The Battle For Helmand:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR6-ZAn5nKc (Added this appears to be a BBC documentary by Mark Urban, probably made in 2011 and lasts just under one hour).

Pathfinders- Into The Heart of Afghanistan:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXL05kuICyg (Added this is a Sky documentary from 2013 and lasts around 45 minutes)

I think British withdrawal and less than commendable operations, as Bruce Ridel put it, signifies the end of British as a global military power and lieutenant of the US.

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Old 11-11-2014   #1049
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Default Afghanistan The Lion's Last Roar Episode 2

Episode Two is on: 1) BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...roar-episode-2

2) YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z79oUhIcmiM

For those without time to watch, this is the BBC News written summary:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29714738

Apologies for the delay in posting the links.
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Old 11-18-2014   #1050
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@davidbfpo, thanks for the links. I was too lazy to do so.
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A review article on four current books on the UK in Afghanistan, by a British writer who went there himself and who is not a military journalist, so he is rather direct:http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n24/james-m...-than-a-defeat
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Old 12-16-2014   #1052
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Default Ministers 'didn't know Tornado from torpedo' over Afghan strategy

The former diplomat and at one time the British 'special rep' to Afghanistan-Pakistan, Sir Sherard Cowper-Coles, has added a few pithy phrases on the political-military relationshipat a session of the House of Commons DEfence Select Committee:
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The lack of military knowledge among politicians meant they found the Armed Forces’ plans and jargon-filled briefings incomprehensible and could not question their strategy.

His actual words were: There were times in Afghanistan that I felt both in the Ministry of Defence and across Whitehall civil servants civilian advisers to ministers and their political masters did not show the moral courage, the intellectual courage they needed sometimes to challenge advice from the Armed Forces. At times and in places one saw military advice to ministers which was driven by a military view of the situation which was not necessarily the same as what the wider national interest might or might not be.
Link:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-strategy.html
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As the new NATO mission arrives, as part of the reflections upon 2014 for the UK, The Guardian columnist, Will Hutton (not known for his comments IIRC on Afghanistan) has a column and the headline & sub-title indicate his viewpoint:
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Right-of-centre ideology has lost us the war in Afghanistan and much more besides The ignominious retreat from Afghanistan is emblematic of a wider malaise that is afflicting Britain today

Link:http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...te-and-country

Sadly I agree with some of his points:
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The truth is inescapable: we are no longer a great economic, technological or military power..... If one aim was to make the British homeland safer by victory in southern Afghanistan – a fantastical claim of last resort – Britain is now less safe. More widely, our failure in Helmand, following on from the disaster in Basra where our forces were beaten back to the airbase outside the city and only the intervention of the US army allowed an orderly exit, has led to America’s profound re-evaluation of our usefulness as an ally.
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