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    Washington Post Disgracefully Promotes a McCarthyite Blacklist From a New, Hidden, and Very Shady Group
    Ben Norton, Glenn Greenwald

    November 26 2016, 1:17#p.m.
    https://theintercept.com/2016/11/26/...y-shady-group/

    The Washington Post on Thursday night#promoted the claims of a new, shadowy organization that smears dozens of#U.S.#news sites that are critical of U.S. foreign policy as being “routine peddlers of Russian propaganda.” The article#by reporter Craig Timberg – headlined “Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say” – cites a report by a new, anonymous#website calling itself “PropOrNot,” which claims that millions of Americans have been deceived this year in a massive Russian “misinformation campaign.”
    The group’s list of Russian disinformation outlets#includes WikiLeaks and the Drudge Report, as well as Clinton-critical left-wing#websites such as Truthout, Black Agenda Report, Truthdig and Naked Capitalism, as well as libertarian venues#such as Antiwar.com and the Ron Paul Institute.
    This Post report#was one of the most widely circulated political news articles on social media over the last 48 hours, with dozens, perhaps hundreds, of U.S. journalists and pundits with large platforms hailing it as an#earth-shattering exposé. It was the most-read piece on the entire Post website after it was published on Friday.
    Yet the article is rife with obviously reckless and unproven allegations, and fundamentally shaped by shoddy, slothful journalistic tactics. It was not surprising to learn that, as BuzzFeed’s Sheera Frenkel noted,#“a lot of reporters passed on this story.” Its huge flaws are self-evident. But the Post gleefully ran with it and then promoted it aggressively, led by its Executive Editor Marty Baron
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamG View Post
    Washington Post Disgracefully Promotes a McCarthyite Blacklist From a New, Hidden, and Very Shady Group
    Ben Norton, Glenn Greenwald

    November 26 2016, 1:17#p.m.
    https://theintercept.com/2016/11/26/...y-shady-group/
    Interesting the same Greenwald associated directly with WikiLeaks and the Snowdon releases who we now fully understand has worked with the Russian FSB/SVR.....

    Of the long list of links/accounts associated with this list there has been an interesting debate between social media open source analysts and the group that released the article....

    NOT an actual debate on the accounts which in 99% of the cases...ACTUALLY did actively push "fake news" but a debate over methodology on how they decided an account drove "fake news".........

    So when we discuss articles like this one needs to fully understand the background chatter and the players like Greenwood and where he sits in relationship to both WikiLeaks and Snowdon.....and the Russian SVR/FSB....

    IF you had been tracking the Ukrainian thread you would have seen twitter network link diagrams done by Global Voices on how the proRussian twitter bots and accounts were chatting with each other and how they were driven...a total of over six very interesting charts if one took the time to read them...

    The exact same concept seen by US IT types when dealing with the proTrump bot network being driven out of Macedonia which accounted for ONE THIRD of all proTrump social media comments...paid for by a Russian company.....

    AND that is not chump change in the social media world.....ONE THIRD....of the total volume

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    IF you had been tracking the Ukrainian thread...
    I gotta ask, is your tone argumentative?

    This onion is even beginning to unpeel and quite frankly, given the revelations of the LA Times/UCLA 2016 polls I'm thinking all the social media hubaloo had little effect on those who voted for Trump/against Clinton. *Shrug*
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    Notable in that the source is the WaPo, see bold

    Considering that the American mainstream media generated most of the Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt in this situation the Russians seem to have effectively gotten their target to do the heavy lifting.

    Recently, New York magazine#set the Internet on fire with a piece speculating that hacked voting machines may have tipped November’s presidential election.
    This is dangerous, and not just because there’s no evidence that Russia “stole the election.” Talking about these voting machines distracts us from what such speculation represents: the success of a broader Russian strategy to weaken Americans’ trust in democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamG View Post
    I gotta ask, is your tone argumentative?

    This onion is even beginning to unpeel and quite frankly, given the revelations of the LA Times/UCLA 2016 polls I'm thinking all the social media hubaloo had little effect on those who voted for Trump/against Clinton. *Shrug*
    Argumentative...question mark...maybe but I am one after two long years of Russian info warfare and hacking of US groups and federal government ....that does believe in the power of social media to mobilize voters.....when I see the millions of followers of the alt right social media sites...and their comments on B in the millions and when I hear in direct MSM interviews that many Trump voters get their information from social media and trump's on use of twitter....

    REMEMBERING that a 1/3rd of all proTrump Twitter and FB comments came from Macedonia and that 70% of all anti Ukraine/proSyrian comments come right now from a single Russian troll company in St. Petersburg.....

    Draw your own conclusions.....

    But if I was you I would give it some serious thought....

    I could take the time do a single link analysis of one single fake story and how it worked it's way from St. Petersburg...through four right wing US sites..then onto Brietbart.com and then to Fox and then to CNN....

    Eye opener....

    BUT one must thoroughly understand the 6Ds of propaganda....and or disinformation driven by all these days....and disinformation driven by the US WH as well....

    Distort....Distract....Dismay...Dismiss ALL designed to create Doubt and Distrust......

    If everyone took the time to view and read articles using the above 6Ds ...we would be a lot better off these days....and after reading ask the question...WHAT is the underlying narrative and WHY....
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