The combat shotgun

[Stan]

“I’ve never seen such as that.” A pump or automatic shotgun, that is. I understand the theoretical advantages, but how does it hold up in practice? I tend to prefer as few pieces as possible in pieces of technology, myself. I tend to see every additional part as one more thing that might break.

As if anyone asked me, of course!

Hey Matt,
Actually, the idea is fairly sound if you consider why the folks at Colt put a "forward assist" on an (ahem) otherwise fully functioning semi and full auto weapon - the M-16 (most of us wondered about that since the early 70s). A semi-automatic shotgun is prone to jams for all the reasons Kiwigrunt posted and having the pump in place is remotely (ass-backwards) the same as having a forward assist. You can either slam the round home (bad idea if time is on your side), or choose to eject the jammed round (real good idea even if time isn't on your side ).

In closing, I wouldn't trade my Winchester 1200 for any of those fancy Italian or Russian works of art. If it ain't broke....

[Hippofeet]

I would not want a shotgun as my primary. Although there are shotguns that take magazines, ammunition management and reload speed would suck. Now, searching small boats, or small rooms with lots of people, ok, but I would think a sub gun would do the job better. I have only trained a few times in shoot houses, but it was enough to give me the opinion that a shotgun is big and heavy, and shells go all over when I get freaked out or excited, when I really just want them to go in the gun. I need to learn to load without flipping it over lol. Too bad about flechette rounds. Then, you would have something. I could not manage differentiating between lethal and less than, under stress. I mean, would you look down at the round? only have those rounds in certain loops on your gear? It gives me the creepy crawlies.

[ganulv]

Hey Matt,
Actually, the idea is fairly sound if you consider why the folks at Colt put a "forward assist" on an (ahem) otherwise fully functioning semi and full auto weapon - the M-16 (most of us wondered about that since the early 70s). A semi-automatic shotgun is prone to jams for all the reasons Kiwigrunt posted and having the pump in place is remotely (ass-backwards) the same as having a forward assist. You can either slam the round home (bad idea if time is on your side), or choose to eject the jammed round (real good idea even if time isn't on your side ).

My original thought was that rolling two functions into one gun (a semi-auto for heavy loads and a pump for less lethal loads) could lead to unfortunate situations both ways. But it does make sense to think of it as a semi-auto that’s easier to clear.

You could also deal with the rate of fire vs. jamming dialectic by buying up some Ithaca 37s. Though I assume a different set of unfortunate situations might ensue.

[Stan]

You could also deal with the rate of fire vs. jamming dialectic by buying up some Ithaca 37s. Though I assume a different set of unfortunate situations might ensue.

At Aberdeen they challenged us to a skeet competition against the MPs on base, and the folks with over and under shotguns were less fatigued and had near perfect 25 target matches.

The 8-shot model 37 is essentially a Winchester 1200 minus the bayonet mount and a very respectable piece of American Iron.

The often mistaken myth about free recoil reduction. Some just get a dependable and very heavy weapon (approx. 10% reduction in recoil) and then there are others who cut the stock down and drill holes into every available area of the barrel and choke, effectively reducing the overall weight of the weapons and the felt recoil is in fact worse

[Surferbeetle]

The often mistaken myth about free recoil reduction. Some just get a dependable and very heavy weapon (approx. 10% reduction in recoil) and then there are others who cut the stock down and drill holes into every available area of the barrel and choke, effectively reducing the overall weight of the weapons and the felt recoil is in fact worse

Stan!

FPSRussia and the AA-12 Fully Automatic Shotgun on the YouTube

[Stan]

Stan!

FPSRussia and the AA-12 Fully Automatic Shotgun on the YouTube

Hey Steve,

"Keep this mind, don't try this at home... I'm a professional Russian!"

I was almost enjoying the video til he tried to cut the door in half and said that sierra

I especially enjoyed the demonstration on how to install the barrel choke

I believe WE have already had that patent design since 1898 however

John Moses Browning, the legendary American gun designer, invented the first practical self-loading shotgun in 1898. It must be noted, that at the time the autoloading shotgun was something of absolute novelty, and the task of designing such gun was severely complicated by the fact that the switch over from black powder to smokeless ammunition was well under way, and general quality of shotgun ammunition was rather uneven,to say the least. Nevertheless, Browning managed to make his prototype model work, and work well.