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Old 12-21-2016   #221
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BREAKING: German state minister says security agencies have identified Berlin attack suspect as being in contact with Islamist network

German FBI is indicating that the driver was under suspicion of planning and attack but the investigation was stopped as they had no concrete evidence in order to charge him....

He had been the target of tight surveillance as a suspected terrorist but was lost as he was constantly changing his town of residence ....and moving daily

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Reminder: in March 2016 Kremlin's Sergey Markov announced terrorists attacks in Berlin in case if Merkel doesn't cave in to Putn's demands

[B]Actually an interesting comment from March 2016 as IS has not claimed this attack yet...and they should have been far faster if it was indeed IS.....
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After the horrible Berlin attack, Kremlin disinformation ops started to run full-scale assault.
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UPDATE: The Polish driver of the long haul truck parked it at a construction site at 1500 because the steel parts were for this construction site on the day of the attack....and then went to eat...
Something is not normal about this attack...the Tunisian who is being manhurted for had contacts to various radical jihadist individuals and groups in Germany BUT not to definitively not IS....

IS did not name him in their claiming statement which is not normal for them...almost as they really did not know who the attacker was AND now the hacking attack not your standard IS TPP.........

If we take the Russian voiced threat seriously from Mar 2016 could this actually have been a false flag attack using a radicalized Muslim refugee?

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German police search migrant shelter near Netherlands border: media
http://www.geo.tv/latest/124504-Germ...-border-media#
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German government is serious about arresting him....they just released a 100,000 Euro reward for any tip leading to his arrest and or those that supported him........

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This amount of money will definitely loosen tongues in the refugee and general population....wanted photos being spread all across Germany and in every major Germany city...countries bordering Germany have instituted border checks of all vehicles...trains and or buses....

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Paris operatives did same. 2 interned in Cyprus because the 'Iraqi' couldn't speak Arabic and the 'Syrian' couldn't find Aleppo on a map.
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BBC News - Berlin truck attack suspect: What do we know?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38396987#

Berlin terror suspect said to have moved within Abu Walaa's circle. Who's he?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37906960#
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Fake news outlet @SputnikInt yet again turns to far-right racist party to attack western policy.
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Something is not normal about this attack...the Tunisian who is being manhurted for had contacts to various radical jihadist individuals and groups in Germany BUT not to definitively not IS....

IS did not name him in their claiming statement which is not normal for them...almost as they really did not know who the attacker was AND now the hacking attack not your standard IS TPP.........

If we take the Russian voiced threat seriously from Mar 2016 could this actually have been a false flag attack using a radicalized Muslim refugee?
Why do non-suicide ISIS terrorists tend to leave their passports on the crime scene? This makes no sense. First in Paris, now in Berlin.

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Why do non-suicide ISIS terrorists tend to leave their passports on the crime scene? This makes no sense. First in Paris, now in Berlin.
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The wish for martyrdom I think. Plus if they escape from the scene the publicity for a known suspect amplifies the message.

IIRC in the 7/7 suicide bombings in London (in 2005) at least one suspect was carrying personal ID, which accelerated the investigation and quickly id'd the "bomb factory" @ Leeds.
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Something is not normal about this attack...the Tunisian who is being manhurted for had contacts to various radical jihadist individuals and groups in Germany BUT not to definitively not IS....

IS did not name him in their claiming statement which is not normal for them...almost as they really did not know who the attacker was AND now the hacking attack not your standard IS TPP.........

If we take the Russian voiced threat seriously from Mar 2016 could this actually have been a false flag attack using a radicalized Muslim refugee?
Are you saying that Russia would stage a terrorist attack in Berlin in order to ensure Merkel's electoral defeat?

Are you serious?

To what end? Sanctions relief? Is there no other way for Putin to weaken European resolve over Ukraine other than potentially triggering an Article V response if discovered? Certainly, Merkel couldn't keep quiet if this was state terror...
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The wish for martyrdom I think. Plus if they escape from the scene the publicity for a known suspect amplifies the message.

IIRC in the 7/7 suicide bombings in London (in 2005) at least one suspect was carrying personal ID, which accelerated the investigation and quickly id'd the "bomb factory" @ Leeds.
Thanks David.

I'm afraid that there is some denial about Muslim supremacist terrorism here. I add the "supremacist" label, because that is what it is. We don't call white supremacist terrorism "white terrorism" now do we?

Accusing Russia of a false flag attack does nothing to change the fact that there is a supremacist strain within Islam (up to 4%), that is growing, speaking for all Muslims, suppressing dissent within Islam and from which jihadis come.

The Western approach to Muslim supremacism is akin to letting Christian Identity off the hook out of "religious tolerance".
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Thanks David.

I'm afraid that there is some denial about Muslim supremacist terrorism here. I add the "supremacist" label, because that is what it is. We don't call white supremacist terrorism "white terrorism" now do we?

Accusing Russia of a false flag attack does nothing to change the fact that there is a supremacist strain within Islam (up to 4%), that is growing, speaking for all Muslims, suppressing dissent within Islam and from which jihadis come.

The Western approach to Muslim supremacism is akin to letting Christian Identity off the hook out of "religious tolerance".
Azor.....I am sick and tired of comments such as these coming from what people call an educated man (Mr Trump)......who thinks he is smart and does not need intel briefings because he is smart....

TRUMP......
Trump Suggests Berlin Attack Affirms His Plan to Bar Muslims

WHAT Trump did not apparently know is how tight the German government had him under surveillance and was attempting to deport him...BUT naturally Trump being smarter than Germans knew this already...


Statistically seen every known ethnic community has at least 1% of the group that is violent in some form and YES that includes Americans.

The German BKA and MAD had this guy under tight surveillance for exactly 180 days...which is the longest possible under German law...leftover from Hitler days to protect the common man.....during that period they had info he was going to rob something in order to get money for weapons.......nothing happened in those 180 days and they were forced to stop surveillance.

The Germans are having a problem confirming the past history of those that came into Germany.....remember this is 2016 not 1980 when the Allies controlled Berlin and every single person arriving in Berlin went through a serious security check even escaping GDR Border Guards....

This attacker was from a deep Salafist area inside Tunisian.....and only after this attack did the Tunisians do an interrogation of his family.

Germany was ready to deport him and had him under surveillance BUT Tunisia refused to accept him back into the country....THEREIN lies the core problem.....the native countries for jihadists/common criminals do not want them back....

The second problem is that no government not even the US government can tell you exactly what someone thinks in their own mind if they say nothing...we are not at the mind control stage....YET.....

I am still standing by my comment...this is/was not your common typical IS attack.....truck jacking used...kidnapping used....knife and gun used....someone had to have helped with the jacking....and he fled instead of "dying in the name of god"............

AND this is critical...WHILE IS claimed it they did not name the attacker...they used the term "fighter"....which loosely means he identified with us but was not one of us....in jihadi speak....

There have been multiple raids late last night against known Salafists....do not think for a moment German security agencies do not know their opponents....

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THIS is just how pathetic the new incoming US president thinks and acts...BUT WAIT did he not state for the record he is smarter than yes even his intel briefers.....

He is dangerous and will cause the clash of civilizations if he is not careful with his statements and actions towards Muslims in general.....

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President-elect Donald Trump emerged from his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Fla., on Wednesday afternoon to briefly address questions from reporters about this week’s deadly attacks in Europe. And Trump appeared to stand by his plan for both a temporary ban on Muslims entering the United States and the creation of a registry of Muslims who live here.

Trump was asked whether Monday’s violence in Germany#and Turkey had caused him to “rethink or reevaluate” his plan to create a Muslim registry or a ban on Muslim immigration.

“You know my plans,” Trump replied. “All along, I’ve been proven to be right — 100 percent correct. What’s happening is disgraceful.”

Following the 2015 terror attacks in Paris, Trump called for a temporary ban on all Muslims entering the United States, a database tracking American Muslims, and expanded surveillance of “certain” mosques. But following sharp criticism from both Democrats and Republicans, he#appeared to soften his stance, saying the proposals were “just a suggestion until we find out what’s going on.”

In June, after the deadly mass shooting at Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Fla., Trump said the profiling of U.S. Muslims might be part of his counterterrorism plan.

Members of his transition team have since stated that they intend to suspend immigration from “regions where it cannot be safely processed or vetted” and impose “extreme vetting” on immigrants who are allowed to enter the United States.

Some Trump aides and advisers have suggested that the proposed database of the U.S. Muslim population will not in fact be created, but the proposal for the ban remains on the Trump campaign website and it’s unclear which statements reflect the incoming administration’s current thinking.

Following Monday’s truck attack on a Christmas market in Berlin, Trump issued a statement suggesting ISIS had carried out the attack as part of its continued “slaughter” of Christians in “their global jihad.”

But on Wednesday, Trump appeared to be unaware of his own on-paper assertion that Christians were the target.

“Who said that?” Trump said.

“I believe you said it in a press release,” one of the pool reporters replied. “I’m wondering how this might affect relations with Muslims.”

“It’s an attack on humanity,” Trump replied. “That’s what it is. An attack on humanity, and it’s got to be stopped.”
SO WHEN Trump starts a war with Muslims...will he remember exactly what he previously said..as it appears that he cannot remember anything from day to day.

WE the US had a WW2 registry when we placed all US Japanese citizens into internment camps.....a stain that have never been erased .....AND we the US tried it again after 9/11 but it failed as well......AND Trump and his advisors ALL know this......

IS the new Muslim registry similar to the Jews being forced in Germany to wear the yellow Star of David on their clothes.....????

THIS is what Trump does not fully understand about Berlin.......

On Tuesday a Syrian refugee father and his 14 year old son were attacked and being beaten by a group of four neo Nazi's as they were approaching their refugee center.....

A group of teenagers 7...boys and girls from the local low income blue collar neighborhood then jumped into the fray and started beating on the neo Nazi's after calling the police for help......

SEVEN teenagers NON Muslim in a blue collar neighborhood stood up and defend Syrian refugees .........AND they were as Trump stated Christians......

NOW what would Trump say to that.....?????

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UPDATE.....there have been NYTs reports that the wanted attacker had been on a no fly US list and had been on the internet searching for bomb making information....NONE of this passed to German security services....WHY NOT...???

THERE has been comments ALSO coming out of the US that German should have been surveilling him totally...and why did they lose him.......

Currently German security services carry a total of 550 on a list of potentially dangerous Islamists.....

In order to conduct round the clock total surveillance on these 550 individuals it would require a total of 15,000 well trained surveillance personnel....and that does not count their work against organized crime...ongoing at the same time as well as the standard espionage cases that require surveillance teams.

BTW....the German government had wanted to deport the attacker in July 2016 but could not as the Tunisian government would not issue a valid Tunisian passport in order to be deport under German law...

SUDDENLY after the attack and his being identified as Tunisian....SUDDENLY the passport arrived yesterday.....

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THIS is just how pathetic the new incoming US president thinks and acts...BUT WAIT did he not state for the record he is smarter than yes even his intel briefers.....

He is dangerous and will cause the clash of civilizations if he is not careful with his statements and actions towards Muslims in general.....



SO WHEN Trump starts a war with Muslims...will he remember exactly what he previously said..as it appears that he cannot remember anything from day to day.

WE the US had a WW2 registry when we placed all US Japanese citizens into internment camps.....a stain that have never been erased .....AND we the US tried it again after 9/11 but it failed as well......AND Trump and his advisors ALL know this......

IS the new Muslim registry similar to the Jews being forced in Germany to wear the yellow Star of David on their clothes.....????

THIS is what Trump does not fully understand about Berlin.......

On Tuesday a Syrian refugee father and his 14 year old son were attacked and being beaten by a group of four neo Nazi's as they were approaching their refugee center.....

A group of teenagers 7...boys and girls from the local low income blue collar neighborhood then jumped into the fray and started beating on the neo Nazi's after calling the police for help......

SEVEN teenagers NON Muslim in a blue collar neighborhood stood up and defended Syrian refugees .........AND they were as Trump stated Christians......

NOW what would Trump say to that.....?????
If Trump spoke German....maybe he would not have said what he did about the Berlin attack......he certainly does not understand that a vast majority of Germans do in fact support the refugees being in Germany...what some did/do not like is the hectic way it was done.....and the neo right plays the race card as did Trump and his surrogates and he still does....with a statement like this above....

THIS was given top location in a major Berlin newspaper this morning and it actually sums up the typical Berlin mentality to the attack that Trump will never get.....Berlin is a tough gritty blue collar acting major European city with a certain upscale flair not seen in other European capitals...and with it's own mind set.

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Passt mal auf, ihr Radikal-Spinner: Das heir is Berlin. WIR sind Berlin....Manche von uns sind Turken....Oder Russen. Oder Amerikaner. Pakistani, ja!!! Oder sogar Baden-Wuettemberger.

Angst vor Euch?!. Dream on, Puss....s!. Ihr koennt uns mal!
Another example...last night the neo right group AfD tried to play the race card at a demonstration ...only 200 of their supporters showed up and a spontaneous counter demo drew over 2000....who booed them into the ground.

A well known German journalist who has worked the US and France said this in an interview yesterday...

When something like this happens in the US there are large crowd gatherings....when it happened in France they sang the Marseillaise extra loud and the streets of Paris were empty and there were snipers on the roof tops....

WHEN it happens in Berlin....Berliners act as they always do in a serious moment...they simply are totally not impressed and go about their daily lives and routine....nothing seems to bring them into a panic...maybe it has to do with their history of being a divided city for over 45 years...and two wars and being bombed into the ground and having to deal with millions of war refugees.....

BTW....there have been absolutely no wave of hotel and travel cancellations to Berlin...if anything they have increased over the last two days....when a German couple not from Berlin were asked why they felt secure after the attack..."your police and fire department acted in such a professional way and even with machine pistols and body armor they are so friendly and smiling"....

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A leading French political scientist Olivier Roy from Paris well known for his studies and research into the radicalization of refugees and radicalization in general for over 20 years ....openly challenged Trump and many US commenters in their statements on refugees and Muslims in general........

There has been not a single recorded attack in Europe that was committed by a true registered refugee and or a member of that family...none whatsoever.....

Did and does IS and even AQ use the human smuggling route to slide their fighters back into Europe yes they did and still do....but these individuals are not the same as a true refugee...

Most of the attacks in at least Germany do/did not require an extensive logistics support group....and were often spontaneous in nature and not well planned out by those individuals radicalized before coming to say Germany...

Or they came out of immigrant families who basically had become German citizens and or were living/working for long periods inside Germany...the same exact thing occurred in France....

NONE of the current IS attacks were carried out by true registered refugees....

THAT is something Trump seriously needs to think about and fully understand in his demands for register all Muslims and ban all Muslims from entering the US.....

ALL he is doing is in fact playing the dog whistles of blatant racism.....AND providing IS and AQ excellent propaganda that proves them correct in their assessments of the West....
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There have been multiple raids late last night against known Salafists....do not think for a moment German security agencies do not know their opponents....
What does this have to do with your insinuation that the Berlin attack was a false flag by a Russian agent attempting to influence European immigration policy?
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What does this have to do with your insinuation that the Berlin attack was a false flag by a Russian agent attempting to influence European immigration policy?
Azor...this whole attack does not make sense nor matches the standard IS TPPs...

While he ran along the edges of the Salafist circles he did not mix that deeply with them....which has made him harder to track right now.....his family stated out of Tunisia he never even prayed as a Muslim....

BUT again Berlin and several German cities where he was residing as he moved constantly has a large number of Russian SVR/FSB agents..do not challenge me on that fact....AND we have seen a reactivation of a number of former GDR MfS agents.......taken back into the FSB/SVR fold....

Go back to my post on the Russian threat issued out of Moscow in March 2016....that threat came from a well respected inner circle advisor of Putin....

Secondly.....Merkel is holding the Russian sanctions literally in place and the Russians know this..remember the US sanctions on Russia have virtually no impact as the US had limited trade with Russia...but not the EU....AND the dropping of those sanctions runs through Merkel.....NOT Trump....

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