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    Moderators, I don't understand why you closed the "Ukraine" thread. There is going on war that should be covered by this site. Am I wrong? I have to find now excuse to post this information here. SBU continues their infowar effort posting intercepted call between cossacks in Donetsk and in their leader in Russia. Leader coordinates cossacks activities in Ukraine and arranges border crossing for resupply, enforcements etc. He deals with kidnapped OSCE observers problem. Film makers have added also Putin's comments about cossacks organisation and their tasks in general.

    KYIV, June 4 /Ukrinform/. The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) has established a direct involvement of Russian Cossack structures to supply weapons to terrorist organizations operating in the east of Ukraine, as well as the kidnapping of OSCE monitors on May 29 this year, according to a video posted on the SBU website.
    Ataman of the “Almighty Don Host" Nikolai Kozitsyn says in the video that all his actions on the detention of the hostages he agrees with the Kremlin.
    "This is a command from the top. From afar, from afar ... Everything is agreed," the SBU press center quoted him as saying.
    http://www.ukrinform.ua/eng/news/sbu...s_video_322410
    Last edited by davidbfpo; 06-05-2014 at 07:12 PM. Reason: PM sent to Kaur a few mins ago to explain. Will post in a moment more and unlock this thread. Dinner first though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaur View Post
    Moderators, I don't understand why you closed the "Ukraine" thread. There is going on war that should be covered by this site. Am I wrong? I have to find now excuse to post this information here. SBU continues their infowar effort posting intercepted call between cossacks in Donetsk and in their leader in Russia. Leader coordinates cossacks activities in Ukraine and arranges border crossing for resupply, enforcements etc. He deals with kidnapped OSCE observers problem. Film makers have added also Putin's comments about cossacks organisation and their tasks in general.



    http://www.ukrinform.ua/eng/news/sbu...s_video_322410
    kaur---moderators closed the thread because of my disputes with mirhond which if the moderators have noticed has not moved to another SWJ thread as he was anyway part of the infowar efforts by the Russians. Somehow they took offense at me calling mirhond a Russian fascist and apparently they did not understand just how the term Russian fascist is even defined in Russia nor how the Russian themselves use the term.

    Americans as a whole have problems with terms like fascists, nationalism, or imperialism.

    Why he picked SWJ is interesting but that the moderators even tolerated him is even more interesting to me.

    The video is critical--- as you know the Cossack was initially being seen by you and myself and yet mirhond tried to sidestep his beard photo being seen back in 2008.

    The war has shifted and you are right ---shifted now to a irregular guerrilla war with Russia flowing weapons and irregulars into the Ukraine daily.

    Russia prides itself in protecting it's borders but somehow cannot "see" KAMAZs painted in Russian military green in convoys of 10 or more?

    The video does in fact counter the Russian infowar statements being carried daily by Interfax and TASS and Putin in his French TV interview yesterday---he "claimed" no Russian military/security forces in the Ukraine---notice he did not say a word about Russian citizen "irregulars" carrying Russian passports with Russian exit border stamps in their passports.

    This is being reported in the last several hours ago out of the Ukraine---so much for Russian Interfax/TASS/Putin statements that they are not "assisting" the irregulars as one attack is coming from the Russian border crossing point itself.

    "The border crossing “Marinivka” is attacked from two sides. Fierce battle continues"



    This Russian infowar campaign is in direct support to their new UW strategy called New Generation Warfare and you are right one would think it is important enough to fully understand as we will be seeing more of it in the coming years.
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    The Ukraine thread was (most recently) closed for reasons other than what Outlaw indicates.
    "On the plains and mountains of the American West, the United States Army had once learned everything there was to learn about hit-and-run tactics and guerrilla warfare."
    T.R. Fehrenbach This Kind of War

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    kaur--

    Russian inforwar bloggers are not only limited to say the Ukraine or here at SWJ.

    Some of us troll the underground dark sites for corporate security reasons and troll for sites selling stolen credit cads by the thousands.

    There is one US internet security type who has a great reputation for "lifting the vale" of these dark sites and often writes articles about them together with screen shots of what he finds.

    He gets "greetings from Russia" comments on specific articles written in the same style of poor English as we witnessed from mirhond.

    Then when other commenters who track his articles similar to SWJ come in with their somewhat direct comments he backs out of the discussion much as mirhond did---same technique, Russian in nature, poor English, attempted disruption of blog site.

    Sound familiar?

    Example:
    His user name below---

    dump me if you can Goodfellas

    June 4, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    violating a ridiculous number of McDonald’s trademarks . Zzz you so funny Brian , like a funny guy from Coming to America .They have golden archers but we have golden gates, they have Big Mac but we have Big Muc .

    i wonder how many laws did you violate Brian ?? i can name at list 10 right now . Do you want to hear them ??

    i give you heads up
    handling of stolen goods is one of them

    Many of the infowar comments are driven by paid Russian bloggers and there has been some comments that some of the Russian gangs are jumping in as money flows for this type of work.

    Just a side comment---some of these dark internet stolen card sites are extremely exclusive, with only a direct personal invite to log in and in Russian.
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    As the fighting it heavy in east Ukraine and more and more actual media reports of Russia citizens fighting in the Ukraine are coming out with photos and physical interviews this particular Interfax release went into play yesterday.

    It has been "mentioned" three previous times over the last five weeks, but did not take off in the global media so I think they are trying it again.

    Following the motto the US has sent private contractors to the Ukraine so it is OK for Russian citizens to be "helping" fellow Russians.

    Notice how it was lanced just prior to Putin arriving in France.

    http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?id=511636

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    Just a link to the BBC article titled Russian propaganda machine 'worse than Soviet Union' .

    Cultural historian and publisher Irina Prokhorova goes further - she calls it "Stalinist", reminiscent of the anti-Western hysteria which marked the grim repressive years of the late 1940s.

    And what worries the liberal intelligentsia is that the aggressive tone is being directed inwards as well.

    Ever since President Putin warned he would not tolerate a fifth column of national traitors in his historic speech on Crimea's annexation in March, Russia's beleaguered opposition has felt under siege.
    Many of the victims of this 'Stalinist' propaganda war are indeed ethnic Russian in Russia speaking Russian and many will still pay a heavy price for Putin's war. A good deal doesn't realize it so far, drunken by Putin's propaganda poision.

    The useful idiots and partly payed Putinfans in the West won't have to pay a similar price, thanks to Western law and democracy. An excellent program by the BBC does a fine job at exploring the history of the term 'useful idiot' and the idiots behind it.

    The phrase 'useful idiots', supposedly Lenin’s, refers to Westerners duped into saying good things about bad regimes.

    In political jargon it was used to describe Soviet sympathisers in Western countries and the attitude of the Soviet government towards them.

    Useful idiots, in a broader sense, refers to Western journalists, travellers and intellectuals who gave their blessing – often with evangelistic fervour – to tyrannies and tyrants, thereby convincing politicians and public that utopias rather than Belsens thrived.
    Keep in mind that some of the 'idiots' and others get of course handsomely payed by the Kremlin to spread it's propaganda like Alexander Rahr. He worked first for American institutions, perhaps the pay (and the honey) was better on the other side...
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    Novaya Gazeta shows couple fake news.

    http://translate.google.com/translat...n&hl=&ie=UTF-8

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