The new Libya: various aspects

[davidbfpo]

Updated

The short thread 'Benghazi and Libya's Jihadist Minority' has been merged into this main Libya thread.

[davidbfpo]

From the BBC:

At least four people have been killed in the Libyan city of Benghazi after military police and protesters took over militia bases. The violence followed a day of protests by tens of thousands of citizens demanding an end to the armed groups. The bases include the HQ of the Islamist group Ansar al-Sharia, suspected of involvement in an attack on the US consulate in the city.....Earlier, some 30,000 protesters marched through Benghazi calling for an end to the armed groups and a return to the rule of law.

Link:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19680785 and slightly different, more detail:http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa...259561409.html

Will this be well covered by the US media?

[Peter Dow]

Check out my "My plan for a secure diplomatic military base for Libya" post in my "Diplomatic security after terrorists kill US Ambassador in Benghazi, Libya" thread in the "Government Agencies & Officials" forum of this SWC forums.

[tequila]

Originally Posted by davidbfpo

From the BBC:

Will this be well covered by the US media?

Were any Americans killed?

[davidbfpo]

Originally Posted by tequila

Were any Americans killed?

No, point taken though on how editors regulate what we the audience see.

Amidst all the tomes, documents and more on counter-radicalisation, even CT, the West refers to local action being best. So when it happens, as it has in Benghazi, it should be reported. No, it is not an 'awakening'. It is a good sign for Libya and others.

[Steve Blair]

Originally Posted by tequila

Were any Americans killed?

It's an election year. Precious little will be well-covered until sometime in December (if then).

[tequila]

Amidst all the tomes, documents and more on counter-radicalisation, even CT, the West refers to local action being best. So when it happens, as it has in Benghazi, it should be reported. No, it is not an 'awakening'. It is a good sign for Libya and others.

I fully agree, and I think that this is a relatively good sign, though obviously follow-through is necessary. Hopefully the Libyan government can mobilize this into real support for a genuine national army.

[carl]

Originally Posted by davidbfpo

Will this be well covered by the US media?

Well covered? I don't know but it was covered and you could read about it in the local paper, here anyway. That is pretty good for something that happened where no Americans were killed.

[Bill Moore]

http://rt.com/news/bani-walid-libya-violence-251/

'Libyan humanitarian catastrophe ignored by Western media'

RT: There's yet been no international response to the fact that civilians are being killed in Bani Walid, especially from those states that backed the revolution in Libya a year ago. Why is that?

Neil Clark: Let’s think back to February 2011. We couldn’t pick up a newspaper in the UK or the US or put on the BBC or CNN without hearing about what was going on in Libya. The Humanitarian disaster, we were told Colonel Gaddafi’s forces were killing lots of people, there were dangers of a massive massacre in Benghazi, and because of that we went to war…that was the reason for war. And today, the situation is much worse. We’ve got a humanitarian catastrophe taking place. The number of people killed since NATO intervened has gone up by ten to twenty times. We’ve got massacres going on at the moment and there’s complete silence here in the UK and in the US.

This should be informative to all those who want to help the "freedom fighters" in Syria. Civil Wars don't just end, revenge will be extracted for a long time afterwards. It is likely more people are being killed after Qadaffi was killed than during the rebellion.

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2012/10/199742.htm

Libya: U.S. State Department Daily Press Briefing: Libya

This is a very interesting exchange between a Russian journalist the State Department spokesperson. If it was a debate I would give the Russian the win, but more importantly it appears we suppressing more bad news coming out of Libya. Since the info comes from a .gov site we should be able to cut and paste more than two paragraphs without copy right violation issues.

QUESTION: The story in Libya and Bani Walid continues to grow in its cruel brutality. And the matter at hand is a systematic slaughter of Bani Walid’s population by what used to be anti-Qadhafi rebels for not towing the party line and not supporting Libya’s new rule and government quickly enough and with quite open heart. Only yesterday, on Wednesday, 600 local residents --

MS. NULAND: Is there a question here, or is this a political statement that you’re making here in the briefing room?

QUESTION: No, no, just a – I wondering, 600 people, local resident, were allegedly killed yesterday --

MS. NULAND: Can you tell me what news organization you’re from?

QUESTION: -- and why this – and local appealing for the international aid and an international call, but why this call? Why these massacre completely ignored by the Western community and the – particularly by the U.S.?

MS. NULAND: Where are you from, please? What news organization?

QUESTION: Vera Volokhonovich, RT.

MS. NULAND: From Russian TV.

QUESTION: Russia. Yeah. Yeah.

MS. NULAND: Well, first of all, we haven’t ignored this at all. We talked about it a number of times here, and we’ve spoken about it very clearly. We have been urging restraint on all sides, respect for human rights and humanitarian law. We’ve been calling on Libyan authorities and rebel groups to provide access for humanitarian organizations who are trying to provide humanitarian assistance. And frankly, we can’t confirm any of these press reporting of what is actually ongoing there, but we are calling on all sides to exercise restraint.

QUESTION: But why Washington blocked – why did Washington block the statement – draft statement proposed by Russia for the United Nations Security Council resolution, which called for a peaceful solution for this conflict?

MS. NULAND: Well, I can’t speak to what may be going on at USUN. I’m not aware of what the Russian statement might have been. I will send you up to our people in New York to discuss that. But our position on this is absolutely clear: We support the efforts of the Libyan Government to get control of militias and to provide security throughout the country, including in Bani Walid, and to do so in a way that is respectful of the human rights of all citizens, and allows humanitarian organizations to get in. So we are watching this situation very closely.