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Old 01-06-2017   #1
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North Korea got 2017 off to a menacing start. In his New Year's address, supreme leader Kim Jong Un warned that the nation was in the "final stage" of preparations to test an intercontinental ballistic missile.
A day later, President-elect Donald Trump said the North would never develop a nuclear weapon capable of striking the U.S. "It won't happen!" Trump tweeted.
Bombast aside, independent arms control experts agree that North Korea is moving rapidly to develop an ICBM. And many suspect it will test a missile capable of reaching the continental U.S. later this year.
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallel...oming-together

'Alibi fire' from March.

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Washington (CNN)Some U.S. intelligence analysts now believe that North Korea "probably" possesses a miniaturized nuclear warhead, several U.S. officials told CNN.
The assessment has yet to become a formal consensus view of the U.S. government. But it reveals just how far along many in the U.S. believe the reclusive country has come to gaining a nuclear-tipped ballistic missile that could potentially strike the U.S.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/24/politi...clear-warhead/

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When these sorts of ideas are entertained by CSIS panelists, you can be assured that this is no joke.

Perhaps this is a message to Beijing that it needs to come to Jesus?
Color me cynical and brace for stupid#### happening
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If you set a red line on chemical weapons and don't enforce it, that lesson isn't only taken by Assad:
http://henryjacksonsociety.org/2017/...s-steps-back/#
VX used by NK for example in killing an opponent...

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Police have arrested four people linked to the murder, including two women who allegedly carried out the attack, and are seeking four North Koreans whom they believe fled to Pyongyang on the day Kim Jong Nam was killed. Authorities also want to question a diplomat at the North Korean embassy in Kuala Lumpur, an employee at Air Koryo, and a North Korean living in Malaysia for three years.
The female suspects were trained to swipe the poison on the victim’s face, and knew the substance was toxic, Inspector-General of Police Khalid Abu Bakar said on Wednesday, dismissing reports that they were involved in a television prank. They had practiced at a couple of shopping malls in Kuala Lumpur, and were instructed to wash their hands after the attack, he said.
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(Reuters) - The bizarre assassination of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un's estranged half-brother marks a departure from the isolated country's repertoire of overseas operations, according to experts on its opaque ruling structures. Kim Jong Nam died last week after being assaulted at the airport in the Malaysian capital with what police believe was a fast-acting poison. The two women who authorities say assaulted him, one Indonesian and the other who carried...

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South Korea has said that it believes the assassination was coordinated by a shadowy North Korean agency called the Reconnaissance General Bureau (RGB).
The RGB is North Korea's "premier intelligence organization", according to the United Nations, which sanctioned it in March last year for its role in North Korea's arms trade.
But given the high profile of Kim, who had spoken out publicly against his family's dynastic control, his murder could have been a joint operation between different agencies, said Michael Madden, an expert on the North Korean leadership.
"The RGB is just one of many possibilities. It will take another week at least to pinpoint the organizations involved," said Madden.
On Wednesday, Malaysian police arrested 47-year-old Ri Jong Chol, a North Korean who had a Malaysian work visa for a small herbal medicine firm and lived in Kuala Lumpur with his wife and two children.
The use of North Koreans based overseas like Ri has the hallmarks of an operation by elite spy training unit "Office 35", said Jang Jin-sung, a defector who had worked in the United Front Department of the Workers' Party, which along with Office 35, is an espionage unit within the ruling party.

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Another country's President says "You're fired!"

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SEOUL—North Korean leader Kim Jong Un executed at least five senior officials in the country’s Ministry of State Security using antiaircraft guns, the head of South Korea’s intelligence services told lawmakers on Monday.

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Mr. Lee said that all eight North Koreans involved in the killing of Mr. Kim were working for Pyongyang’s Ministry of State Security, foreign ministry or for state-affiliated companies, recruiting the two women who carried out the killing. One of the eight, Ri Jong Chol, is in the custody of Malaysian authorities, while the others are still at large.
During the Monday briefing, Mr. Lee said that the five senior security officials who had been executed with antiaircraft guns had been working under Kim Won Hong, North Korea’s former top security chief, who was purged last month.
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(CNN)North Korea fired four ballistic missiles early Monday morning in what Japan's leader described as "an extremely dangerous action."
A fifth missile failed to launch, a US official told CNN.
Military authorities in South Korea, Japan and the United States all confirmed the launch of four projectiles, which traveled almost 1,000 kilometers (620 miles) towards the Sea of Japan, also known as the East Sea. One US official said they were intermediate-range missiles.

Three landed inside Japan's exclusive economic zone, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said, which extends 200 nautical miles from its coastline, according to international maritime law.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/05/asia/n...ile/index.html
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Sirens blared and loudspeakers broadcast warnings in Japan's first civilian missile evacuation drill on Friday, conducted in a fishing town by officials wary about the threat of North Korean missiles.
The exercise comes more than a week after North Korea launched four ballistic missiles into the sea off Japan's northwest coast, with one rocket landing about 200 km (124 miles)from the town of Oga.
Friday's drill played out a scenario in which North Korea had fired a ballistic missile on the Japanese islands
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-no...KBN16O0TG?il=0

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Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said the U.S. is considering “all options” to counter North Korea’s nuclear threat while criticizing China over moves to block a missile-defense system on the peninsula.
In some of his most detailed comments yet on North Korea, Tillerson ruled out a negotiated freeze of its nuclear weapons program and called for a wider alliance to counter Kim Jong Un’s regime. He also left the military option on the table if the North Korean threat gets too large.
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...st-north-korea
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North Korea fired a test missile Wednesday morning, but the launch failed, U.S. and South Korean officials have confirmed.
"U.S. Pacific Command detected what we assess was a failed North Korean missile launch attempt the morning of March 22 in Korea (12:49 PM Hawaii-time,) in the vicinity of Kalma," said Commander David Benham, a spokesman for U.S. Pacific Command. "A missile appears to have exploded within seconds of launch. We are working with our Interagency partners on a more detailed assessment. We continue to monitor North Korea's actions closely."
South Korea's Ministry of Defense also confirmed the failed launch. A ministry spokesman initially said four missiles were fired, but he later corrected that figure, saying it was one missile.
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Azor...BTW...I am far more concerned about going to war in Korean than Syria.

BREAKING: US prepared to launch conventional military strike on North Korea if country moves towards nuclear test, according to US officials

As someone who has exercised the Korean war scenario a number of times...you do not want to hear how it starts...how it develops and then how it might in fact end...

Anyone who tells you that we are the "winners" needs to have their head seriously examined....a number of times actually...

It will be hard..brutal and high loss numbers and in the end potential go nuclear...

If NK lined up their artillery on the border and just fired artillery all day long ...Seoul would no loner be on the map...just as starters and then we can move onto NK SOF moves south.....AND that is not nuclear....

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Azor...BTW...I am far more concerned about going to war in Korean than Syria.

BREAKING: US prepared to launch conventional military strike on North Korea if country moves towards nuclear test, according to US officials

As someone who has exercised the Korean war scenario a number of times...you do not want to hear how it starts...how it develops and then how it might in fact end...

Anyone who tells you that we are the "winners" needs to have their head seriously examined....a number of times actually...

It will be hard..brutal and high loss numbers and in the end potential go nuclear...

If NK lined up their artillery on the border and just fired artillery all day long ...Seoul would no loner be on the map...just as starters and then we can move onto NK SOF moves south.....AND that is not nuclear....

Enjoy the Goldman Sachs neocon WH that is exactly what Trump voters have gotten and actually I tend to agree with these accusations by the alt right that massively supported Trump and who have turned against him...they at least "see his shift".....
DOES DoD want to deliberately heat up Korea to a level they themselves can no longer control?

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The Pentagon on Thursday declined to comment on an NBC report about possible pre-emptive action against North Korea, saying, as a policy, it does not discuss future operations "nor publicly speculate on possible scenarios."
"Commanders are always considering a full range of options to protect against any contingencies," Dana White, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said in a statement. Reuters had queried the Pentagon about the report.
"Our commitment to the defense of our allies, including the Republic of Korea and Japan, in the face of potential threats, remains steadfast."
If your intention is to draw attention to NK but one level just under full war...they deny the report...NOT side step it thus reinforcing the image that the US is fully prepared to go to war....

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DOES DoD want to deliberately heat up Korea to a level they themselves can no longer control?



If your intention is to draw attention to NK but one level just under full war...they deny the report...NOT side step it thus reinforcing the image that the US is fully prepared to go to war....
We are rapidly reaching that point in time...China has never released since the Korean War such a statement....and then under "Breaking"...evidently they feel the nuclear test will be used by the US as a reason to physically strike NK nuclear/missile facilities...

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#BREAKING 'Conflict could break out at any moment' over North Korea: China

BREAKING: North Korea's vice foreign minister tells the AP it will conduct next nuclear test whenever supreme headquarters sees fit.

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Right now am not so sure Syria and Ukraine are the hot spots......

North korea: #Japan making plans to evacuate 60,000 citizens from #South Korea and to deal with a refugee crisis.

Russia reportedly moved military vehicles (Air Def) toward Vladivostok not far from the border w/ North Korea
https://already-happened.com/2017/04...a-this-night/#

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I don't see the incentive in DPRK responding to US threats by demobilizing or dismantling its nuclear program. Their rhetoric has made perfectly clear that the examples of Iraq and Libya surrendering their WMD only to be swiftly destroyed by the US are at the forefront of their justification. And the latest strike in Syria is not a good template for the US to use in response to any DPRK nuclear test - it will only show US impotence and possibly start a general war.
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I don't see the incentive in DPRK responding to US threats by demobilizing or dismantling its nuclear program. Their rhetoric has made perfectly clear that the examples of Iraq and Libya surrendering their WMD only to be swiftly destroyed by the US are at the forefront of their justification. And the latest strike in Syria is not a good template for the US to use in response to any DPRK nuclear test - it will only show US impotence and possibly start a general war.
Well, hold on. Iraq never surrendered its nuclear weapons program; on the contrary, it ran out of resources due to the disastrous wars in Iran and Kuwait.

The countries that did dismantle their nuclear programs or weapons are:
  1. South Africa
  2. Ukraine
  3. Belarus
  4. Kazakhstan
  5. Libya

Of these, Libya was invaded less than eight years after it abandoned its nuclear weapons program in return for normalized relations, and Ukraine was invaded and partitioned nineteen years after surrendering the nuclear weapons in its possession.

The fact that these gentleman's or non-binding agreements were violated by key guarantors is not lost on Iran, North Korea, Pakistan or even Syria.
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"Wag the Dog" has now gotten out of control......

You know things have gotten upside down when China is urging calm and sounds like the most reasonable voice in the room.

Two uses of air strikes against countries that cannot defend themselves and now one who can fight back, has nuclear weapons and can flatten Seoul within hours and Trump is off golfing today?

From today's NK military parade....WHILE Trump is off golfing....

Generally speaking, this is not what you want to see North Korea military experts tweet while watching North Korea military parades.

Melissa Hanham‏#
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OOOOOOH FUUUUUUUC..........
Azor......

Goes to the above comment....

"We’re totally floored right now...I was not expecting to see this many new missile designs.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/north-k...etter_axiosam#


So was the MOAB a "Wag the Dog moment"????? It definitely did not impress the NKs.....

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Time to drag out those twin 23mm AA guns and dispatch another Project Manager.

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North Korea attempted a new missile launch from an eastern coastal city early Sunday, but the operation ended in failure shortly after launch, U.S. and South Korean officials said.
It was not clear whether it was a long-range ballistic missile, but the attempted launch in South Hamkyung Province, around Sinpo, was a clear sign of the secretive country’s continuing attempts to develop an aggressive weapons program.
U.S. Pacific Command said it detected a missile at about 6:20 a.m. Korean time. The device apparently “blew up almost instantly,” Cmdr. Dave Benham, a command spokesman, said in a statement.The type of missile is still unknown, he said.
http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la...017-story.html
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Another "Wag the Dog moment" coming care of the Trump WH...........

BREAKING: UK officials say Trump Administration believes it can 'utterly destroy' the installations key to North Korea's nuclear threat

China doesn't like North Korea's wild behavior either. But it also fears collapse & reunification:
http://social.stratfor.com/w4zY30aT3le

So what will China do if in fact Trump air/missile strikes NK????

Side with NK naturally....

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WaPo has an article assessing the missiles plus shown yesterday and notes the tubes content is unknown. It relies on Jeffrey Lewis aka @ArmsControlWonk and cites his colleague, Melissa Hanham who authored the "Oooh" tweet.

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Solid fuel is very significant because they can launch these missiles much faster and with a smaller entourage than with #liquid-fueled missiles, making them much harder for the United States, South Korea and Japan to spot from satellites.
Link:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ff-one-by-one/
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WaPo has an article assessing the missiles plus shown yesterday and notes the tubes content is unknown. It relies on Jeffrey Lewis aka @ArmsControlWonk and cites his colleague, Melissa Hanham who authored the "Oooh" tweet.

She noted:Link:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ff-one-by-one/
David,

I think there is a measure of sensationalism at work here.

There are no indications that these new designs are anything other than cosmetic revisions or that they even work. As for the DPRK's dalliance with solid-fuel, note that even Russia still retains dozens of liquid-fuel ICBMs (UR-100N).

I would imagine that Russian, Chinese, U.S., Japanese and Korean intelligence are all aware of North Korea's capabilities, irrespective of what they put on parade.

These analysts are helpful, but they are not privy to secret intelligence and rely on OSINT as much as the rest of us.
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BTW...the "Wag the Dog" theory is gaining ground now ....a well known former US ambassador to SK stated yesterday...."Trump is trying to out do NK" in his attempt to make his image look like that of a hardnosed US leader.....

He went on to state..."you cannot outdo NK with NK like actions"....it will always end in failure as NK is the only country truly prepared for war from the very first minute you engage them....there is no other country on this earth like that...

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Trump has responded with heated rhetoric and military maneuvering that has many wondering how far he'll go to counter an aggressive Pyongyang.
But Hill warned the president is not in a position to "bluff."
"Great powers can't really bluff," Hill added. "So when you talk in those terms, you've got to be prepared to back it up. And I guess that's what worries people the most."
"Certainly it makes people nervous when they're not quite sure what he means by it," Hill said.
BTW...check the Russian TV rant I posted here from yesterday...I have never seen such a Russia media blast in the last 30 odd years...Russia is angry.....really angry at Trump....and that rant yesterday was personal and aimed directly at Trump and his family. BTW...Russian media speaks what is allowed by the government not vice versa....so we got yesterday Putin talking to Trump directly via TV....

SO do the Russians actually have compromising information on him and felt he would swing their way....this reaction from yesterday says YES they do have materials....and just might be n the edge of releasing them and burning Trump...

What many do not know is that Russians both personal friends and the government have memories like elephants....they never forget something even if years ago....

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You do not play a game of "chicken" with a country capable of striking back at you and your allies.....especially if they have 11 completed nuclear devices and one could be targeted against Japan as his shorter range missiles function well and have the range ...NK can hit Japan was well with CWs and they can flatten Seoul in a few hours just with normal artillery....

Trump Is Willing to Consider a Sudden Strike on North Koreahttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...h-korea-moves#

Trump got away with his TLSM strike because Russia did not actively counter the inbound TLAMs nor was Assad able to strike back.....

As an indicator of something coming down the proverbial highway......

The departures board at Pyongyang airport just went dark. Been waiting here 8 hours. No word about what's going on

REMEMBER Chia also cancelled all flight to and from NK today several days ago....so what is it they did not tell Trump in FL?????


North Korea is the only country China has promised by treaty to defend (and it is probably regretting that promise a little).

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